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| 2025-02-03 05:41:49 +0100 | <sim590> | I just uploaded my first candidate for a Haskell package https://hackage.haskell.org/package/opendht-hs-0.1.0.0/candidate. If anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears. I had, however, a question: why isn't my markdown haskell code block highlighted with syntax highlighting? I took a look at an example hackage pacakage which has a README file and has syntax highlight in his code block: |
| 2025-02-03 05:41:51 +0100 | <sim590> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/highlight-1.0.0.1. Am I doing something wrong or is it just not possible to highlight Haskell code? I tried both with ```hs and ```haskell. |
| 2025-02-03 05:47:11 +0100 | ensyde | (~ensyde@2601:5c6:c200:6dc0::9939) (Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1) |
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| 2025-02-03 05:51:36 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-02-03 05:52:54 +0100 | <int-e> | Hmm it looks like the final page loads `prismjs` but the preview doesn't. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/http-client-tls uses ```haskell |
| 2025-02-03 05:53:47 +0100 | <int-e> | (that was the first package from my browser history that had syntax highlighted example code) |
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| 2025-02-03 06:59:14 +0100 | <sim590> | int-e: oh, so it's only because of the candidate page layout that I don't see the highlight. When I'll publish it, i'll see the highlighting, right ? |
| 2025-02-03 06:59:44 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 07:01:42 +0100 | <sim590> | Looking at the page you sent, that's how I interpret it. That's great. Thanks for the clarification! |
| 2025-02-03 07:02:16 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 07:03:50 +0100 | <int-e> | sim590: That's what it looks like to me. |
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| 2025-02-03 09:19:47 +0100 | <kuribas> | Is there any work on implementing type inference algorithms in prolog or logic languages (minikanren)? |
| 2025-02-03 09:20:22 +0100 | <kuribas> | It seems to me that inference rules lend themselves quite well towards logic programming, but I don't find a lot about this. |
| 2025-02-03 09:20:28 +0100 | <kuribas> | Maybe because it is inefficient? |
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| 2025-02-03 09:27:55 +0100 | <kuribas> | Also, prolog doesn't have occurs check. |
| 2025-02-03 09:30:03 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | simple prolog rules without cut can be directly translated to TeX inference rules with nothing more than a few regexes, but I'm not sure about the other way round |
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| 2025-02-03 09:35:57 +0100 | <kuribas> | tomsmeding: I want to write them as an inductive data family in idris, then use elaborator reflection to translate them automatically. |
| 2025-02-03 09:36:12 +0100 | <kuribas> | Maybe a simple scheme/clojure macro to make it look nicer. |
| 2025-02-03 09:37:51 +0100 | <kuribas> | tomsmeding: I am just surprised, because it seems much easier to prove right than a full blown algorithm that includes logic variables and unification. |
| 2025-02-03 09:38:11 +0100 | <kuribas> | Of course, it doesn't prove the underlying logic system correct, but I don't really care about that. |
| 2025-02-03 09:38:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | if you can indeed express them very naturally in the logic language :) |
| 2025-02-03 09:39:03 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | if it turns out that the logic language is not quite expressive enough to do what you want and you end up needing to work around that, I'm not sure the result will really be much simpler than a straight implementation in a regular (functional) language |
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| 2025-02-03 09:42:48 +0100 | <kuribas> | tomsmeding: The type becomes the relation proposition, and the values the dependencies. |
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| 2025-02-03 09:43:46 +0100 | drdo6 | drdo |
| 2025-02-03 09:44:00 +0100 | <kuribas> | tomsmeding: it seems quite straigtforward. |
| 2025-02-03 09:44:11 +0100 | <kuribas> | Just basic logic relations, I don't see what more I will need. |
| 2025-02-03 09:44:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you were already worrying about the occurs check above |
| 2025-02-03 09:44:41 +0100 | <kuribas> | Right :) If I use minikanren or core.logic, then the occurs check is on by default. |
| 2025-02-03 09:45:33 +0100 | <kuribas> | oh, there is even kanren in rust. |
| 2025-02-03 09:45:43 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | also it depends a little bit on what type system you're implementing, I think. If you look at a resource-linear type system, you have rules like: {A |- t1 : a -> b B |- t2 : a} / {A, B |- t1 t2 : b} |
