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2026-01-05 01:04:02 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> sm: what is sad about a stable and well working GHC release?
2026-01-05 01:04:40 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Should we switch to 9.8 which is abandoned or to 9.10 which has two minor broken releases (including the last one)?
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2026-01-05 01:05:17 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> 'recommended' isn't for people who want to follow the latest releases.
2026-01-05 01:06:57 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Sorry, 9.12 is the one that's broken... I'm starting to mix up all the broken releases
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2026-01-05 01:10:11 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> @maerwald that's a fine thing of course. I acknowledged the no doubt excellent reasons in the linked discussion with my thumbs up. I called it sad mainly because as an experienced haskeller I expect many difficulties building current projects or using tools, and many known limitations, with those older ghc versions.
2026-01-05 01:10:15 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> 9.6 is documented as suitable for use: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/GHC-status
2026-01-05 01:10:41 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> sm: What difficulties?
2026-01-05 01:12:15 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> i don't have a list handy. But in my time as a maintainer and packager I've worked around a ton of ghc version and platform specific bugs or limitations
2026-01-05 01:14:21 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> What limitations?
2026-01-05 01:14:38 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Why is 9.6 more limited than 9.10?
2026-01-05 01:15:58 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> I did not prepare a list in advance of this chat have forgotten them for the moment. I could go digging in my issue tracker but it's not important
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2026-01-05 01:19:24 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> If you make this claim then I think it's important
2026-01-05 01:20:18 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> I mean, I would make the effort if you are truly considering bumping the recommendation. I assume you've seen them all though and will bump when you judge best
2026-01-05 01:20:30 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> My experience in 10 years of Haskell shows that the difficulties and limitations lie within NEW GHC versions.
2026-01-05 01:20:41 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> There's a whole github repo dedicated to it
2026-01-05 01:21:07 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> of course those exist too
2026-01-05 01:21:23 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> https://github.com/tomjaguarpaw/tilapia
2026-01-05 01:21:34 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> And tooling works fine with 9.6
2026-01-05 01:21:46 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> It doesn't work as fine with new GHC versions
2026-01-05 01:21:50 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> That's a fact
2026-01-05 01:22:24 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> So I think your claim is wrong
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2026-01-05 01:23:27 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> fair enough, I won't argue with you
2026-01-05 01:25:16 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> and as always, thank you for your work, it's appreciated
2026-01-05 01:27:36 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> But going forward, GHCup will follow GHCs official LTS releases most likely
2026-01-05 01:27:53 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Once they've matured, that is
2026-01-05 01:28:11 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> that'll be great, I'm looking forward to it
2026-01-05 01:28:52 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> An LTS release is decided beforehand with no knowledge about its quality. So we'll probably wait until the micro version is at 3 or higher
2026-01-05 01:30:35 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> or if it's so good there's no minor release for a year, you might make an exception ?
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2026-01-05 01:32:15 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> rather unlikely I suppose
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2026-01-05 02:20:37 +0100 <oats> why does so much code in base and ghc use `case` for binding instead of `let` or `where`? like here: https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1401.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Arr.html#n…
2026-01-05 02:21:14 +0100 <c_wraith> let/where create a thunk when they match on a pattern. case forces evaluation.
2026-01-05 02:21:38 +0100 <c_wraith> > let Just x = Nothing in ()
2026-01-05 02:21:38 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-05 02:22:25 +0100 <c_wraith> huh. lambdabot isn't in here right now
2026-01-05 02:22:53 +0100 <EvanR> let x = whatever in y, a thunk makes sense
2026-01-05 02:23:15 +0100 <EvanR> but let Pattern x y z = hopefullyPattern in e ?
2026-01-05 02:23:30 +0100 <EvanR> doesn't immediately evaluate?
2026-01-05 02:23:32 +0100 <c_wraith> Well, anyway. (let Just x = Nothing in ()) evaluates to (). (case Nothing of Just x -> ()) is a pattern match error.
2026-01-05 02:24:09 +0100 <EvanR> % let Just x = Nothing in ()
2026-01-05 02:24:09 +0100 <yahb2> <interactive>:153:5: warning: [GHC-53633] [-Woverlapping-patterns] ; Pattern match is redundant ; In a pattern binding: Just x = ... ; ; ()
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2026-01-05 02:24:57 +0100 <c_wraith> EvanR: Irrefutable matches just create thunks. and in a let/where, matches are irrefutable by default.
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2026-01-05 02:26:26 +0100 <EvanR> wow
2026-01-05 02:27:34 +0100 <c_wraith> > case undefined of ~(a, b) -> () -- you can use ~ to make a match in a case irrefutable
2026-01-05 02:27:35 +0100 <lambdabot> ()
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2026-01-05 02:28:00 +0100 <oats> % case undefined of (a,b) -> ()
2026-01-05 02:28:00 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; ; HasCallStack backtrace: ; undefined, called at <interactive>:155:6 in interactive:Ghci16
2026-01-05 02:28:11 +0100 <int-e> it probably got blocked by +r
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2026-01-05 02:28:40 +0100 <int-e> (lamdbabot was perfectly alive, just not joined here)
2026-01-05 02:28:50 +0100 <c_wraith> int-e: ah, you're still running lambdabot? I wasn't sure.
2026-01-05 02:29:09 +0100 <oats> and irrefutable patterns are lazy?
2026-01-05 02:29:40 +0100 <oats> % case undefined of ~(a,b) -> b
2026-01-05 02:29:40 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; ; HasCallStack backtrace: ; undefined, called at <interactive>:157:6 in interactive:Ghci16
2026-01-05 02:29:49 +0100 <oats> t'would appear
2026-01-05 02:29:56 +0100 <c_wraith> Yeah. "irrefutable" is a slightly weird way of saying "trust the programmer, you don't need to check this immediately"
2026-01-05 02:30:33 +0100 <int-e> c_wraith: yes
2026-01-05 02:31:47 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> How can you make patterns in let and where refutable?
2026-01-05 02:31:49 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Like you said they're irrefutable "by default"
2026-01-05 02:32:14 +0100 <c_wraith> loonycyborg: You need the BangPatterns extension, then you mark the match with !
2026-01-05 02:33:17 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Ah makes sense I guess
2026-01-05 02:33:33 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> and what happens in case of non-exhaustive match at runtime?
2026-01-05 02:33:45 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Same thing as usual?
2026-01-05 02:34:02 +0100 <c_wraith> yeah, just the usual error about a pattern match failure
2026-01-05 02:34:16 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Sometimes should be converted into "fail"
2026-01-05 02:34:30 +0100 <c_wraith> If it's on the left side of <- in a do block, yes
2026-01-05 02:34:47 +0100 <oats> %let Just x = (Nothing :: Maybe Int) in x
2026-01-05 02:35:01 +0100 <oats> % let Just x = (Nothing :: Maybe Int) in x
2026-01-05 02:35:01 +0100 <yahb2> <interactive>:159:5: warning: [GHC-53633] [-Woverlapping-patterns] ; Pattern match is redundant ; In a pattern binding: Just x = ... ; ; *** Exception: <interactive>:159:5-35: Non-exhausti...
2026-01-05 02:35:13 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> but ye, irrefutable and lazy are connected.
2026-01-05 02:37:06 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Those seem to be really different things though, so it smells like some theoretical insight here could be made..
2026-01-05 02:37:12 +0100 <int-e> oats: as recently as GHC 8.8.4, ghc would choke on `let i = 1#` (with or without bang)
2026-01-05 02:37:25 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-05 02:38:10 +0100 <c_wraith> there are also things like GADT matching, where GHC just won't compile code that matches a GADT constructor in a let/where
2026-01-05 02:38:11 +0100 <int-e> So up to that point, `case` was the only way to do this. `case` is also clearer about the order of operations.
2026-01-05 02:38:49 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> case is one of few constructs that aren't syntactic sugar for something else.
2026-01-05 02:39:13 +0100 <oats> % do { x <- [1..10]; if (x == 5) then fail "bleh" else pure (); pure x }
2026-01-05 02:39:13 +0100 <yahb2> [1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10]
2026-01-05 02:40:33 +0100 <oats> % do { Just x <- [Just 1, Nothing]; pure x }
2026-01-05 02:40:33 +0100 <yahb2> [1]
2026-01-05 02:41:05 +0100 <oats> wonder what that desugars to
2026-01-05 02:41:31 +0100 <c_wraith> the report actually specifies that.
2026-01-05 02:41:37 +0100 <int-e> @undo do { Just x <- [Just 1, Nothing]; pure x }
2026-01-05 02:41:37 +0100 <lambdabot> [Just 1, Nothing] >>= \ a -> case a of { Just x -> pure x; _ -> fail ""}
2026-01-05 02:41:45 +0100 <oats> int-e: I'm not super clear on #, that's an unboxed integer right?
2026-01-05 02:42:25 +0100 <Axman6> and fail str = [] for []
2026-01-05 02:42:34 +0100 <oats> @undo [x | Just x <- [Just 1, Nothing] ]
2026-01-05 02:42:34 +0100 <lambdabot> concatMap (\ a -> case a of { Just x -> [x]; _ -> []}) [Just 1, Nothing]
2026-01-05 02:42:43 +0100 <int-e> oats: Int (machine word sized), yes.
2026-01-05 02:42:53 +0100 <oats> interesting, I thought list comprehensions were special in some way
2026-01-05 02:42:56 +0100 <oats> don't remember who told me that
2026-01-05 02:43:22 +0100 <c_wraith> You don't have to write pure. :)
2026-01-05 02:43:53 +0100 <oats> ?
