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2024-04-30 01:30:20 +0200[Leary](~Leary]@user/Leary/x-0910699)
2024-04-30 01:31:31 +0200 <c_wraith> Just spent hours tracking down an emergency production issue caused by a 10-year-old type issue that was never exercised. I wish $dayjob used a language that actually cares about that..
2024-04-30 01:33:34 +0200 <geekosaur> oy
2024-04-30 01:33:49 +0200 <waldo> what is this $dayjob thing
2024-04-30 01:33:56 +0200 <waldo> it appears in ##rust also
2024-04-30 01:34:02 +0200 <c_wraith> the thing that finances my life of feeding a cat.
2024-04-30 01:34:56 +0200 <waldo> yeah but why is it used in such close time proximity to the other use in the other channel
2024-04-30 01:35:28 +0200 <waldo> probably a cabal?
2024-04-30 01:35:48 +0200 <waldo> that's how I spend my time these days,
2024-04-30 01:36:03 +0200 <waldo> analyzing irc chat room conversations, trying to find the pattern
2024-04-30 01:36:18 +0200 <waldo> irc chat is like hiv virus isn't it
2024-04-30 01:36:35 +0200 <waldo> maybe I should cut myself off
2024-04-30 01:36:42 +0200 <c_wraith> probably a good idea
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2024-04-30 01:41:40 +0200 <yushyin> odd
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2024-04-30 02:41:32 +0200 <Axman6> very
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2024-04-30 10:48:54 +0200 <ski> tomsmeding : `/topic' ?
2024-04-30 10:53:35 +0200 <tomsmeding> ski: hm?
2024-04-30 11:04:19 +0200 <tomsmeding> :q
2024-04-30 11:04:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> ... oops
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2024-04-30 11:18:55 +0200 <ski> tomsmeding : it doesn't display topic for you, in weechat ?
2024-04-30 11:18:57 +0200califax(~califax@user/califx)
2024-04-30 11:20:21 +0200 <tomsmeding> it does
2024-04-30 11:20:29 +0200 <tomsmeding> what made you think that?
2024-04-30 11:21:06 +0200tolt(~kevin@li219-154.members.linode.com)
2024-04-30 11:21:33 +0200 <ski> <tomsmeding> I've learned to read it -- it took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out how to scroll to the end in weechat
2024-04-30 11:21:41 +0200 <tomsmeding> oh
2024-04-30 11:21:51 +0200 <tomsmeding> I see the first screenwidth of the topic above the channel buffer
2024-04-30 11:22:03 +0200 <dminuoso> tomsmeding: And how do you scroll to the end in weechat?
2024-04-30 11:22:08 +0200 <tomsmeding> (and also the whole thing on join, but I don't often first-time-join a channel ;) )
2024-04-30 11:22:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> dminuoso: by using the mouse scroll wheel when the mouse is on that line in the terminal (!)
2024-04-30 11:22:25 +0200cashew(~cashewsta@65.17.175.150) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2024-04-30 11:22:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> there's also a bizarrely obscure keybind for it iirc
2024-04-30 11:22:46 +0200 <dminuoso> Oh I have mouse mode turned off, because I cant deal with it.
2024-04-30 11:22:47 +0200 <ncf> /set weechat.bar.title.size_max 3
2024-04-30 11:22:56 +0200 <ski> yea, just saying you can, at least in Irssi, repeat the whole topic, with `/topic', and i'd imagine also in weechat
2024-04-30 11:22:56 +0200 <dminuoso> It just does.. things and confuses me
2024-04-30 11:23:03 +0200 <tomsmeding> and have it take up more than 1 line of my screen? no thanks :)
2024-04-30 11:23:17 +0200 <tomsmeding> ski: right, /topic indeed also repeats it
2024-04-30 11:23:25 +0200 <dminuoso> But yeah, I just use /topic
2024-04-30 11:23:41 +0200skibound `C-home' and `C-end' to scroll to top and bottom of scrollback buffer
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2024-04-30 11:25:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> dminuoso: F10 to scroll forward, F9 to scroll back
2024-04-30 11:25:48 +0200 <tomsmeding> (found by spelunking in /key list)
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2024-04-30 11:30:19 +0200 <tomsmeding> I have a (haskell) function that allocates a whole bunch of data on the heap, and another function that consumes it all again. I know that all data in that particular data structure will be live until the second function consumes it, and the data ought to be kept live as long as the second function is live (it has a pointer to it in its closure); it's pointless for the GC to traverse the data
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2024-04-30 11:30:21 +0200 <tomsmeding> structure while the second function is still live
2024-04-30 11:30:51 +0200 <tomsmeding> and because the structure is large, the GC actually takes a long time to traverse it, and repeatedly does so while it's being constructed -- lots of wasted cpu cycles
2024-04-30 11:31:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> the thing is, 1. I'm allocating that structure in parallel, and 2. it has lots of internal sharing
2024-04-30 11:31:25 +0200tolt(~kevin@li219-154.members.linode.com)
2024-04-30 11:31:37 +0200 <tomsmeding> I'd like to use a compact region, but that doesn't apply here because of (1.) and (2.), right?
2024-04-30 11:32:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> (GC is really taking up a significant percentage of the runtime here, like >60%, so it really matters)
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2024-04-30 12:41:55 +0200 <probie> Does anyone have strong opinions where test data should go? Should it go under /test and coexist with source files, or should it live somewhere else?
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2024-04-30 13:12:43 +0200 <[exa]> probie: tbh best to have them generated with some program in test/ because it gives others a chance to generate harsher test data
2024-04-30 13:15:04 +0200 <[exa]> but other than that good question, I only see cabal specifying the actual data files (like the ones that would get installed and sourced with `getDataFileName`
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2024-04-30 13:59:09 +0200 <haskellbridge> <m​aralorn> Dear Lens experts: Can you please tell me how to implement an indexedAdjoin for indexedtraversals in the lens library? I thought maybe it isn’t possible, but optics has iadjoin and I also see no reason for it to be impossible.
2024-04-30 14:01:10 +0200 <haskellbridge> <m​aralorn> Huh, maybe I can just copy the implementation from optics. It seems to go via van Laarhoven lenses anyway.
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2024-04-30 14:22:38 +0200 <Axman6> what're the types you're looking for?
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2024-04-30 14:30:10 +0200 <haskellbridge> <m​aralorn> Axman6: IndexedTraversal' i s a -> IndexedTraversal' i s a -> IndexedTraversal' i s a?
2024-04-30 14:31:19 +0200 <ncf> maybe you can start by defining an indexed lensProduct and then mimic the definition from Control.Lens.Unsound?
2024-04-30 14:35:05 +0200AlexNoo(~AlexNoo@94.233.240.47)
2024-04-30 14:41:23 +0200 <haskellbridge> <m​aralorn> I think I got something.
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2024-04-30 14:41:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <m​aralorn> iadjoin tv1 tv2 = lensProduct (partsOf (tv1 . withIndex)) (partsOf (tv2 . withIndex)) . both . each . itraversed
2024-04-30 14:43:20 +0200 <ncf> heh, i guess that works
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2024-04-30 18:05:26 +0200 <shapr> @quote
2024-04-30 18:05:26 +0200 <lambdabot> Ezla says: Why does Haskell need so many thunks?
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2024-04-30 18:14:40 +0200 <danza> @quote again
2024-04-30 18:14:41 +0200 <lambdabot> Baughn says: From my point of view, anyone who understands everything ghc can do is /scary/. I'm sure that will change once I reach that level myself, but then again, there's also the possibility
2024-04-30 18:14:41 +0200 <lambdabot> that I'll be in a permanent state of autophobia.
2024-04-30 18:15:06 +0200 <danza> :D
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2024-04-30 18:21:46 +0200 <yin> TIL about autophobia
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2024-04-30 18:34:49 +0200 <dminuoso> Haskell - where indenting a type signature lifts.. it well to the value level.
2024-04-30 18:35:12 +0200 <dminuoso> Not just that, but in my specific code example, it altered the code, and type checked too.
2024-04-30 18:35:32 +0200 <dminuoso> What a strange experience.
2024-04-30 18:36:02 +0200 <danza> sounds like consistent design...
2024-04-30 18:36:28 +0200 <yin> dminuoso: how?
2024-04-30 18:36:34 +0200 <danza> but what you mean by "it altered the code"?
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2024-04-30 18:40:40 +0200 <yin> i am not a fan of the layout rules but i can't picture such a case
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2024-04-30 18:43:05 +0200 <dminuoso> Oh yeah let me try and derive a motivating example that I can share
2024-04-30 18:47:01 +0200 <dminuoso> Okay this is a bit more elaborate, but basically I had a polyvariadic typeclass trick going on, and indending the subsequent top level type signature placed it as an argument into the last (nested) where binding
2024-04-30 18:50:19 +0200 <dminuoso> Though its conceivable that bindings of type `(t -> t) -> t -> t` (without an explicit type signature) could fall into this trap as well
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2024-04-30 18:50:41 +0200 <dminuoso> Or `t -> t` even, stuff of that shape
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2024-04-30 19:15:13 +0200 <yin> ah i see
2024-04-30 19:15:26 +0200 <yin> multiline signatures i'm guessing
2024-04-30 19:20:35 +0200 <yin> or maybe i'm misunderstanding
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2024-04-30 20:09:39 +0200 <justsomeguy> Can someone help me understand how fmap can be implemented in terms of (\f xs -> xs >>= return . f)?