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| 2026-06-17 01:23:36 +0000 | <raincomplex> | i think abstractions are most useful when they're clear and simple (and potentially hide a lot of complexity) |
| 2026-06-17 01:23:42 +0000 | <raincomplex> | like: a function is a thing that takes some input values and produces an output value |
| 2026-06-17 01:26:16 +0000 | <raincomplex> | a coroutine is a function that can yield values part way through its execution, and then be resumed |
| 2026-06-17 01:30:18 +0000 | <raincomplex> | these are soft definitions that help me to understand when to use these things |
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| 2026-06-17 02:07:58 +0000 | <monochrom> | I know how to formalize those too. But perhaps my point is not formalization. I mentioned "falsifiable", that's my real bottom line. It just happens that math is a very good way to do that. |
| 2026-06-17 02:10:01 +0000 | <monochrom> | Here is an example. You have heard "survival of the fittest". I know how to falsify "this species survives". I don't know how to falsify "fit", unless we just say "it's just a synonym for survival", at which point we don't need it. |
| 2026-06-17 02:10:03 +0000 | fgarcia | (~lei@user/fgarcia) (Max SendQ exceeded) |
| 2026-06-17 02:10:49 +0000 | <monochrom> | Likewise, I know how to falsify "foo is a monad". I don't know how to falsify "foo is a context", unless we just define "context = monad", at which point we don't need it either. |
| 2026-06-17 02:11:24 +0000 | <monochrom> | BTW you don't really want "context = monad". Applicatives feel like "context" too. |
| 2026-06-17 02:13:36 +0000 | wickedjargon | (~user@64.114.24.74) wickedjargon |
| 2026-06-17 02:15:26 +0000 | <monochrom> | I also mentioned "work with". I only know how to work with falsifiable definitions, that's why that's my bottom line. I have to be able to use something, not just "feel" that I "understand". |
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| 2026-06-17 02:19:25 +0000 | <monochrom> | Here is a true story. I saw https://medium.com/better-programming/monads-are-just-fancy-semicolons-ffe38401fd0e . Then I put it on an exam and the question was "show that it breaks a monad law". An example of being intuitive, makes you feel great, and falsified. |
| 2026-06-17 02:23:26 +0000 | spew | (~spew@user/spew) spew |
| 2026-06-17 02:24:23 +0000 | <monochrom> | Ironically "semicolon" is a good idea on its own because people already expect associativity and identity of it. That I can work with. |
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| 2026-06-17 02:27:51 +0000 | <monochrom> | (But Kleisli arrow is the better destination if you want to start with semicolon.) |
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| 2026-06-17 04:19:17 +0000 | vms14 | (~vms14@user/vms14) vms14 |
| 2026-06-17 04:19:27 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.200) |
| 2026-06-17 04:20:33 +0000 | <vms14> | i'm playing with the state monad to make a stack |
| 2026-06-17 04:20:36 +0000 | <vms14> | https://gitlab.com/ohmycat/oh/-/blob/main/oh.hs |
| 2026-06-17 04:20:50 +0000 | <vms14> | although i have no idea of what i'm doing :D |
| 2026-06-17 04:21:55 +0000 | <EvanR> | you used a lazy list as a stack so you're pretty much an expert now |
| 2026-06-17 04:22:20 +0000 | <EvanR> | in many situations simply passing a list around works just as well |
| 2026-06-17 04:22:45 +0000 | <EvanR> | e.g. in cases where you loop by recursing and never return |
| 2026-06-17 04:24:01 +0000 | <vms14> | i will eventually need to make some sort of union type that allows me to put different types on the stack |
| 2026-06-17 04:24:59 +0000 | <vms14> | but then i will have to unbox them it seems |
| 2026-06-17 04:25:10 +0000 | <EvanR> | that there leads to dynamically typed |
| 2026-06-17 04:25:40 +0000 | <EvanR> | which is in haskell leads to a lot of extraneous error calls when the dynamic type is not what you expect |
| 2026-06-17 04:26:13 +0000 | <EvanR> | what you eventually need to do is encode your type system into the stack xD |
