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2024-11-08 00:06:47 +0100 <yin> this is fun!: i have a bidirectional pattern synonym and try to use record update syntax like `MyPattern { x = ... }` i can get the error `constructor MyPattern does not have field 'x'`
2024-11-08 00:07:10 +0100 <yin> the solution: `(MyPattern) { x = ... }`
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2024-11-08 00:08:24 +0100 <yin> this feels kind of lispy
2024-11-08 00:09:42 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-11-08 00:10:51 +0100 <yin> also feels like PatternSynonyms could be patched to allow the former
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2024-11-08 00:32:34 +0100 <c_wraith> that definitely sounds like a feature it should have.
2024-11-08 00:32:54 +0100 <c_wraith> If it allows you to create a record pattern, it should use the same syntax as a record pattern...
2024-11-08 00:33:05 +0100 <monochrom> To me it feels like kind of CPP. "#define add(x,y) ((x)+(y))" :)
2024-11-08 00:33:49 +0100 <monochrom> PPP = pattern pre-processor >:)
2024-11-08 00:36:51 +0100 <geekosaur> record update syntax is a bit weird
2024-11-08 00:37:38 +0100 <c_wraith> like at the parser level?
2024-11-08 00:37:41 +0100 <monochrom> It's probably a simple oversight in the parser.
2024-11-08 00:38:00 +0100Leary(~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) Leary
2024-11-08 00:39:37 +0100 <geekosaur> yeh, it's probably missing a case for patsyns so it makes you fall into the parenthesized expression case
2024-11-08 00:42:09 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-11-08 00:44:33 +0100JuanDaugherty(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty
2024-11-08 00:44:34 +0100 <geekosaur> they left
2024-11-08 00:44:38 +0100 <geekosaur> whoops
2024-11-08 00:47:13 +0100 <geekosaur> anyway it sounds like someone should file a bug on gitlab
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2024-11-08 00:57:10 +0100L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
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2024-11-08 01:44:56 +0100 <yin> point me to the right place to file it and i will
2024-11-08 01:46:01 +0100 <geekosaur> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues you will need a GitLab account
2024-11-08 01:46:26 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-11-08 01:51:03 +0100 <yin> why am i being asked for gitlab login credentials on haskell.org?
2024-11-08 01:51:10 +0100 <yin> this can't be right
2024-11-08 01:51:51 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2024-11-08 01:52:42 +0100 <geekosaur> because browsers are dumb? I get that all the time, chrome asks me whether I want to use wiki or gitlab creds
2024-11-08 01:53:00 +0100 <geekosaur> because "obviously" a subdomain is the same auth domain
2024-11-08 01:53:18 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-11-08 01:56:14 +0100 <yin> no this is not the right way to do auth
2024-11-08 01:56:49 +0100 <yin> either someone made a mistake or i'm misunderstanding something
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2024-11-08 01:59:19 +0100 <geekosaur> that might be a question for #haskell-infrastructure then
2024-11-08 01:59:42 +0100 <yin> ah, this is not OAuth for gitlab.com. it's just for haskell.org's gitlab instance
2024-11-08 01:59:45 +0100 <user363627> yin: the gitlab login credentials being asked would be for the instance being served at gitlab.haskell.org as opposed to gitlab.com
2024-11-08 01:59:54 +0100 <user363627> yes
2024-11-08 02:00:16 +0100 <yin> so i was misunderstanding something after all :)
2024-11-08 02:00:25 +0100 <user363627> :)
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2024-11-08 02:01:53 +0100 <monochrom> Tangentailly, a few days ago some of us learned that DNS is not suffix-closed, i.e., subscriptions.techstreet.com resolves fine, but techstreet.com does not exist at all.
2024-11-08 02:02:13 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-11-08 02:02:23 +0100 <geekosaur> …approved
2024-11-08 02:02:52 +0100 <yin> yeah you can mess with DNS records in a myriad of ways
2024-11-08 02:04:01 +0100 <yin> i personaly thing the whole of DNS is broken in more ways than one, but yeah...
2024-11-08 02:04:08 +0100 <monochrom> Haha I need to make a website such that www.monochrom.org says "Haskell is great!" and yet monochrom.org says "Haskell sucks!"
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2024-11-08 02:17:34 +0100 <yin> better yet, make http:// suck and https:// great
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2024-11-08 02:27:49 +0100 <probie> monochrom: you don't need to mess with DNS records for that, you just need to speak HTTP >= 1.1
2024-11-08 02:28:59 +0100 <monochrom> That's true.
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2024-11-08 03:03:09 +0100 <yin> it depends on how much you want it to suck >:)
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2024-11-08 05:24:06 +0100ih1d_(~ih1d@24.139.109.18)
2024-11-08 05:24:22 +0100 <ih1d_> hello!
2024-11-08 05:25:05 +0100 <ih1d_> anybody have good resources for ffi and linking c libraries to projects (using pkg-config etc.)
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2024-11-08 05:49:34 +0100 <jackdk> ih1d_: if you don't mind GPL, you could crib https://git.sr.ht/~jack/libtelnet-haskell - it's a simple lib with a pkg-config dependency
2024-11-08 05:50:07 +0100 <jackdk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95WtkWCmKg I think this FFI talk was the one I saw years ago and thought was valuable
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2024-11-08 05:54:57 +0100 <int-e> There are many FFI bindings on Hackage that you could base this on. There's a question of scale... if there are many functions to bind, looking into c2hs may be worthwhile. Or, if it's humongous, adapting c2hs (gtk does that with gtk2hs-buildtools ...)
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2024-11-08 13:35:58 +0100 <yin> turns out record update syntax is weirder than i thought https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/25456
2024-11-08 13:43:22 +0100poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2024-11-08 13:43:27 +0100 <yin> i thought i got over my hate for record syntax...
2024-11-08 13:44:16 +0100 <Rembane> Welcome back yin! :/
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2024-11-08 13:52:04 +0100 <yin> philosophically, are records just a data structure that we give the compiler permission to optimize however it sees fit or is there something more to it?
2024-11-08 13:52:24 +0100 <kqr> Text.Printf does not come with an instance for Text. When I poke around I see some suggestions to use Data.Text.Format instead. Is this actually preferred? I find very little comparison online. The use case is not large templating but creating a Show instance for a custom numeric type – so I'm hesitant to reach for something that's not in base.
2024-11-08 13:53:22 +0100 <Rembane> yin: IIRC it's syntactic sugar for not having to write out all the access functions and save functions for a datatype.
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2024-11-08 13:56:39 +0100 <yin> Rembane: yes but how is their structure implemented internally?
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2024-11-08 13:57:06 +0100BolzmannPain(~BolzmannP@user/BolzmannPain) BolzmannPain
2024-11-08 13:57:13 +0100 <opqdonut> I wouldn't expect using or not using record syntax to affect the runtime characteristics
2024-11-08 13:57:39 +0100 <opqdonut> but I have no idea what GHC actually does
2024-11-08 13:57:45 +0100 <Rembane> yin: As product types plus some functions. Like the `data` types with many arguments without the record stuff.
2024-11-08 13:57:57 +0100 <Leary> yin: It's a matter of interface, not representation. With regular product types, you only have positional notation for manipulating contained values. Records just let you specify them with names instead.
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2024-11-08 14:01:14 +0100 <yin> i guess i'm thinking about the performance of product types in general comparing to, say, HashMap
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2024-11-08 14:03:14 +0100 <yin> maybe i abuse record updating
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