| 2024-10-26 00:00:33 +0200 | <Zer000> | Yeah it still crashes instead of catching my exception. I really don't know what I'm doing when it comes to this laziness stuff but I'll try to think where there could be a thunk |
| 2024-10-26 00:01:31 +0200 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: JuanDaugherty) |
| 2024-10-26 00:01:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 00:04:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's a list, there's a thunk at every index 🙂 |
| 2024-10-26 00:04:58 +0200 | vglfr | (~vglfr@2607:fb90:ea85:c41e:ad3:f757:9a54:48e7) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-26 00:05:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Zer000: evaluating e.g. a pair to WHNF does not evaluate the components of the pair to WHNF |
| 2024-10-26 00:05:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | make sure you really evaluate all you need to evaluate |
| 2024-10-26 00:05:41 +0200 | <Zer000> | So I gotta go deeper? |
| 2024-10-26 00:05:44 +0200 | <Zer000> | OK |
| 2024-10-26 00:05:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Control.Deepseq.rnf in extreme cases |
| 2024-10-26 00:06:10 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (that's the right module I think?) |
| 2024-10-26 00:06:17 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 00:06:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | just make sure it doesn't have any bottoms or cycles |
| 2024-10-26 00:06:47 +0200 | <mauke> | did you look at the code? |
| 2024-10-26 00:06:52 +0200 | <mauke> | the list is [1, 2, 3] |
| 2024-10-26 00:07:28 +0200 | <Zer000> | mauke, no but that example code DOES work, my actual code does not |
| 2024-10-26 00:07:34 +0200 | <Zer000> | and the list is built using other pure functions |
| 2024-10-26 00:08:11 +0200 | <Zer000> | I only posted that snippet to say that tryAny from safe-exceptions can catch that negative index exception |
| 2024-10-26 00:08:15 +0200 | <mauke> | oh, sorry. I confused myself |
| 2024-10-26 00:08:33 +0200 | <mauke> | btw, there is displayException |
| 2024-10-26 00:09:25 +0200 | <Zer000> | how do you even use rnf geekosaur? It results in () always |
| 2024-10-26 00:09:29 +0200 | <mauke> | which is mostly unrelated, but can be used instead of show |
| 2024-10-26 00:09:40 +0200 | <Zer000> | oh cool |
| 2024-10-26 00:09:59 +0200 | <mauke> | evaluate (rnf x) |
| 2024-10-26 00:11:14 +0200 | <monochrom> | it results in exception if there is an exception. |
| 2024-10-26 00:11:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or ``rnf x `seq` y`` |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:25 +0200 | <mauke> | > [1, 2, 3, error "an exception has occurred", 5] `seq` "all good" |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:26 +0200 | <lambdabot> | "all good" |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:31 +0200 | <mauke> | > rnf [1, 2, 3, error "an exception has occurred", 5] `seq` "all good" |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:32 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: Variable not in scope: rnf :: [a1] -> a0 |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:36 +0200 | <mauke> | :-( |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:45 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:56 +0200 | <mauke> | @let import Control.DeepSeq |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:57 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Defined. |
| 2024-10-26 00:13:59 +0200 | <mauke> | > rnf [1, 2, 3, error "an exception has occurred", 5] `seq` "all good" |
| 2024-10-26 00:14:00 +0200 | <lambdabot> | "*Exception: an exception has occurred |
| 2024-10-26 00:15:09 +0200 | <Zer000> | I see, so you just use it on a separate line in an IO context to see if everything is ok |
| 2024-10-26 00:15:24 +0200 | <Zer000> | thanks! |
| 2024-10-26 00:17:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it should work even if x and y are the same thing (in my example) |
| 2024-10-26 00:18:02 +0200 | vglfr | (~vglfr@c-73-250-25-113.hsd1.md.comcast.net) vglfr |
| 2024-10-26 00:18:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | whereas ``x `seq` x`` is a non-sequitur |
| 2024-10-26 00:18:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ("force `x` to WHNF when `x` is forced to WHNF") |
| 2024-10-26 00:19:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 00:19:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | I'll finish when I finish. :) |
| 2024-10-26 00:22:10 +0200 | <Zer000> | I had a function that was defined in point-free-style and when I made everything there explicit (and extra bangs just in case) it seemed to work. |
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| 2024-10-26 03:02:20 +0200 | <habib> | hey, does anyone know if it's possible to pass key values with spaces in to hadrian when building ghc? no matter how i quote or escape i can't seem to do it, and i've even been reading the hadrian source code, and it seems it's impossible; please tell me i'm missing something, because i could really do with this to fix a problem with a cross-compile build on openbsd |
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| 2024-10-26 07:38:53 +0200 | <kqr> | Leary, Thanks. That is too complicated. I'm working on a library that will be interfacing with a main project backed by Persistent. However, I want the library to be relatively agnostic of where it is plugged in, i.e. it should not depend on the main project. I was imagining a newtype wrapper around something generic like a ByteString to contain references to entities in the main project, to avoid |
| 2024-10-26 07:38:55 +0200 | <kqr> | what I fear would become complicated generics if I just keep that type unconstrained. I want relatively new Haskell programmers to be able to work on the library in a pinch. |
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| 2024-10-26 11:04:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> lambdabot> 1+2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:29 +0200 | <Rembane> | > 1 + 2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:30 +0200 | <lambdabot> | 3 |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:36 +0200 | <Rembane> | See if that works better |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:36 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> ahh |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:54 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> > Just "hi" |