| 2026-06-17 04:26:20 +0000 | <EvanR> | so it can never be invalid |
| 2026-06-17 04:26:57 +0000 | <vms14> | actually i think using a stack and the state monad in general is a failure |
| 2026-06-17 04:27:15 +0000 | <EvanR> | no? |
| 2026-06-17 04:27:20 +0000 | <vms14> | and that i should find a way to make a rpn lang that does not need the stack, but it's an illusion made with function composition |
| 2026-06-17 04:27:27 +0000 | <vms14> | although i have no idea how |
| 2026-06-17 04:28:44 +0000 | <vms14> | still it's too soon and i need patience to learn the basics and get familiar with the language |
| 2026-06-17 04:30:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-06-17 04:31:17 +0000 | <monochrom> | Someone did that and wrote a paper about it. They also posted on a mailing list to report that it took hours to type-check. One of those times showing that type inference takes exponential time. |
| 2026-06-17 04:32:18 +0000 | <monochrom> | It was Okasaki IIRC. |
| 2026-06-17 04:32:37 +0000 | <monochrom> | (the functional data structure guy) |
| 2026-06-17 04:35:19 +0000 | Nosrep | (~jimothy@user/nosrep) Nosrep |
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| 2026-06-17 04:42:19 +0000 | <Leary> | vms14: No need for union/sum/dynamic types: you can obtain a heterogeneous stack by recording the element types in the stack type. E.g. `data Stack xs where { Empty :: Stack '[]; Push :: x -> Stack xs -> Stack (x:xs) }`. |
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| 2026-06-17 05:43:20 +0000 | <mauke> | type Stack = (,); empty :: Stack () (); empty = ((), ()); push :: a -> Stack b c -> Stack a (Stack b c); push = (,) |
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| 2026-06-17 06:25:22 +0000 | <probie> | Is there a practical reason why Vector doesn't provide traverse, only mapM? |
| 2026-06-17 06:29:03 +0000 | <mauke> | what |
| 2026-06-17 06:29:23 +0000 | <mauke> | https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/vector-0.13.2.0/docs/src/Data.Vector.html#line-455 |
| 2026-06-17 06:29:56 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-06-17 06:35:30 +0000 | <probie> | mauke: right, that was a half baked thought, I should have clarified that to `Data.Storable.Vector` and that I didn't mean actual `traverse` or `mapM`, I meant something like https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/vector-0.13.2.0/docs/Data-Vector-Storable.html#v:mapM |
| 2026-06-17 06:39:24 +0000 | GdeVolpiano | (~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) GdeVolpiano |
| 2026-06-17 06:39:51 +0000 | <mauke> | not sure |
| 2026-06-17 06:39:55 +0000 | <mauke> | maybe just an oversight? |
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| 2026-06-17 06:51:37 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:3038:2ea:f5a6:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen |
| 2026-06-17 06:53:39 +0000 | <probie> | It's slightly annoying though, because I need it. Well, for now I've just used `foldr` and `fromList` |
| 2026-06-17 06:56:55 +0000 | ThePenguin | (~ThePengui@cust-95-80-28-221.csbnet.se) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2026-06-17 07:02:36 +0000 | <mauke> | could define your own instance |
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| 2026-06-17 07:13:04 +0000 | <probie> | I don't need an instance (and one is impossible), just `Applicative f => (a -> f a) -> Data.Vector.Storable a -> f (Data.Vector.Storable a)` |
| 2026-06-17 07:13:40 +0000 | <probie> | Well `(Storable a, Applicative f) => ...` but close enough |
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| 2026-06-17 07:17:46 +0000 | <Axman6> | I feel like that'll do weird things for f ~ [] |
| 2026-06-17 07:18:12 +0000 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) peterbecich |
| 2026-06-17 07:18:39 +0000 | <Axman6> | straverse (\x -> [x,x]) is going to allocate a lot of vectors |
| 2026-06-17 07:21:57 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-06-17 07:22:24 +0000 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34 |
