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2024-05-17 09:42:11 +0200 <Hecate> Rembane: yoooo
2024-05-17 09:42:15 +0200 <Hecate> what's up?
2024-05-17 09:45:18 +0200danza(~francesco@fi-19-216-22.service.infuturo.it) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-05-17 09:45:43 +0200 <[exa]> hey guys, is there a way to paste clipboard to the play.haskell.org code textarea on cellphones? This might be me becoming obsolete but I can't find a way to do that, the editor blocks the usual "hold select & paste" way
2024-05-17 09:46:06 +0200 <[exa]> "on cellphones" I mean android in this case
2024-05-17 09:46:15 +0200 <[exa]> cc tomsmeding ^
2024-05-17 09:46:46 +0200sawilagar(~sawilagar@user/sawilagar)
2024-05-17 09:46:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> [exa]: yeah the mobile experience on the playground is a bit broken because the editor is too clever
2024-05-17 09:46:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> I'm open to suggestions
2024-05-17 09:47:26 +0200 <tomsmeding> I'm not unwilling to just make it a plain <textarea>, but then how to detect whether to do so?
2024-05-17 09:47:29 +0200chele(~chele@user/chele)
2024-05-17 09:48:05 +0200 <tomsmeding> the horizontal vs vertical layout is based on window width, but that makes some kind of sense for layout but is certainly too indirect for something like "has a proper external keyboard"
2024-05-17 09:48:45 +0200 <[exa]> yeah maybe a completely stupid switch like "plain textarea/cool colorcodearea" could do
2024-05-17 09:49:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> there's actually some kind of context menu thing that this fancy editor does where it does offer clipboard actions
2024-05-17 09:49:16 +0200 <[exa]> otoh there us no reason why the editor would block pastes right? so maybe better if I go scream at upstream :)
2024-05-17 09:49:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> but I think I disabled that because it was terribly annoying
2024-05-17 09:50:18 +0200 <[exa]> yeah
2024-05-17 09:51:41 +0200 <[exa]> as a stupid workaround, a button to open a local file would probably do as well
2024-05-17 09:52:11 +0200 <[exa]> what's the editor btw? (quite annoyingly I'm on a cellphone now :D )
2024-05-17 09:52:44 +0200fendor(~fendor@2a02:8388:1605:ce00:24e2:c141:1f86:a346)
2024-05-17 09:53:36 +0200 <tomsmeding> Ace
2024-05-17 09:53:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> https://ace.c9.io/
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2024-05-17 09:58:04 +0200 <[exa]> ah I see
2024-05-17 09:58:24 +0200 <[exa]> yeah really, I cannot paste to the official ace demo
2024-05-17 09:58:43 +0200 <[exa]> but e.g. CodeMirror6 seems to work
2024-05-17 09:58:43 +0200 <tomsmeding> [exa]: do you get the (...) button the right-hand side of the line
2024-05-17 09:59:00 +0200 <tomsmeding> I was using codemirror before because maerwald put that in but I could not make heads or tails of its configuration
2024-05-17 09:59:18 +0200 <tomsmeding> documentation was incomplete, the typescript typing seemed incorrect in places, and there was way too much abstraction
2024-05-17 09:59:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> ace just worked (tm)
2024-05-17 09:59:36 +0200 <tomsmeding> except now this
2024-05-17 10:00:09 +0200 <[exa]> yeah not saying CM would be better :D
2024-05-17 10:00:37 +0200 <[exa]> the ldots button I dont see on play.h.o bot it seems to work on the official site
2024-05-17 10:00:44 +0200 <[exa]> *but
2024-05-17 10:01:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> yeah you don't see it on play.h.o because https://github.com/haskell/play-haskell/blob/master/play-haskell-server/play.mustache#L332-L334 lol
2024-05-17 10:01:16 +0200 <[exa]> what are folks like gitlabs and giteas using?
2024-05-17 10:01:34 +0200 <[exa]> lol
2024-05-17 10:01:36 +0200 <[exa]> ok
2024-05-17 10:01:58 +0200L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah)
2024-05-17 10:01:58 +0200 <tomsmeding> [exa]: removed that css now, reload play.haskell.org
2024-05-17 10:02:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> should I just keep that button?
2024-05-17 10:02:48 +0200 <[exa]> ooh yes it works now
2024-05-17 10:02:51 +0200 <[exa]> thanks!