| 2024-10-26 11:04:56 +0200 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2024-10-26 11:05:08 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> > Just 2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:05:30 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> > 1 + 2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:06:05 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> hmm maybe it doesn't work through matrix |
| 2024-10-26 11:06:54 +0200 | <Rembane> | That might be the case, because the bridge adds your nick before > and that makes everything confusing for the bot |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:05 +0200 | ash3en1 | (~Thunderbi@146.70.124.222) ash3en |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:17 +0200 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:18 +0200 | ash3en1 | ash3en |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> makes sense ha |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:33 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> btw is this more active than the matrix? |
| 2024-10-26 11:07:50 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 11:08:09 +0200 | Guest38 | (~Guest38@58.182.144.85) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2024-10-26 11:08:46 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | tux314159: try putting the lambdabot command on the second line of your message |
| 2024-10-26 11:08:56 +0200 | <Rembane> | I don't know since I'm not in the matrix, but this is a reasonably active IRC channel. |
| 2024-10-26 11:08:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> > 1 + 2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:09:04 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the first line needs to be non-empty :) |
| 2024-10-26 11:09:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> x |
| 2024-10-26 11:09:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | > 1 + 2 |
| 2024-10-26 11:09:23 +0200 | <lambdabot> | 3 |
| 2024-10-26 11:09:37 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> oh wow thanks xD |
| 2024-10-26 11:10:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | tux314159: for an idea of activity, there are logs https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell |
| 2024-10-26 11:10:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> think I'll ask here instead then - |
| 2024-10-26 11:10:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | Hmm is there any reason the MonadFail instance for ExceptT has `fail = ExceptT . fail`? Seems a bit odd, since the whole point of exceptT is to handle these, not bubble them up to the next monad |
| 2024-10-26 11:11:04 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ExceptT doesn't necessarily have String as the first component |
| 2024-10-26 11:11:16 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | similarly Either doesn't have the MonadFail instance you might expect |
| 2024-10-26 11:11:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (indeed, it has none) |
| 2024-10-26 11:12:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I think for Either the motivation is "there are arguments for an against a MonadFail instance for `Either String a`, so in dispute, let's do nothing" |
| 2024-10-26 11:12:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 11:12:56 +0200 | <Rembane> | \o/ Orphan instances ftw! \o/ |
| 2024-10-26 11:12:57 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | for ExceptT, perhaps the reasoning is "ExceptT is for explicit exceptions, and the fail from MonadFail is called also in perhaps unintended situations like partial pattern matches" |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:26 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> actually that's precisely my usecase xD |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:27 +0200 | <Rembane> | MonadFail is very good for making do-notation more succinct when only the happy flow is cared about |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:29 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | % :t \m -> do { Nothing <- m; return "ok" } |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:29 +0200 | <yahb2> | \m -> do { Nothing <- m; return "ok" } ; :: MonadFail m => m (Maybe a) -> m String |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:51 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> instance Monad m => MonadFail (ExceptT String m) where |
| 2024-10-26 11:13:51 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/gwoFNkeSYhMaeyAOqJyRqQGR/gklQIOtpBMU (3 lines) |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:08 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> but it's more specific so... can I just enable OverlappingInstances xD |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | make your own newtype around ExceptT? |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:14 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:29 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | making newtypes around the monads from transformers/mtl is what people generally recommend anyway |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> oh I tried that but it wants me to go ahead and define functor/appl/monad for my wrapper and it seems super high-effort for something os simple |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | i.e. write your own newtype that internally uses the convenience of mtl stuff, and then write your app in terms of that newtype |
| 2024-10-26 11:14:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | separate implementation from interface |
| 2024-10-26 11:15:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | that's what you have -XGeneralizedNewtypeDeriving for |
| 2024-10-26 11:15:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | deriving (Functor, Applicative, Monad) |
| 2024-10-26 11:15:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> "couldn't eta reduce enough" or something |
| 2024-10-26 11:15:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | what is your newtype precisely? |
| 2024-10-26 11:15:46 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it indeed needs to be in the appropriate form |
| 2024-10-26 11:16:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/newtype_deriving.html#generalising-… , for reference |