| 2026-06-17 07:22:37 +0000 | <probie> | Sure, but it's not like we can't already do that with `Data.Vector.Storable.mapM (\x -> [x,x])` |
| 2026-06-17 07:23:57 +0000 | <probie> | The context for this is really just that I want it play nicely with lenses |
| 2026-06-17 07:27:29 +0000 | <probie> | So `f` is generally going to be something like `Identity` or `Const` |
| 2026-06-17 07:32:23 +0000 | <Leary> | probie: <https://github.com/haskell/vector/issues/477>; <https://github.com/haskell/vector/blob/master/vector/src/Data/Vector/Storable.hs#L1819>. |
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| 2026-06-17 07:38:03 +0000 | <mauke> | oh, right. element constraints |
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| 2026-06-17 08:52:54 +0000 | <jaror> | If m is not IO or ST, then mapM and similar functions on vectors just convert to lists, apply mapM there and convert back to vectors. |
| 2026-06-17 08:53:33 +0000 | <jaror> | It's pretty ugly imo |
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| 2026-06-17 09:24:48 +0000 | <probie> | jaror: So I guess that means I should just go with `fromList . traverse f . toList` |
| 2026-06-17 09:25:10 +0000 | <probie> | uh, that should be `fmap fromList` |
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| 2026-06-17 14:17:17 +0000 | <vms14> | Leary: :0 that's awesome, but i do not understand it |
| 2026-06-17 14:17:31 +0000 | preflex | (~preflex@user/mauke/bot/preflex) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-06-17 14:17:32 +0000 | <vms14> | seens to be exactly what i wanted though |
| 2026-06-17 14:17:43 +0000 | <vms14> | sorry i fell asleep yesterday |
| 2026-06-17 14:18:09 +0000 | <vms14> | where can i read about this? i didn't see that in introductory books |
| 2026-06-17 14:19:45 +0000 | preflex | (~preflex@user/mauke/bot/preflex) preflex |
| 2026-06-17 14:20:11 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: Because it's not really introductory level, since you need either GADTs or ExistentialQuantification extension :) |
| 2026-06-17 14:20:17 +0000 | mauke | (~mauke@user/mauke) mauke |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:00 +0000 | <vms14> | Generalised Algebraic Data Types |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:06 +0000 | <vms14> | yeah i was asking google ai xd |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:18 +0000 | jayanth | (~jayanth@static-98-115-128-109.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (#haskell) |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:25 +0000 | <vms14> | i've read gadts many times but ignored it like "that will come later" |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:37 +0000 | <vms14> | but seems to be what i want |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:44 +0000 | jgee242 | (~jayanth@static-98-115-128-109.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2026-06-17 14:21:57 +0000 | <vms14> | ty |
| 2026-06-17 14:22:09 +0000 | <jaror> | You also need DataKinds |
| 2026-06-17 14:22:31 +0000 | <jaror> | To be able to use lists at the type level |
| 2026-06-17 14:23:25 +0000 | <jaror> | I haven't read it but maybe Sandy Maguire's "thinking with types" covers this? |
| 2026-06-17 14:23:27 +0000 | <jaror> | https://thinkingwithtypes.com/ |
| 2026-06-17 14:25:17 +0000 | <vms14> | i was considering that book because i thought mastering the type system of haskell would be good, but i am also impatient to start doing things with haskell |
| 2026-06-17 14:25:49 +0000 | <vms14> | the only think i can do is a hello world xde |
| 2026-06-17 14:25:58 +0000 | <vms14> | thing* |
| 2026-06-17 14:28:26 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: They're neat tricks that (when used with some restraint) can help a lot, but easier to wrap your head around when simpler stuff is more natural |
| 2026-06-17 14:31:22 +0000 | <mauke> | :t interact $ unlines . words |
| 2026-06-17 14:31:23 +0000 | <lambdabot> | IO () |
| 2026-06-17 14:31:35 +0000 | <vms14> | i thought i would have to rely on template haskell to generate boilerplate code for wrapping and unwrapping |