| 2025-02-03 09:45:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | indicating the horizontal bar with '/' |
| 2025-02-03 09:46:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | this types function application; the point is that you need to partition the environment over the two subexpressions |
| 2025-02-03 09:46:32 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | and you're allowed to (implicitly in the rule) reorder the environment arbitrarily before said partitioning |
| 2025-02-03 09:47:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | on the other hand, perhaps this just works perfectly fine in a logic system |
| 2025-02-03 09:48:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (if you want to see the whole type system: Fig 2 + Fig 3 from https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=24c850390fba27fc6f3241cb34ce7bc6f37… ) |
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| 2025-02-03 09:48:43 +0100 | <kuribas> | Right, but then the context is part of the relation. |
| 2025-02-03 09:48:43 +0100 | <kuribas> | Maybe using a "merge" relation to merge contexts. |
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| 2025-02-03 12:50:39 +0100 | <mreh> | is there a way to turn a Addr# into a Ptr? |
| 2025-02-03 12:51:17 +0100 | <mreh> | or `UArray i a` into a `Ptr a` |
| 2025-02-03 12:55:09 +0100 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 12:57:04 +0100 | <int-e> | :t GHC.Exts.Ptr |
| 2025-02-03 12:57:04 +0100 | <lambdabot> | GHC.Prim.Addr# -> GHC.Ptr.Ptr a |
| 2025-02-03 12:57:31 +0100 | <int-e> | make sure the array is frozen if you want to do this |
| 2025-02-03 12:57:43 +0100 | <int-e> | err |
| 2025-02-03 12:58:25 +0100 | <mreh> | int-e: ah, I missed that, thanks |
| 2025-02-03 12:58:29 +0100 | <int-e> | pinned is the point |
| 2025-02-03 12:59:43 +0100 | <int-e> | (So you probably shouldn't do that for an UArray because you have no control over whether the underlying ByteAray# is pinned or not. If it's not pinned, GCs can move it.) |
| 2025-02-03 13:00:49 +0100 | <int-e> | (And when you're writing Haskell code, GC can happen essentially anywhere.) |
| 2025-02-03 13:01:59 +0100 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) euphores |
| 2025-02-03 13:02:07 +0100 | <mreh> | hmm, yeah |
| 2025-02-03 13:03:02 +0100 | <mreh> | I need to a lot of inplace updates to improve the performance of a TGA parser |
| 2025-02-03 13:03:17 +0100 | <mreh> | and then spit it up into a Vulkan buffer |
| 2025-02-03 13:03:33 +0100 | <mreh> | so I figured STUArray was the way to go |
| 2025-02-03 13:06:09 +0100 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) SlackCoder |
| 2025-02-03 13:09:00 +0100 | monochrm | (trebla@216.138.220.146) |
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| 2025-02-03 13:10:38 +0100 | monochrm | monochrom |
| 2025-02-03 13:13:20 +0100 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a05:5800:26f:a800:ca4b:d6ff:fec1:99da) CiaoSen |
| 2025-02-03 13:19:03 +0100 | <int-e> | mreh: if this is just at the FFI boundary, GHC has an extension to pass ByteArray# variants as pointers, so you don't have to convert to Addr# or Ptr a at all: https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/ffi.html#unlifted-ffi-types |
| 2025-02-03 13:20:24 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-02-03 13:22:11 +0100 | <mreh> | int-e: It's a little above the FFI, I'm using Vulkan bindings someone else wrote. |
| 2025-02-03 13:23:04 +0100 | <mreh> | ...which give you a `Ptr a` for a chunk of mapped memory for use in buffers |
| 2025-02-03 13:23:17 +0100 | <mreh> | there might be a lower level API, just checking |
| 2025-02-03 13:24:34 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 13:28:13 +0100 | <smiesner> | what is Hydra exactly? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hydra. What do I transform with it? models? meta models? |
| 2025-02-03 13:28:37 +0100 | <int-e> | Ah. Hrm. I'd think the low-level API is Storable. Maybe Data.Vector.Storable.Mutable is a good higher level abstraction for your purposes? |
| 2025-02-03 13:28:44 +0100 | <int-e> | mreh: ^ |
| 2025-02-03 13:29:53 +0100 | <lxsameer> | is there any way to write a polymorphic function like foo :: a -> Text but limit a to only couple of types? |
| 2025-02-03 13:30:20 +0100 | <mauke> | what, like show? |
| 2025-02-03 13:31:24 +0100 | <lxsameer> | mauke: I have two type A and B, I want foo to accept either of them as input |
| 2025-02-03 13:31:28 +0100 | <mreh> | int-e: I guess I'm trying to avoid doing allocations for every pixel |
| 2025-02-03 13:31:59 +0100 | <mreh> | lxsameer: Multiparameter type class? |
| 2025-02-03 13:32:01 +0100 | <int-e> | mreh: sure, that's why you want to use ST (or IO) |
| 2025-02-03 13:32:12 +0100 | <int-e> | mreh: and mutable arrays of vectors |
| 2025-02-03 13:32:29 +0100 | <lxsameer> | mreh: maybe. thank you |
| 2025-02-03 13:32:38 +0100 | <mauke> | is that a yes or a no? |
| 2025-02-03 13:33:17 +0100 | <lxsameer> | mauke: is that for me? |
| 2025-02-03 13:34:54 +0100 | <mreh> | int-e: I immediately went to unboxed arrays, for some reason, but this is a good idea |
| 2025-02-03 13:34:59 +0100 | <mreh> | thanks |
| 2025-02-03 13:35:26 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Read error: Connection timed out) |
| 2025-02-03 13:35:40 +0100 | rvalue- | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) rvalue |
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| 2025-02-03 13:37:24 +0100 | <mreh> | if ST is deterministic what does Data-Vector-Storable-Mutable.new do with unitialised memory? |
| 2025-02-03 13:37:51 +0100 | <merijn> | mreh: Crash, presumably :p |
| 2025-02-03 13:38:57 +0100 | <merijn> | And/or return garbage |
| 2025-02-03 13:39:35 +0100 | <mreh> | apparently storables have a zero |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:19 +0100 | <int-e> | mreh: it initializes all bytes to 0, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/vector-0.13.2.0/docs/src/Data.Vector.Storable.Mutable.html#sto… |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:21 +0100 | <mreh> | it doesn't matter, I'm going to write to every element, thanks everyone |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:32 +0100 | <mreh> | int-e: yeah, just trying to grok that now |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:34 +0100 | <mreh> | thanks again! |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:36 +0100 | <int-e> | there's unsafeNew that skips that step |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:45 +0100 | <mreh> | oh, handy |
| 2025-02-03 13:40:47 +0100 | <int-e> | and it's unsafe precisely because of that |
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| 2025-02-03 15:36:59 +0100 | <dminuoso> | lxsameer: Well yes, constraints are the way you limit polymorphic values to specific types (namely those that you have instances for) |
| 2025-02-03 15:38:48 +0100 | <dminuoso> | And Show is a typical `turn things into strings` example anyway. You do not need MPTC for this. |
| 2025-02-03 15:38:52 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Just a plain old typeclass. |
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| 2025-02-03 15:58:23 +0100 | <carbolymer> | can I simplify this pattern: https://play.haskell.org/saved/nAhyanfL |
| 2025-02-03 15:58:33 +0100 | <carbolymer> | I mean, is it possible :D |
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| 2025-02-03 16:23:23 +0100 | <ski> | kuribas : doing generalization can be a problem |
| 2025-02-03 16:23:24 +0100 | <ski> | tomsmeding : well, you could use Lolli (linear logic programming language), for that resource splitting |
| 2025-02-03 16:26:20 +0100 | eL_Bart0 | (eL_Bart0@dietunichtguten.org) |
| 2025-02-03 16:29:26 +0100 | <ski> | mm, but yes, you could either put the context as another parameter of the judgement relation. or push that to the (linear) meta-logic |
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| 2025-02-03 16:51:49 +0100 | <Athas> | I am getting quite depressed at how annoying it is becoming to statically link GHC with Nixpkgs. It is teethering on the bring of being so complicated that I cannot justify learning how to do it. |
| 2025-02-03 16:52:53 +0100 | <carbolymer> | tbf it's quite easy with haskell.nix |
| 2025-02-03 16:53:22 +0100 | <carbolymer> | ah, link ghc |
| 2025-02-03 16:53:32 +0100 | <carbolymer> | I understood that you're trying to build your program |
| 2025-02-03 16:54:00 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: statically link ghc, or statically link your own program with ghc? |
| 2025-02-03 16:54:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | for the latter: https://hasufell.github.io/posts/2024-04-21-static-linking.html (disclaimer: I haven't tried this, but it seems a lot more convenient than being forced to use nix) |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | carbolymer: you can make f an inline lambda function :p |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | haskell is composable |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:31 +0100 | <carbolymer> | tomsmeding: with viewpatterns? |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | pattern Foo' s i <- (\(Foo s i) -> (s, i + length s) -> (s, i)) |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:39 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you're already using viewpatterns |
| 2025-02-03 16:57:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the next step is just doing what you can always do in haskell: if you have `f = ...` then you can replace uses of `f` with `...` |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:02 +0100 | <carbolymer> | ah I can chain them |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | no this is not a chain |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:08 +0100 | <carbolymer> | i.e. -> thing -> other thing |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the first arrow is a regular lambda arrow |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the second is a ViewPattern arrow |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:18 +0100 | <carbolymer> | oh wait |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:19 +0100 | <carbolymer> | right |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:27 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I recommend you put parentheses around the lambda |
| 2025-02-03 16:58:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but I didn't because it looks funny without |
| 2025-02-03 16:59:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (and while you _can_ chain ViewPatterns, if you brain allows it, they would chain to the right, because the right-hand side of the ViewPatterns `->` is again a pattern, which could be a ViewPattern if you so desire) |
| 2025-02-03 16:59:23 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: the latter, sorry. |
| 2025-02-03 16:59:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | then see maerwald's post that I linked |
| 2025-02-03 17:00:07 +0100 | <Athas> | That adds yet another piece of infrastructure (docker, alpine). |
| 2025-02-03 17:00:26 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you need alpine I guess, but no need for docker, bwrap works fine enough |
| 2025-02-03 17:00:43 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but I guess my threshold for bwrap is a lot smaller because I already know how it works from the playground :) |
| 2025-02-03 17:00:53 +0100 | <Athas> | Then I need to learn how to use alpine, and perhaps I need a library that is not in alpine (or not statically linked), etc. It doesn't look like an easy path. |
| 2025-02-03 17:01:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what system libraries do you need? |
| 2025-02-03 17:01:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the haskell stuff would just come from ghcup |
| 2025-02-03 17:01:25 +0100 | <Athas> | Not system libraries, necessarily - other libraries. gplk is one I needed recently. |
| 2025-02-03 17:01:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I see |
| 2025-02-03 17:01:48 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: Try haskell.nix |
| 2025-02-03 17:02:15 +0100 | <Athas> | Today I did manage to bump Nixpkgs while preserving static compilation, but only by using an older version of elfutils, as the newest version apparently doesn't support static linking. |
| 2025-02-03 17:02:20 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: It is dead trivial to statically link haskell programs, you dont have to suffer from this incoherent manually managed sort-of stackage resolver clone |
| 2025-02-03 17:02:42 +0100 | <dminuoso> | and nixpkgs bumps dont regularly interfere with your build plans. |
| 2025-02-03 17:03:03 +0100 | <carbolymer> | yeah, haskell.nix has pinned nixpkgs |
| 2025-02-03 17:03:04 +0100 | <Athas> | Nixpkgs bumps never interfere, as I pin with niv. |
| 2025-02-03 17:03:22 +0100 | <Athas> | Perhaps it is time to investigate haskell.nix again. I remember rejecting it once, but not clearly why. |
| 2025-02-03 17:03:30 +0100 | eL_Bart0 | (eL_Bart0@dietunichtguten.org) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 17:03:53 +0100 | <Athas> | I did like building with Nixpkgs because my project is also *in* Nixpkgs as a derivation, and using it myself increased the odds I would notice breakage. |
| 2025-02-03 17:04:12 +0100 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-128-2-112.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-02-03 17:04:15 +0100 | <dminuoso> | fair. |
| 2025-02-03 17:04:33 +0100 | supercode | (~supercode@user/supercode) supercode |
| 2025-02-03 17:04:42 +0100 | <Athas> | But perhaps that advantage is not that great. Depends on whether nixpkgs continues to cause me trouble! |
| 2025-02-03 17:04:46 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: Were you following nh2's guide? |
| 2025-02-03 17:05:14 +0100 | <Athas> | dminuoso: no, I found that guide impossible to understand. I wrote my own. |
| 2025-02-03 17:05:31 +0100 | <Athas> | I am doing this: https://sigkill.dk/blog/2024-05-22-static-linking-on-nix-with-ghc96.html |
| 2025-02-03 17:07:29 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: Also regarding interference, this is not about niv but rather nixpkgs pinning hackage versions to some arbitrary stuff that mostly works together, but sometimes does not. |
| 2025-02-03 17:07:49 +0100 | <Athas> | dminuoso: yeah, but I actually care very much about my code working with precisely those versions. |