| 2024-10-26 11:17:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> oh I was trying `newtype ExceptT' e m a = ExceptT' { runExceptT' :: m (Either e a) } deriving (Functor, Applicative, Monad)` but I guess that's not the correct form? |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:00 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah, the idea is that you put the existing transformers _inside_ your newtype |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:17 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | `newtype App e a = App (ExceptT e IO a)` or something |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:29 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | write your full stack, then put _that_ inside the newtype |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the 'a' that is the last type variable of 'App' must also be the last type variable in the type of the field |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:53 +0200 | <Leary> | Or refer to the transformers with DerivingVia. Which gives you better type roles too. |
| 2024-10-26 11:18:54 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (in yours, it is not because it's inside an application to 'm') |
| 2024-10-26 11:19:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | hm, right |
| 2024-10-26 11:19:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | deriving (Functor, Applicative, Monad) via (ExceptT e m a) |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:04 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:09 +0200 | <Leary> | via ExceptT e m |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:09 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> I see, this thing works when the instances are equivalent when you peel back the newtype cosntructor? |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it works when your newtype is _coercible_ (as in `Data.Coerce`) to the thing you put after `via` |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | so yes, the same after peeling off newtype constructors |
| 2024-10-26 11:20:58 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-10-26 11:21:44 +0200 | tomsmeding | is afk for a while |
| 2024-10-26 11:24:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> okay, thanks. but then this kind of runs into the dreaded n^2 instances issue with mtl doesn't it, I have to add every constraint I want to into the deriving |
| 2024-10-26 11:24:33 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2024-10-26 11:24:42 +0200 | ash3en1 | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
| 2024-10-26 11:25:40 +0200 | <Leary> | Not really. Just pull through whatever ExceptT has that you need. |
| 2024-10-26 11:27:08 +0200 | ash3en1 | ash3en |
| 2024-10-26 11:27:54 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-26 11:30:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> hooray it works :D question though, would overlappinginstances have been acceptable in that case? since ExceptT String m a is more specific that ExceptT e m a |
| 2024-10-26 11:30:52 +0200 | Square | (~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 11:34:41 +0200 | <Leary> | More specific than what? I thought the issue was that there /was/ no `instance MonadFail (ExceptT _ _)`. You should only have gotten an orphan instance warning. |
| 2024-10-26 11:35:08 +0200 | <Leary> | Oh, wait, no. |
| 2024-10-26 11:35:25 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 11:35:30 +0200 | <Leary> | Well, I guess you could get away with that. |
| 2024-10-26 11:36:09 +0200 | <Leary> | But it's better not to tangle with overlapping instances without a good reason. |
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| 2024-10-26 12:02:02 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <tux314159> alright then I will hold my temptation :p |
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| 2024-10-26 12:38:33 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | writing orphan instances and overlapping instances like that is fine if you're writing an application, and you are the one to deal with the consequences if things turn out to be awkward |
| 2024-10-26 12:39:09 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | if you're writing a library, then orphan instances are a bad idea in general; overlapping instances can be fine if you carefully ensure that consumers won't get inconvenienced by them |
| 2024-10-26 12:39:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | e.g. overlapping instances for your own classes are probably fine |
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| 2024-10-26 13:44:49 +0200 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-26 13:46:14 +0200 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2024-10-26 13:49:16 +0200 | ss4 | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
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| 2024-10-26 13:52:59 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-26 13:54:10 +0200 | st_aldini1 | (~Thunderbi@2605:a601:a07c:af00:edd4:453a:4c88:19a0) st_aldini |
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| 2024-10-26 14:08:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-26 14:22:40 +0200 | Everything | (~Everythin@178-133-157-238.mobile.vf-ua.net) Everything |
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| 2024-10-26 14:38:26 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-26 15:03:00 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@user/gentauro) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-10-26 15:12:52 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-26 15:26:54 +0200 | Everything | (~Everythin@178-133-157-238.mobile.vf-ua.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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| 2024-10-26 15:29:50 +0200 | ss4 | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Quit: Leaving) |
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| 2024-10-26 15:38:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-26 16:02:36 +0200 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-10-26 16:15:38 +0200 | fireking04 | (~user@114-24-21-223.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) (Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.4)) |
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