| 2026-06-17 14:36:51 +0000 | <vms14> | jaror: there is a section in that book about gadts and right after it heterogeneous lists in page 55 |
| 2026-06-17 14:37:37 +0000 | <vms14> | also the book is relatively short, 200 pages |
| 2026-06-17 14:37:41 +0000 | <davean> | vms14: why did you think you'd need template haskell and boilerplate wrapping and unwrapping? |
| 2026-06-17 14:40:35 +0000 | <vms14> | davean: because i did not know of any other options |
| 2026-06-17 14:40:54 +0000 | <vms14> | btw i get why i didn't keep reading the book, the book itself told em to fuck off |
| 2026-06-17 14:41:03 +0000 | <vms14> | If you're a beginner Haskell programmer who feels like GHC argues with you too often, who often finds type errors inscrutable, then this book is probably not for you. Not yet |
| 2026-06-17 14:41:07 +0000 | s00pcan | (~s00pcan@71.214.104.207) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 14:41:21 +0000 | <vms14> | i feel like it argues with me and i don't understand the type errors |
| 2026-06-17 14:41:29 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: tbf, that's probably accurate for stuff like GADTs/ExistentialQuantification |
| 2026-06-17 14:41:42 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: Those are good ways to get even more confusing type errors |
| 2026-06-17 14:42:32 +0000 | <vms14> | davean: i thought i had to do something like data StackElement = SInt Int | SChar Char ... xd |
| 2026-06-17 14:46:41 +0000 | <davean> | Even if you did, I don't see the worry about wrapping and unwrapping. I'm going to stop here though. I don't think I have the time to understand |
| 2026-06-17 14:47:34 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: Do you have some examples of type errors that you find confusing? |
| 2026-06-17 14:47:51 +0000 | s00pcan | (~s00pcan@71.214.104.207) s00pcan |
| 2026-06-17 14:48:08 +0000 | <merijn> | vms14: tbh, you probably *do* have to do something like that in most cases |
| 2026-06-17 14:48:33 +0000 | <merijn> | But in practice I've rarely found that to come up |
| 2026-06-17 14:49:48 +0000 | <davean> | They might but I have no idea what they're scared of there. |
| 2026-06-17 14:51:25 +0000 | <vms14> | merijn: any error in haskell is confusing to me until i get familiar with it |
| 2026-06-17 14:52:27 +0000 | <davean> | I mean it might be a bit intimidating to consider if you can just coerce to wrap/unwrap, but its well determined if you can. |
| 2026-06-17 14:54:30 +0000 | <vms14> | davean: i felt like there should be a way so i can just push an integer or a string without having to wrap them, so any other function will work with normal types, i would have made some sort of unpwrap function that extracts the value from the wrapper, but that felt like doing more work because you do not konw enough |
| 2026-06-17 14:54:57 +0000 | <davean> | and what does your push function look like ... |
| 2026-06-17 14:55:03 +0000 | <vms14> | Leary example seems to be exactly what i wanted, so i'll try to understand that and see how it works |
| 2026-06-17 14:55:17 +0000 | <davean> | push :: Stackable a => a -> StackThing () |
| 2026-06-17 14:55:19 +0000 | <davean> | or whatever |
| 2026-06-17 14:55:58 +0000 | <vms14> | i didn't really try that approach, i've only tried to learn how to use the state monad with a list of integers |
| 2026-06-17 14:56:36 +0000 | <vms14> | that's what i made yesterday, without not really knowing too much what i was doing |
| 2026-06-17 14:56:38 +0000 | <vms14> | https://gitlab.com/ohmycat/oh/-/blob/main/oh.hs |
| 2026-06-17 14:57:13 +0000 | <davean> | class Stackable a where stackize :: a -> StackType |
| 2026-06-17 14:57:21 +0000 | <vms14> | i need a stack that can hold multiple types and a dictionary to store words as functions and then is just read words and evaluate them |
| 2026-06-17 14:57:27 +0000 | <davean> | If you REALLY want to abstract it |