| 2025-02-03 17:07:59 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Yeah fair enough. |
| 2025-02-03 17:08:00 +0100 | <Athas> | (But not so much that I bump nixpkgs all that often.) |
| 2025-02-03 17:08:11 +0100 | <Athas> | It's a land of contrasts and hypocrisy. |
| 2025-02-03 17:08:29 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Haskell and nix are not fun together, in my experience. :( |
| 2025-02-03 17:08:59 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what is the source of all this madness again? That system linkers are unable to statically link some libraries in, but keep some others as dynamic instead? |
| 2025-02-03 17:09:25 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (hence needing to statically link libc if you want to statically link anything, and you can't statically link glibc, hence you need to use alpine with musl or something?) |
| 2025-02-03 17:09:43 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: I am linking all-statically. I think it is just that static linking is not fashionable, so it is not a well tested path. That is probably why something broke in elfutils. |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:01 +0100 | <Athas> | I even link statically with glibc! It works fine if you understand the caveats. |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:03 +0100 | <carbolymer> | tomsmeding: thanks, that lambda trick works. I can never wrap my brain around mixing viewpatterns and regular haskell syntax |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:23 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: So you're trying to statically link elfutils into your haskell binary?? |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:29 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Sorry for the double question mark. |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:43 +0100 | <Athas> | dminuoso: I have to, don't I? GHC depends on libdw and libdw depends on elfutils. |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:49 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: then what's nix necessary for? Getting static versions of a bunch of C libraries you need? |
| 2025-02-03 17:10:56 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: yes. |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:01 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Athas: Hold on, Im confused. |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:08 +0100 | <dminuoso> | 15:59:23 Athas │ tomsmeding: the latter, sorry. |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | heh |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:20 +0100 | <dminuoso> | But what you just said suggests you want a statically linked GHC binary |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:24 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Which one is it? |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:34 +0100 | <Athas> | Tom Sydney mentions that you can compile GHC without DWARF support, and I guess that's what I'll eventually have to figure out how to do. |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:45 +0100 | <Athas> | I don't care about the linking of GHC. I want to statically link my Haskell program. |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (isn't the GHC-without-DWARF the _default_?) |
| 2025-02-03 17:11:57 +0100 | <Athas> | Not in Nixpkgs. |
| 2025-02-03 17:12:00 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ah. |
| 2025-02-03 17:12:16 +0100 | <Athas> | Maybe not anywhere? My understanding is that GHC-with-DWARF is the default since 9.6. |
| 2025-02-03 17:12:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | O.o |
| 2025-02-03 17:14:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | doesn't appear in any of the 9.6.* release notes |
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| 2025-02-03 17:21:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: I think dminuoso's point was that while elfutils is a dependency of GHC, statically linking your program should not need a statically-linked GHC, and hence should not need statically linking elfutils in the first place |
| 2025-02-03 17:22:32 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: it is a dependency of the GHC RTS. |
| 2025-02-03 17:22:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ah |
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| 2025-02-03 17:23:23 +0100 | <Athas> | I assume it's the reason GHC produces better stack traces now, but I don't need that for my release executables anyway. |
| 2025-02-03 17:23:45 +0100 | <Athas> | The only reason I didn't disable it is because I can't figure out how to override the GHC configuration in Nixpkgs. |
| 2025-02-03 17:24:03 +0100 | <Athas> | (I did not look very diligently, however.) |
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