2026-01-05 02:43:57 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-05 02:44:16 +0100 <c_wraith> [ x | x <- foo ] as opposed to do { x <- foo ; pure x }
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2026-01-05 02:45:00 +0100 <oats> oh I was just trying out desugaring list comprehensions, because I thought I remembered someone telling me they were special to ghc in some way
2026-01-05 02:45:37 +0100 <c_wraith> technically they are, but not in a way that influences semantics. There are some performance optimizations.
2026-01-05 02:46:10 +0100 <c_wraith> and @undo doesn't give you what GHC does. It is an independent reimplementation of the rules from the Haskell report.
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2026-01-05 02:46:51 +0100 <oats> gotcha, thanks
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2026-01-05 08:43:04 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) peterbecich
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2026-01-05 08:46:26 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> this is really interesting as an intellectual exercise
2026-01-05 08:48:54 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> i'm currently trying to specify a program as a type, such that the type of this value can be generated by AI; the initial plan is to bootstrap itself, by creating a harness that can, given a spec file, be able to use AI to generate a program that satisfies the type&test constraints
2026-01-05 08:49:37 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> ironically it feels like a free monad interpreter is the only sane way to actually type it, because i don't want the AI generating arbitrary effects
2026-01-05 08:56:35 +0100chele(~chele@user/chele) chele
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2026-01-05 09:07:26 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-05 09:28:32 +0100 <merijn> Liamzee: That sounds like you're just trying to reinvent Epigram but with AI :p
2026-01-05 09:29:40 +0100kuribas(~user@2a02-1810-2825-6000-a122-c68a-b511-6946.ip6.access.telenet.be) kuribas
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2026-01-05 09:39:18 +0100 <hc> What's the stateless way to wish you all a happy new year?
2026-01-05 09:41:57 +0100fgarcia(~lei@user/fgarcia) (Quit: Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 09:42:30 +0100 <Vq> There are none, wishes are treated as to be effectful (even when they are not).
2026-01-05 09:43:00 +0100tv(~tv@user/tv) tv
2026-01-05 09:45:05 +0100emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 09:48:40 +0100 <gentauro> hc: you are "broadcasting" hereby you are performing multiple effects ;)
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2026-01-05 09:59:21 +0100 <hc> Vq: haha :)
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2026-01-05 10:44:51 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2026-01-05 10:50:04 +0100acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7171955d8ad2266737cd07c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2026-01-05 10:51:56 +0100Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@88-114-88-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2026-01-05 10:56:15 +0100Inline(~User@cgn-195-14-221-74.nc.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/)
2026-01-05 11:22:33 +0100xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2026-01-05 11:26:56 +0100vidak(~vidak@2407:e400:7800:2c01:d0be:76f8:cc84:bd4a) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2026-01-05 11:34:14 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-05 11:35:46 +0100takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 11:36:58 +0100takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2026-01-05 11:38:10 +0100GdeVolpi1(~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) GdeVolpiano
2026-01-05 11:38:14 +0100GdeVolpiano(~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-05 11:38:59 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-05 11:39:12 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2026-01-05 11:39:22 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2026-01-05 11:44:33 +0100trickard_trickard
2026-01-05 11:47:34 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2026-01-05 11:47:46 +0100wickedjargon(~user@64.114.24.74) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-05 11:48:59 +0100joelr(~joelr@user/jreicher) jreicher
2026-01-05 11:49:09 +0100haritz(~hrtz@2a01:4b00:bc2e:7000:d5af:a266:ca31:5ef8)
2026-01-05 11:49:09 +0100haritz(~hrtz@2a01:4b00:bc2e:7000:d5af:a266:ca31:5ef8) (Changing host)
2026-01-05 11:49:09 +0100haritz(~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz
2026-01-05 11:49:22 +0100joelr(~joelr@user/jreicher) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 11:53:59 +0100tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:99cd:cd7:ecf5:fac2)
2026-01-05 11:54:42 +0100joelr(~joelr@user/jreicher) jreicher
2026-01-05 11:55:05 +0100joelr(~joelr@user/jreicher) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 11:56:43 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2026-01-05 11:57:22 +0100annamalai(~annamalai@157.32.133.19) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 11:57:28 +0100takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-05 12:00:14 +0100takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2026-01-05 12:01:20 +0100notzmv(~umar@user/notzmv) notzmv
2026-01-05 12:05:45 +0100jreicher(~user@user/jreicher) jreicher
2026-01-05 12:07:24 +0100trickard(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-05 12:07:40 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2026-01-05 12:12:37 +0100annamalai(~annamalai@2409:4042:2e0f:1c69::9eca:8006) annamalai