| 2026-06-17 14:58:44 +0000 | <vms14> | i still think that i should find a way to provide an illusion where there is no stack and is all function composition behind the scenes, but i have no idea how i would do that, especially for stuff like dup, drop, etc |
| 2026-06-17 14:59:47 +0000 | <vms14> | for now i have to get familiar with the state monad and others, so it's fine |
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| 2026-06-17 15:32:06 +0000 | <danza> | cabal build --ghc-options "-Wall" |
| 2026-06-17 15:32:14 +0000 | <danza> | is that the way to enable all warnings with cabal? |
| 2026-06-17 15:32:28 +0000 | <danza> | i feel like some warnings are not being shown |
| 2026-06-17 15:33:11 +0000 | <merijn> | danza: That enables them for all transitive dependencies. The best way is presumably to add it to ghc-options in your cabal project |
| 2026-06-17 15:33:42 +0000 | <merijn> | Also note that -Wall is "almost all", there's a number of not recommended warnings not included |
| 2026-06-17 15:33:58 +0000 | <danza> | cheers |
| 2026-06-17 15:34:03 +0000 | <danza> | yes i just used -Weverything and that's too much |
| 2026-06-17 15:34:40 +0000 | Axman6 | (~Axman6@user/axman6) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 15:35:01 +0000 | <merijn> | Yeah, -Weverything is really not intended for real use :p |
| 2026-06-17 15:35:26 +0000 | <merijn> | What makes you think some warnings aren't shown? |
| 2026-06-17 15:36:06 +0000 | <danza> | okay found the problem. That works, but it will not retrigger compilation. I just have to run `cabal clean` before |
| 2026-06-17 15:36:46 +0000 | <merijn> | Yeah, warnings don't invalidate the compile cache unless -Werror is active (unless someone wrecked my hard work) |
| 2026-06-17 15:38:25 +0000 | <merijn> | danza: tbh, I basically **always** have -Wall set in my cabal and then set -Werror in cabal.project.local |
| 2026-06-17 15:39:08 +0000 | <danza> | thanks for the additional info merijn |
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| 2026-06-17 18:40:47 +0000 | <vms14> | guys what do you use for backend in haskell? |
| 2026-06-17 18:40:49 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 18:40:52 +0000 | <vms14> | i see servant and yesod |
| 2026-06-17 18:41:12 +0000 | <vms14> | which both seem to use wai and its warp server |
| 2026-06-17 18:41:38 +0000 | <vms14> | i want something like apache but for haskell |
| 2026-06-17 18:41:59 +0000 | <vms14> | so i guess just warp |
| 2026-06-17 18:42:11 +0000 | <vms14> | but warp is not meant to be used alone |
| 2026-06-17 18:42:49 +0000 | <monochrom> | I wrote only a toy web app once. I just used wai and warp. |
| 2026-06-17 18:43:22 +0000 | <EvanR> | apache is a huge and feature packed webserver. Warp is low level, add your own features on top |
| 2026-06-17 18:43:56 +0000 | <vms14> | yeah, sorry what i meant is a local server i can play with |
| 2026-06-17 18:44:49 +0000 | <vms14> | but i'm also curious whether someone does serious stuff |
| 2026-06-17 18:45:11 +0000 | <EvanR> | the docs on warp speaks of a benchmark comparison between nginx and mighty, which is built on warp. Instead of comparing warp directly |
| 2026-06-17 18:45:36 +0000 | <vms14> | EvanR: and warp is faster than nginx? :0 |
| 2026-06-17 18:45:50 +0000 | <EvanR> | you mean mighty? |
| 2026-06-17 18:46:00 +0000 | <EvanR> | "on par with" |
| 2026-06-17 18:46:08 +0000 | <EvanR> | https://aosabook.org/en/posa/warp.html |
| 2026-06-17 18:48:02 +0000 | <vms14> | oh i was reading that lol |
| 2026-06-17 18:48:09 +0000 | <vms14> | i was going to paste the link |
| 2026-06-17 18:51:02 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-06-17 18:51:31 +0000 | <jaror> | I think scotty is the most mature simple web server built on warp |
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| 2026-06-17 18:57:36 +0000 | <jaror> | For a while twain was a more modern alternative that people seemed to like, but it does not seem to be actively developed the last two years |
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| 2026-06-17 18:59:39 +0000 | <jaror> | There's also mig-server which is a more modern take and it seems to be less imperative |