2024-05-17 10:03:07 +0200 <tomsmeding> the full menu doesn't even fit on my phone's screen
2024-05-17 10:03:13 +0200 <[exa]> lemme check a thing tho
2024-05-17 10:03:16 +0200 <[exa]> yep
2024-05-17 10:03:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> and the menu is weird because there's no visual separator between the buttons etc
2024-05-17 10:03:50 +0200 <tomsmeding> but the mobile experience is bound to be awkward anyway so I'm willing to just keep this as a hack :
2024-05-17 10:03:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> * :p
2024-05-17 10:05:37 +0200barak(~barak@2a0d:6fc2:68c1:7200:e61a:851b:d7b:27e8) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2024-05-17 10:06:43 +0200 <[exa]> yeah apparently that is the same on the official site too
2024-05-17 10:06:49 +0200 <tomsmeding> yeah
2024-05-17 10:07:04 +0200 <[exa]> javascripts. *exhales*
2024-05-17 10:07:21 +0200 <tomsmeding> not sure this is js's fault :)
2024-05-17 10:07:37 +0200 <[exa]> anyway this kinda works and does not seem as annoying as I thought it would be
2024-05-17 10:08:18 +0200 <[exa]> so I guess lets wait if anyone comes here to complain about this stupid 3dot button appearing again :D
2024-05-17 10:11:48 +0200cfricke(~cfricke@user/cfricke)
2024-05-17 10:11:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> [exa]: thanks for complaining :)
2024-05-17 10:13:07 +0200 <[exa]> ah np :) thanks for fixing this
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2024-05-17 12:59:11 +0200 <Guest13> ski I got my memoized recursive function working!
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2024-05-17 13:55:03 +0200 <Rembane> \o/
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2024-05-17 14:30:05 +0200 <[Leary]> Guest13: Speaking of, I got nerdsniped and figured out the dirty version: https://play-haskell.tomsmeding.com/saved/ukgOdGqj
2024-05-17 14:30:40 +0200 <Guest13> ?
2024-05-17 14:31:03 +0200danse-nr3(~danse-nr3@151.46.212.14)
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2024-05-17 14:31:54 +0200 <[Leary]> (the dirty way to memoise a recursive function with a Map)
2024-05-17 14:32:07 +0200 <Guest13> ah what's that?
2024-05-17 14:32:20 +0200 <[Leary]> Check the link?
2024-05-17 14:37:49 +0200 <ski> nice, Guest13 !
2024-05-17 14:38:50 +0200 <Guest13> [Leary] I have no clue what is going on there XD
2024-05-17 14:39:30 +0200 <Guest13> mine looks like:
2024-05-17 14:39:30 +0200 <Guest13> permutationsMemo :: Problem -> (Int, Int, Int) -> Int
2024-05-17 14:39:31 +0200 <Guest13> permutationsMemo problem@(springs, grps) ix@(i, grp, count)
2024-05-17 14:39:31 +0200 <Guest13>   | i < 0 || i > length springs = undefined
2024-05-17 14:39:32 +0200 <Guest13>   | grp < 0 || grp > length grps = undefined
2024-05-17 14:39:32 +0200 <Guest13>   | count < 0 || count > length springs = undefined
2024-05-17 14:39:33 +0200 <Guest13>   | otherwise = memo ! ix
2024-05-17 14:39:33 +0200 <Guest13>   where bounds = ((0,0,0), (length springs, length grps, length springs))
2024-05-17 14:39:34 +0200 <Guest13>         memo = tabulate bounds get
2024-05-17 14:39:34 +0200 <Guest13>         get ixx@(i, grp, count)
2024-05-17 14:39:35 +0200 <Guest13>           | i == length springs = if (count == 0 && grp == length grps) then 1 else endOnHash -- end of springs
2024-05-17 14:39:35 +0200 <Guest13>           | grp == length grps = if ((springs !! i) == Damaged) then 0 else dotCase -- matched all groups
2024-05-17 14:39:36 +0200 <Guest13>           | cur == Operational = dotCase
2024-05-17 14:39:36 +0200 <Guest13>           | cur == Damaged = hashCase
2024-05-17 14:39:37 +0200 <Guest13>           | cur == Unknown = dotCase + hashCase
2024-05-17 14:39:37 +0200 <Guest13>           | otherwise = undefined
2024-05-17 14:39:38 +0200 <Guest13>           where cur = springs !! I
2024-05-17 14:39:38 +0200 <Guest13>                 groupTarget = grps !! grp
2024-05-17 14:39:39 +0200 <yushyin> pls ...
2024-05-17 14:40:28 +0200 <Guest13> sorry ill send a link
2024-05-17 14:43:20 +0200 <Guest13> https://play.haskell.org/saved/WOB84oaz
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2024-05-17 14:45:17 +0200 <Guest13> I have a function "get" which is meant to be the recursive part which refers to the memoized array inside it
2024-05-17 14:45:53 +0200 <Guest13> and my answer is contained within (0,0,0)
2024-05-17 14:46:12 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Quit: = "")
2024-05-17 14:46:39 +0200 <Guest13> it is basically same code as the unmemorised function
2024-05-17 14:47:20 +0200 <Guest13> maybe it would be best to lazily pass the memo to the "get" function and define it somewhere else?
