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| 2024-12-29 00:23:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm, anyone has some insight about why the indexed monad's "bind" has that type? |
| 2024-12-29 00:24:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> "(a -> m j k b) -> m i j a -> m i k b", the two last types makes sense, but the first type "(a -> m j k b)" I'm not too sure about |
| 2024-12-29 00:25:44 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 00:26:13 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-185-30-217.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 00:26:21 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> I'm reading "m i j a" as, the monad indexed by "i", such that "j" depends on "i" |
| 2024-12-29 00:26:37 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-12-29 00:30:17 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 00:30:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | looks like a straightforward generalization of (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b, with an assumption that the action produces both a new value type and a new index type to go with it, and the result type encodes the initial and final index types while discarding the intermediate one (j) because it becomes k when the action is run |
| 2024-12-29 00:32:01 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the initial state encodes i->j, then the action gives you j->k, meaning the result is i->k |
| 2024-12-29 00:32:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm I'll think about the idea of discarding the intermediate index type, ty |
| 2024-12-29 00:33:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> right ok |
| 2024-12-29 00:33:13 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> that makes more sense, ok ty |
| 2024-12-29 00:33:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there isn't much to think about, any more than it's worth thinking about 2+3+4 giving you an intermediate 5 |
| 2024-12-29 00:33:42 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-135-074.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2024-12-29 00:35:40 +0100 | <geekosaur> | AIUI the whole point is that the indexed monad tracks an initial and a final index. individual actions within it produce new "final" indexes which aren't the final index of the entire computation because the next action maps from the first "final" index to a new one |
| 2024-12-29 00:39:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> ok right, I wasn't quite getting that in "m i j a", both "i" and "j" are indextypes |
| 2024-12-29 00:43:50 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 00:45:37 +0100 | foul_owl | (~kerry@193.42.0.124) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 00:46:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> they are from the same indexing type* |
| 2024-12-29 00:47:36 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Quit: ash3en) |
| 2024-12-29 00:47:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> was reading that wrong |
| 2024-12-29 00:48:26 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 00:52:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> next question is... why two indexes? |
| 2024-12-29 00:53:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> the usage of one index is understandable, e.g. the type of lists with a given length |
| 2024-12-29 00:54:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm but maybe you'll two indexes if you're mapping from lists of length n to lists of length m? |
| 2024-12-29 00:54:22 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> you'll want two indexed* |
| 2024-12-29 00:55:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-12-29 00:59:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | think a and b having different Ord instances |
| 2024-12-29 01:00:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | so it tracks the original and final Ord instances |
| 2024-12-29 01:00:36 +0100 | foul_owl | (~kerry@174-21-81-201.tukw.qwest.net) foul_owl |
| 2024-12-29 01:01:27 +0100 | lol_ | jcarpenter2 |
| 2024-12-29 01:01:59 +0100 | gentauro | (~gentauro@user/gentauro) gentauro |
| 2024-12-29 01:02:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (since one of the uses of indexed monads is to allow things like an indexed monad instance for Set, which normally isn't possible because changing the key type alters the structure to reflect a different Ord instance. AIUI at least) |
| 2024-12-29 01:02:54 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (meaning i, j, k are the key types since those specify the Ord instances, again AIUI) |
| 2024-12-29 01:05:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm right |
| 2024-12-29 01:06:39 +0100 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-12-29 01:07:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | more generally, a would be Map k v, b would be Map k' v', i is k and j is k' |
| 2024-12-29 01:08:22 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and I think mathematically (but sadly not in Haskell's type system) if i == j then it should reduce to a normal non-indexed monad |
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| 2024-12-29 01:25:43 +0100 | <hololeap> | it reminds me of (.|) :: Monad m => ConduitT a b m () -> ConduitT b c m r -> ConduitT a c m r |
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| 2024-12-29 01:38:30 +0100 | <ncf> | geekosaur: i don't think Set is an indexed monad? |
| 2024-12-29 01:40:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | maybe I'm completely confused, that was what I thought (part of) the point of it was |
| 2024-12-29 01:40:41 +0100 | <ncf> | are you thinking of exofunctors or something |
| 2024-12-29 01:42:05 +0100 | <ncf> | there's some motivation here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28690448/what-is-indexed-monad |
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| 2024-12-29 02:23:31 +0100 | <ncf> | i guess the one-sentence definition of an indexed monad is "category enriched in the monoidal category of endofunctors with composition" |
| 2024-12-29 02:23:42 +0100 | <ncf> | (the one that monads are just monoids in) |
| 2024-12-29 02:25:55 +0100 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2024-12-29 02:26:37 +0100 | <hololeap> | "with composition" seems like it would be redundant. isn't that implied by it being a category? |
| 2024-12-29 02:27:14 +0100 | <ncf> | with composition as the monoidal product |
| 2024-12-29 02:27:24 +0100 | <ncf> | composition of endofunctors |
| 2024-12-29 02:28:29 +0100 | <ncf> | i.e. the endomorphism monoidal category on Set in the bicategory of categories |
| 2024-12-29 02:30:10 +0100 | <hololeap> | isn't that usually just referred to as "the category of endofunctors" |
| 2024-12-29 02:31:29 +0100 | <hololeap> | (I barely understand this stuff so don't take me too seriously) |
| 2024-12-29 02:31:34 +0100 | <ncf> | well that doesn't tell you which monoidal structure you put on it |
| 2024-12-29 02:32:11 +0100 | <ncf> | i.e. applicative functors are monoids in the category of endofunctors *with Day convolution as the monoidal product* |
| 2024-12-29 02:35:06 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 02:36:55 +0100 | <hololeap> | ok I think I see what you mean |
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| 2024-12-29 03:04:56 +0100 | thatonelutenist | (8216c46202@2a03:6000:1812:100::fb3) thatonelutenist |
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| 2024-12-29 03:11:40 +0100 | <Leary> | @tell prsteele https://play.haskell.org/saved/J7bdQ5zn |
| 2024-12-29 03:11:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
| 2024-12-29 03:12:10 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-12-29 03:24:00 +0100 | <Leary> | thirdofmay: The Atkey indexed monad has two indices for the same reason `Category` arrows do; its bind performs a kind of composition. Simple examples include the indexed writer monad, which writes category arrows rather than monoids, and the indexed state monad which has distinct types for the initial and final state. |
| 2024-12-29 03:27:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 03:27:53 +0100 | <Leary> | This is clearer when looking at a corresponding indexed applicative: `unit :: f i i (); fuse :: f i j a -> f j k b -> f i k (a, b)` |
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| 2024-12-29 03:59:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm |
| 2024-12-29 04:00:07 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> we want there to be a strict ordering in the indexing type/sort right? |
| 2024-12-29 04:00:27 +0100 | notzmv | (~umar@user/notzmv) notzmv |
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| 2024-12-29 04:07:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> thinking about specifically the case where the indexes are given by "Finite n" |
| 2024-12-29 04:07:49 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> well |
| 2024-12-29 04:08:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> there is no type that can carry more information that either "Finite n" or "Nat", so I think it is a good starting point |
| 2024-12-29 04:08:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> there is no type that can carry more information as an indexing type*** |
| 2024-12-29 04:10:30 +0100 | prasad | (~Thunderbi@c-73-75-25-251.hsd1.in.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 04:11:00 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> i.e. any work that can done by a type, as an indexing type, will be the same as can be done by either "Finite n" or the type of natural numbers |
| 2024-12-29 04:13:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> simply because the work of an indexing type is delimited simply by how many ways you can pattern match on it. i.e. this completely specifies the extent of the work an indexing type can do |
| 2024-12-29 04:14:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> pattern matching, that is |
| 2024-12-29 04:16:00 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 04:17:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Wait how? |
| 2024-12-29 04:18:13 +0100 | <Leary> | I don't see what an ordering on the index kind has to do with anything. |
| 2024-12-29 04:18:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> Bowuigi: the extent of the work that can be done by an indexing type is that of specifying another type, so it has type "IndexType -> Type", where "IndexType : Type" |
| 2024-12-29 04:19:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> uh |
| 2024-12-29 04:19:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> wait |
| 2024-12-29 04:20:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> that's not the type it has, the choice function in which it serves as the indexing type has that type |
| 2024-12-29 04:20:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> "choiceFunction :: IndexType -> Type", where "IndexType :: Type" |
| 2024-12-29 04:20:33 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 04:21:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> Leary: not sure either, just threw that out there to make the problem more concrete |
| 2024-12-29 04:21:19 +0100 | dsrt^ | (dsrt@c-98-242-74-66.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 2024-12-29 04:22:24 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> I still don't understand how does that limit you to Nat/Fin |
| 2024-12-29 04:25:11 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 04:28:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> Bowuigi: well, there is nothing in "IndexType :: Type" that can be used to make a value of "Type". so it can only allow you to choose a value. i.e., the term that will result from applying "choiceFunction :: IndexType -> Type" will not contain any term from "IndexType" |
| 2024-12-29 04:29:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> the argument also follows from considering that any term (e.g. in System F) has finitely many symbols and therefore can only have finitely many differences with any other term |
| 2024-12-29 04:30:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> so if you have "someTerm :: Type", it has at most finitely many differences with "anotherTerm :: Type", which means these can be indexed by a function on the naturals |
| 2024-12-29 04:30:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> these differences* |
| 2024-12-29 04:31:21 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-135-074.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 04:34:35 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093F.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2024-12-29 04:35:22 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> not sure if the same argument could be used for dependent types. for non-dependent types I think it is enough |
| 2024-12-29 04:36:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 04:36:43 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387092B.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2024-12-29 04:37:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> i.e. we use the fact that "choiceFunction :: IndexType -> Type" applied to "index :: IndexType" will produce a term "resultingTerm :: Type" which has no subterms like "someSubterm :: IndexType" |
| 2024-12-29 04:38:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> because of non-dependent types |
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| 2024-12-29 04:46:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> so that means the only "value" or only "worth" of "IndexType" is how many ways it can be different, i.e., its cardinality |
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| 2024-12-29 05:29:24 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> That makes sense I guess |
| 2024-12-29 05:30:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Tho Nat may not be enough, unsure if larger infinities can be represented without dependent types |
| 2024-12-29 05:32:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> Bowuigi: this is probably taken care of if the alphabet is assumed to be countable. cannot have uncountably-many terms arising from countable alphabet |
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| 2024-12-29 05:35:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Dedekind/Cauchy reals don't seem to require infinite alphabets |
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| 2024-12-29 10:22:35 +0100 | <mreh> | why is there no standard library instance of Foreign.Storable (a, b)? |
| 2024-12-29 10:23:11 +0100 | <mreh> | is it too inflexible to have only one? |
| 2024-12-29 10:24:31 +0100 | <c_wraith> | I think it's more ideological. Storable is originally intended for things that map to C type, and (,) does not do that. |
| 2024-12-29 10:25:03 +0100 | <mreh> | c_wraith: gotcha, sounds about right |
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| 2024-12-29 12:35:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> for anyone interested in the indexed monad discussions above, the following article clarifies a lot: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=58bbf3f9381b1c08035b18b5e36bf15eb7c… |
| 2024-12-29 12:36:05 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
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| 2024-12-29 12:36:18 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> notably, why two indexes, and how to encode non-indexed functors (they use the Unit type as the two indexes) |
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| 2024-12-29 12:50:36 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> (the citation cluster around this article discusses the topic extensively too and most articles are freely available) |
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| 2024-12-29 13:02:07 +0100 | <ncf> | a monad is just a one-object enriched category :) |
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| 2024-12-29 14:27:47 +0100 | <kaol> | :t \f g -> f <=< fmap g |
| 2024-12-29 14:27:47 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (b -> m c) -> (a -> b) -> m a -> m c |
| 2024-12-29 14:27:51 +0100 | emmanuelux | (~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) (Quit: au revoir) |
| 2024-12-29 14:28:25 +0100 | emmanuelux | (~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) emmanuelux |
| 2024-12-29 14:28:37 +0100 | <kaol> | I used that but putting kleisli and fmap together felt odd, is there something obvious I missed? |
| 2024-12-29 14:33:10 +0100 | <int-e> | :t \f g -> (>>= f . g) |
| 2024-12-29 14:33:11 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (b1 -> m b2) -> (a -> b1) -> m a -> m b2 |
| 2024-12-29 14:34:08 +0100 | <int-e> | :t \f g -> (>>= fmap f g) {- scnr -} |
| 2024-12-29 14:34:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (a1 -> m b) -> (a2 -> a1) -> m a2 -> m b |
| 2024-12-29 14:35:32 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 14:35:42 +0100 | <kaol> | Thanks, I knew there was something off. |
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| 2024-12-29 16:13:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> _ |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | sneak a garbage line before it, from matrix |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:10 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:10 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Ambiguous type variables ‘m0’, |
| 2024-12-29 16:14:10 +0100 | <lambdabot> | ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M18904948350... |
| 2024-12-29 16:15:51 +0100 | <dminuoso> | mreh: Besides, without a link to C representation the matter of "how to represent some arbitrary data" becomes a mess. Should (a, b) have some TLV representation? This rapidly swirls into encoding/decoding arbitrary payloads. |
| 2024-12-29 16:21:00 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-12-29 16:31:48 +0100 | divya | (divya@140.238.251.170) divya |
| 2024-12-29 16:34:23 +0100 | ephilalethes | (~noumenon@2001:f40:908:735:aa7e:eaff:fede:ff94) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-12-29 16:35:10 +0100 | driib318 | (~driib@vmi931078.contaboserver.net) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2024-12-29 16:37:10 +0100 | acidjnk_new3 | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f89a9548a55d3d0f0c2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 16:38:04 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 16:39:20 +0100 | driib318 | (~driib@vmi931078.contaboserver.net) driib |
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| 2024-12-29 16:47:48 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak |
| 2024-12-29 16:47:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> I don't understand the documentation of sequence, where it says |
| 2024-12-29 16:47:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/QUKGrvLTNZOOOHdwBvktjVmF/bVwGZIEAz8s (3 lines) |
| 2024-12-29 16:48:45 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:08 +0100 | <glguy> | > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Ambiguous type variables ‘m0’, |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M47049344228... |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:25 +0100 | <int-e> | > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] :: Either Int () |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:27 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:27 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Couldn't match type ‘Either [a1] a0’ with ‘()’ |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:27 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Expected type: Either Int () |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:32 +0100 | <int-e> | err |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:55 +0100 | <int-e> | > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] :: Either [Int] [()] |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:57 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:57 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Couldn't match type ‘Either [a0]’ with ‘[]’ |
| 2024-12-29 16:53:57 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Expected type: Either [Int] [()] |
| 2024-12-29 16:54:10 +0100 | <int-e> | :t sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] |
| 2024-12-29 16:54:11 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (Monad m, Num a1) => m (Either [a1] a2) |
| 2024-12-29 16:54:18 +0100 | <int-e> | sorry. evidently I don't get it. |
| 2024-12-29 16:54:59 +0100 | <int-e> | > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] :: Identity (Either [Int] ()) |
| 2024-12-29 16:55:00 +0100 | <glguy> | in GHCi it defaults to > sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] :: IO (Either [Int] ()) |
| 2024-12-29 16:55:28 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Identity (Left [1,2,3,4]) |
| 2024-12-29 16:56:03 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 16:56:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> Oh IO monad |
| 2024-12-29 16:56:50 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> that makes sense |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> terrible example though in the doc |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:39 +0100 | <int-e> | > sequence $ Right (Idenitity ()) :: Identity (Either [Int] ()) |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Data constructor not in scope: Idenitity :: () -> Identity () |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | • Perhaps you meant one of these: |