| 2026-06-17 18:59:55 +0000 | <jaror> | but it relies more on typeclasses |
| 2026-06-17 19:08:08 +0000 | <monochrom> | scotty looks nice. Thanks. |
| 2026-06-17 19:08:40 +0000 | <monochrom> | (for the next time I want to write another toy webapp :) ) |
| 2026-06-17 19:09:05 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-06-17 19:12:13 +0000 | <[exa]> | vms14: +1 for scotty, it's tiny and works just right for almost all cases (think kindof like sqlite-- it's not magically greatest, but "just" covers 98% usecases) |
| 2026-06-17 19:12:29 +0000 | <[exa]> | also there's spock but I failed to see what's the difference there |
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| 2026-06-17 19:14:08 +0000 | spew | (~spew@user/spew) spew |
| 2026-06-17 19:15:34 +0000 | <geekosaur> | supposedly it's easier to get working |
| 2026-06-17 19:16:42 +0000 | <[exa]> | I wonder about the definition of "easier" there |
| 2026-06-17 19:18:35 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh it's got builtin database pooling support, that kinda helps yeah |
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| 2026-06-17 19:22:00 +0000 | <vms14> | i was trying to install scotty and run a hello world |
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| 2026-06-17 19:22:44 +0000 | <[exa]> | vms14: did it hello? |
| 2026-06-17 19:22:53 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:03 +0000 | <vms14> | [exa]: yes |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:10 +0000 | <vms14> | indebian is just to apt install libghc-scotty-dev |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:24 +0000 | <vms14> | then ask ai for a hello world and ghc it |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:32 +0000 | <vms14> | :D |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:48 +0000 | <vms14> | i also like how simple the hello world is |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:54 +0000 | Xe | (~Xe@perl/impostor/xe) Xe |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:57 +0000 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) peterbecich |
| 2026-06-17 19:23:58 +0000 | <monochrom> | :( |
| 2026-06-17 19:24:28 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-06-17 19:24:46 +0000 | <vms14> | ty guys for the feedback and recommendations |
| 2026-06-17 19:24:59 +0000 | <vms14> | i'll try scotty for now and see how it goes |
| 2026-06-17 19:25:11 +0000 | <vms14> | i should keep an eye on other options too i guess |
| 2026-06-17 19:25:58 +0000 | <vms14> | servant feels like the one you might want to use for something serious, but i do not know |
| 2026-06-17 19:26:49 +0000 | <[exa]> | servant is for extremely integrated deployments of distributed softwares |
| 2026-06-17 19:27:02 +0000 | <[exa]> | which might kinda sound like an oxymoron, right |
| 2026-06-17 19:27:21 +0000 | <[exa]> | but essentially if your API complexity is insane, servant just does it |
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| 2026-06-17 20:46:08 +0000 | jayanth | (~jayanth@static-98-115-128-109.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 20:55:56 +0000 | <probie> | I don't think twain is dead per se; it feels more like a finished product |
| 2026-06-17 20:56:26 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-06-17 20:57:29 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.222) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-06-17 21:00:46 +0000 | <jaror> | but does it support GHC 9.14 :P |
| 2026-06-17 21:01:46 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 21:03:04 +0000 | takuan | (~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-06-17 21:07:40 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2026-06-17 21:07:57 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2026-06-17 21:11:47 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-06-17 21:27:10 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-06-17 21:33:17 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-06-17 21:35:56 +0000 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |