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2026-05-13 00:07:40 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-13 00:10:44 +0000 <x9>  i think "physically" the haskell ecosystem being so powerful is absolutely justified: it seems to provide a very "high level of assurance" about computation being what "we think it is" and possibly in a somewhat unique way (which may be due to the call by name part). in this sense, it is necessary that it be so complicated and bigger than any
2026-05-13 00:10:44 +0000 <x9> single one of us.  but what about the re-programmability? say i want to "remove all names and to replace them with new ones" in the way one can CUT in gentzen and replace what was cut with some different symbol (that denotes the same). sometimes the names might be parts of new programs in some languages, which complicates this process. but i think
2026-05-13 00:10:45 +0000 <x9> purely functional ought to mean, that the haskell code can be converted to a single very long lambda expression, that has "none of the names and only does the computation [not needing the names for it, beyond being called]", and then those names being replaced with something else. does this make any sense?
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2026-05-13 00:56:20 +0000 <EvanR> not really because there are tons of low level primitives whose meaning to provided by the compiler
2026-05-13 00:56:31 +0000 <EvanR> pure lambda calculus can only go so far
2026-05-13 00:56:38 +0000 <EvanR> meaning is*
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2026-05-13 01:15:16 +0000 <x9> thanks :)
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2026-05-13 01:44:33 +0000 <Axman6> x9: evaluating Haskell by hand is much easier than most languages, IMO. We have quite a lot of syntax sugar, but a hell of a lot of things boil down to function calls and case statements, and once you can translate those into that, evaluation is trivial - when a function is applied, substitute its definition; when a case statement is applied to something, you evaluate that expression enough to perform the pattern match. All this can be done trivially on a piec
2026-05-13 01:44:33 +0000 <Axman6> e of paper
2026-05-13 01:47:37 +0000 <monochrom> In practice, pure functions are much easier to trace by human than imperative procedures. (In theory, a pure function of 100 arguments is as bad as an imperative procedure of 100 state variables. But you don't have 100 arguments and you do have 100 state variables. That's why.)
2026-05-13 01:49:29 +0000 <Axman6> on the refactoring side, x9 you might fund Unison interesting. It'sd a haskell like language but the "true" code is just a hashed AST of the functions, and things like names of vairables are just metadata, so the same codebase can be used by two different people who name the same function differently, but changing those names doesn't change what's executed. It's more like a projection of the real code
2026-05-13 01:49:42 +0000 <Axman6> it = the testual representation humans interact with
2026-05-13 01:49:46 +0000 <Axman6> textual*
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2026-05-13 01:50:02 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-13 01:50:29 +0000 <x9> thanks!
2026-05-13 01:50:42 +0000 <x9> you are right. i do find it interesting. krivine machines too.
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2026-05-13 02:04:06 +0000 <jackdk> x9: I think some forths have this renaming property you're looking for because words get looked up in the dictionary when they're called or compiled, I don't remember which.
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2026-05-13 02:12:37 +0000 <geekosaur> I want to say "compiled" but forth has changed a bit since when I learned it early on
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2026-05-13 10:15:17 +0000 <random-jellyfish> I remember that on freenode the haskell channel was among the few channels where you could step out of the main topic of the channel and talk about other things
2026-05-13 10:15:29 +0000 <random-jellyfish> like math, physics, computer science
2026-05-13 10:15:37 +0000 <random-jellyfish> is that still the case on libera?
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2026-05-13 10:58:27 +0000 <bggd> amho on most on IRC an interesting [pardon my English] discussion can goes on. Just on-topic have priority. A long discussion about AI took place on #lad recentrly for example.
2026-05-13 10:58:43 +0000 <bggd> *can go*
2026-05-13 10:58:50 +0000 <bggd> *recently*
2026-05-13 10:59:48 +0000 <bggd> There is not a totalitary spirit here :)
2026-05-13 11:00:59 +0000 <bggd> sorry for this terribly written sentence pff :(
2026-05-13 11:04:20 +0000 <bggd> And, for haskell like for high-school science students, a bit a brain relaxation is sometimes needed :)
2026-05-13 11:08:11 +0000 <danza> there is #haskell-offtopic
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2026-05-13 11:18:04 +0000 <[exa]> any users of Network.DNS around? (wondering how hard it would be to ship a completely custom-domain-serving DNS server that systems would still talk to)
2026-05-13 11:30:54 +0000terrorjack(~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:271:2d98::2) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat)
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2026-05-13 11:39:07 +0000Deltaspace(~Deltaspac@178.252.83.109)
2026-05-13 11:39:25 +0000Deltaspace(~Deltaspac@178.252.83.109) (Changing host)
2026-05-13 11:39:25 +0000Deltaspace(~Deltaspac@user/Deltaspace) Deltaspace
2026-05-13 11:42:15 +0000terrorjack(~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:271:2d98::2) terrorjack
2026-05-13 11:47:11 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2026-05-13 11:48:40 +0000[exa]finds pocket-dns, oh wow
2026-05-13 11:48:52 +0000tnt1(~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) tnt1
2026-05-13 11:51:13 +0000Square2(~Square4@user/square) Square
2026-05-13 11:54:25 +0000leppard(~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-05-13 11:56:58 +0000leppard(~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2026-05-13 11:58:31 +0000 <ski> random-jellyfish : yes
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2026-05-13 13:49:35 +0000Lears(~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) Leary
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2026-05-13 14:13:29 +0000danza(~danza@user/danza) danza
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2026-05-13 14:28:32 +0000srazkvt(~sarah@user/srazkvt) srazkvt
2026-05-13 14:30:54 +0000marinelli(~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) marinelli
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2026-05-13 14:35:57 +0000 <janus> random-jellyfish: there is #haskell-offtopic . why would it exist?
2026-05-13 14:42:27 +0000 <ski> #haskell-offtopic was kinda forked from #haskell-blah
2026-05-13 14:44:10 +0000 <ski> longer offtopic chatter, or if there's an on-topic query going on, may be requested to be moved to another channel
2026-05-13 14:47:21 +0000Square(~Square@user/square) Square
2026-05-13 14:47:37 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d172-219-48-230.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2026-05-13 14:49:14 +0000 <geekosaur> also on-topic but off the rails (i.e. started delving into the math or internals) chatter may be asked to move to #haskell-in-depth
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2026-05-13 15:10:02 +0000rzrshr(~rzrshr@user/rzrshr) rzrshr
2026-05-13 15:11:21 +0000 <gentauro> how many haskell channels are there on libera?
2026-05-13 15:12:55 +0000itaipu(~itaipu@168.121.98.126) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2026-05-13 15:13:55 +0000Digit(~user@user/digit) Digit
2026-05-13 15:19:44 +0000 <ski> @wiki IRC channel#Related channels
2026-05-13 15:19:44 +0000 <lambdabot> https://wiki.haskell.org/IRC_channel#Related_channels
2026-05-13 15:20:28 +0000 <ski> also
2026-05-13 15:20:41 +0000 <ski> /msg ALis list haskell
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