| 2024-12-29 16:57:47 +0100 | int-e | gives up |
| 2024-12-29 16:59:00 +0100 | <int-e> | Ah it would help if I could type. |
| 2024-12-29 17:00:10 +0100 | dostoevsky | (~dostoevsk@user/dostoevsky) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-12-29 17:00:27 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 17:00:32 +0100 | dostoevsky | (~dostoevsk@user/dostoevsky) dostoevsky |
| 2024-12-29 17:00:51 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-12-29 17:02:18 +0100 | dostoevsky | (~dostoevsk@user/dostoevsky) (Max SendQ exceeded) |
| 2024-12-29 17:02:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> main = print =<< (sequence $ Left [1,2,3,4] :: IO (Either [Int] ())) |
| 2024-12-29 17:02:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> I got it in the playground eventually |
| 2024-12-29 17:03:01 +0100 | dostoevsky | (~dostoevsk@user/dostoevsky) dostoevsky |
| 2024-12-29 17:03:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> I suspect this example helps no one but confuse people |
| 2024-12-29 17:03:45 +0100 | <int-e> | hmm, where did you find this? |
| 2024-12-29 17:06:28 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-12-29 17:11:30 +0100 | Digit | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2024-12-29 17:21:48 +0100 | Digit | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) |
| 2024-12-29 17:22:29 +0100 | prasad | (~Thunderbi@c-73-75-25-251.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 2024-12-29 17:22:35 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 17:24:30 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.21.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#v:sequence |
| 2024-12-29 17:24:45 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
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| 2024-12-29 17:47:02 +0100 | <kevinz56> | Hii |
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| 2024-12-29 18:33:22 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
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| 2024-12-29 18:37:09 +0100 | Digit | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-12-29 18:37:13 +0100 | <ash3en> | hi, can i make this a bit less repetetive? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/dQn16HaU |
| 2024-12-29 18:37:48 +0100 | Digit | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) |
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| 2024-12-29 18:41:40 +0100 | talismanick | (~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick |
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| 2024-12-29 18:51:43 +0100 | <glguy> | ash3en, what part of it do you want to eliminate? |
| 2024-12-29 18:52:55 +0100 | <ash3en> | hm, I thought maybe there is a more concise version of this. the explicit return/pure is a bit annoying imo |
| 2024-12-29 18:53:20 +0100 | <c_wraith> | there's <* |
| 2024-12-29 18:53:23 +0100 | <glguy> | the pure st seems pretty important because that's where you specified the return value |
| 2024-12-29 18:53:36 +0100 | <glguy> | it's not obvious to me what takeRemainingNulBytes does or what it needs st |
| 2024-12-29 18:53:41 +0100 | <c_wraith> | but why does takeRemainingNulBytes even have a parameter? |
| 2024-12-29 18:54:04 +0100 | <glguy> | attoparsec's "skip (0==)" is shorter than that name |
| 2024-12-29 18:54:07 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-015-198.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 18:54:20 +0100 | <glguy> | is that what it does? |
| 2024-12-29 18:55:20 +0100 | <c_wraith> | If that's just to illustrate a common pattern... you can eliminate it, but it's... bad. |
| 2024-12-29 18:55:24 +0100 | <ash3en> | takeRemainingNulBytes discards remaining nul bytes that are just used to pad the string to a multiple of 32bit. so after i have parsed the string i want to discard the remaining nul bytes. however the next value i want to parse may be a zero so i can not just discard ALL nul bytes. just the ones used for padding |
| 2024-12-29 18:56:57 +0100 | <ash3en> | so parse until nul bytes; discard all padded null bytes; keep parsing |
| 2024-12-29 18:57:18 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Like, you could replace the last two lines with.... (<$) <*> takeRemainingNulBytes $ st |
| 2024-12-29 18:57:32 +0100 | <c_wraith> | but... don't. For the sake of anyone looking at the code in the future. |
| 2024-12-29 18:58:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 18:58:41 +0100 | <ash3en> | yeah, that seems not too readable : ) |
| 2024-12-29 18:58:59 +0100 | <c_wraith> | sadly, I can read it now. :) |
| 2024-12-29 18:59:21 +0100 | <kaol> | There's https://hackage.haskell.org/package/IfElse-0.85/docs/Control-Monad-IfElse.html#v:returning but that's not any library I'd consider for my usual toolbox. |
| 2024-12-29 19:00:35 +0100 | <ash3en> | haha nice kaol, but I'll pass on this lib probably |
| 2024-12-29 19:01:32 +0100 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
| 2024-12-29 19:01:57 +0100 | <kaol> | Now that you mention it this is a function I've been hoping for myself more than once. |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:11 +0100 | notzmv | (~umar@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:19 +0100 | <c_wraith> | :t ((<$) <*>) -- amusingly.... |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:23 +0100 | <statusbot> | Maintenance update: Hackage will be offline for a redeploy -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/67718e964449ab5853e77361 |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:27 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Functor f => (a -> f b) -> a -> f a |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:43 +0100 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-12-29 19:02:57 +0100 | <c_wraith> | look, I rediscovered it! |
| 2024-12-29 19:03:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:03:44 +0100 | <ash3en> | c_wraith: i will keep that version as a comment :D |
| 2024-12-29 19:03:53 +0100 | <kaol> | Peachy. I'll start it on my personal code, haters gonna hate. |
| 2024-12-29 19:04:40 +0100 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) TheCoffeMaker |
| 2024-12-29 19:04:58 +0100 | <kaol> | Every time you name a variable god kills a kitten. |
| 2024-12-29 19:05:28 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-015-198.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2024-12-29 19:05:34 +0100 | <ash3en> | kaol: :'( |
| 2024-12-29 19:05:55 +0100 | <kaol> | I may not be completely serious. |
| 2024-12-29 19:06:04 +0100 | <ash3en> | probably |
| 2024-12-29 19:06:10 +0100 | <c_wraith> | In fact, that whole thing could be written as takeWhile1 (/= nulByte) >>= (<$) <*> takeRemainingNulBytes |
| 2024-12-29 19:06:22 +0100 | <c_wraith> | maximize line noise. |
| 2024-12-29 19:06:41 +0100 | <c_wraith> | use a secret S combinator. |
| 2024-12-29 19:06:45 +0100 | <glguy> | unreadable code isn't going to write itself |
| 2024-12-29 19:07:21 +0100 | <ash3en> | it is understandable until (<$) |
| 2024-12-29 19:07:23 +0100 | <kaol> | I don't even find that too bad, but I've spent an unhealthy amount of time playing around with (->). |
| 2024-12-29 19:08:09 +0100 | <glguy> | If you don't want to name your variables I recommend exploring Factor. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=factorlang&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 2024-12-29 19:08:18 +0100 | <glguy> | hmm, I didn't mean to paste that |
| 2024-12-29 19:08:22 +0100 | <glguy> | https://factorcode.org |
| 2024-12-29 19:08:29 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Honestly, I'd leave the code as-is |
| 2024-12-29 19:08:57 +0100 | <glguy> | with a stack language you can take unreadable to a level that simple (r ->) isn't going to get close to |
| 2024-12-29 19:09:30 +0100 | <c_wraith> | everything that reduces repetition of `st' in there also obfuscates the flow of what's going on. |
| 2024-12-29 19:09:45 +0100 | <glguy> | and the environment you write Factor in is pretty slick, too |
| 2024-12-29 19:09:45 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2024-12-29 19:09:48 +0100 | <ash3en> | c_wraith: too true |
| 2024-12-29 19:09:57 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-015-198.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:11:51 +0100 | <hololeap> | kaol: it looks fine to me |
| 2024-12-29 19:12:03 +0100 | <hololeap> | sorry ash3en |
| 2024-12-29 19:12:08 +0100 | <hololeap> | is who I meant |
| 2024-12-29 19:14:01 +0100 | <hololeap> | making it more compact is just going to obfuscate things |
| 2024-12-29 19:14:33 +0100 | <hololeap> | and I personally like writing out parsers with do-notation like that since it's easier to read in my opinion |
| 2024-12-29 19:14:53 +0100 | <hololeap> | even if it is more lines |
| 2024-12-29 19:16:59 +0100 | <statusbot> | Maintenance update: hackage redeploy complete -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/67718e964449ab5853e77361 |
| 2024-12-29 19:21:02 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) |
| 2024-12-29 19:21:31 +0100 | <ash3en> | yeah, i just hoped for an easy to get applicative way to define this |
| 2024-12-29 19:22:10 +0100 | Digit | (~user@198.144.208.46.dyn.plus.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:22:18 +0100 | agent314 | (~quassel@static-198-54-130-107.cust.tzulo.com) agent314 |
| 2024-12-29 19:25:43 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2024-12-29 19:25:52 +0100 | hueso | (~root@user/hueso) (Quit: hueso) |
| 2024-12-29 19:25:52 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-12-29 19:26:55 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:27:06 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2024-12-29 19:27:29 +0100 | <monochrom> | Hrm, writing itself... . o O ( do, a block, a monad block; rec, a knot tied in the block; quine, a code, that writes itself; ... ) |
| 2024-12-29 19:28:45 +0100 | <monochrom> | Hot take: Quines are unreadable code that writes itself. >:) |
| 2024-12-29 19:30:09 +0100 | <c_wraith> | I didn't realize you were cosplaying as Julie Andrews today. |
| 2024-12-29 19:30:22 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-12-29 19:31:00 +0100 | <monochrom> | Wanna also hear about my favourite langs? >:) |
| 2024-12-29 19:31:25 +0100 | <c_wraith> | I actually wrap all gifts as brown paper packages tied up with string. |
| 2024-12-29 19:31:44 +0100 | <monochrom> | That's very old school. |
| 2024-12-29 19:32:25 +0100 | <monochrom> | But OK, restaurants now also do that to my leftovers to go! |
| 2024-12-29 19:35:51 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
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| 2024-12-29 19:41:22 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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