2024-05-17 14:47:49 +0200 <Guest13> so memo = tabulate bounds (get memo)
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2024-05-17 15:32:30 +0200 <ph88> i took this as a starting point https://play.haskell.org/saved/A0jyJ40g ok works. Then i wanted to add another typeclass but ran into trouble https://play.haskell.org/saved/nsO7Fn41 Managed to typecheck it like this https://play.haskell.org/saved/fYRQ1REb but the latter is coupled. Is there a way i can write this code decoupled? (see second snippet)
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2024-05-17 15:40:13 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: I don't really know what you're trying to do, but `class (c1 a, c2 a) => (c1 & c2) a; instance (c1 a, c2 a) => (c1 & c2) a` will allow you to write `Entity (HasDataID & GetMessage)`.
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2024-05-17 15:46:04 +0200 <[Leary]> You may also want to generalise some functions or instances with QuantifiedConstraints; something like `(forall x. cs x => c x, c a) => a -> Entity cs -> ...` will allow you to handle any `Entity (... & c & ...)` uniformly.
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2024-05-17 15:49:40 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], what is that type operator & ?
2024-05-17 15:50:31 +0200 <[Leary]> It's the name of the typeclass I declared.
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2024-05-17 15:54:05 +0200 <ph88> thanks i'll have a look how that works
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2024-05-17 18:57:32 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], something is not quite right https://play.haskell.org/saved/R4jW1YVV
2024-05-17 18:59:34 +0200 <[Leary]> "Use UndecidableSuperClasses to accept this"
2024-05-17 18:59:42 +0200 <monochrom> Again, "instance ... => Foo a" means that every type is a Foo instance. (Oh, the ... conditions are checked later and cause hard errors, not as preconditions.)
2024-05-17 19:00:47 +0200 <monochrom> You should simply enable ConstraintKinds and write "type (&) c1 c2 a = (c1 a, c2 a)"
2024-05-17 19:01:01 +0200 <[Leary]> No, that doesn't suffice for their use-case.
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2024-05-17 19:10:53 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], will allow you to write `Entity (HasDataID & GetMessage)`. Do you mean data Entity ?
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2024-05-17 19:19:31 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: Yes? I mean the type constructor defined by the `data Entity ...` declaration in your first paste.
2024-05-17 19:20:31 +0200 <glguy> Maybe you want to bake the idea of multiple constraints into your entity type? https://play.haskell.org/saved/cMgRB0yD
2024-05-17 19:21:27 +0200 <glguy> I did an example of this style a while back https://github.com/glguy/operations/blob/master/src/Example.hs
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2024-05-17 19:23:03 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], from my second paste https://play.haskell.org/saved/nsO7Fn41 when i move stuff from GetMessage (user part) into data Entity (library part) it defeats the goal. A creative idea nonetheless i will keep it in mind for other situations
2024-05-17 19:24:47 +0200 <ph88> glguy, cool i'll play around with that see how it goes
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2024-05-17 19:41:13 +0200 <ph88> glguy, what are the symbols on line 14 and 20 in the gists ?
2024-05-17 19:42:11 +0200 <glguy> ∈ is pronounced "element of" and ⊆ is pronounced "subset of or equal to"
2024-05-17 19:42:39 +0200 <ph88> by the way, this reminds me of the effectful library, looks similar to how to compose effects
2024-05-17 19:43:06 +0200 <glguy> so on line 14 it's a constraint that Show is an element of the list (cs), 20 is that the list [Show] is a subset of the list cs . They're two ways to do write the same idea
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2024-05-17 19:50:55 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: I think you've misunderstood. The `data` declaration in the library part doesn't need to change, the /user/ just uses the type at `Entity (c & GetMessage)` instead of `Entity c`.
2024-05-17 19:54:46 +0200 <[Leary]> glguy: Just BTW, the bare constraint is already powerful enough without the list. `class Null` ~ []; `class (c1 & c2) a` ~ c1 ++ c2; `type c <: cs = (forall x. cs x => c x) :: Constraint` ~ c subset cs.
2024-05-17 19:58:01 +0200 <[Leary]> Ah, though I guess that subset is actually just elem, due to QuantifiedConstraints limitations.
2024-05-17 19:58:13 +0200 <glguy> that repository predates quantified constraints
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2024-05-17 20:08:38 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], maybe i misunderstood. When i try to use your suggestion i'm not sure how it would work https://play.haskell.org/saved/KPj9Vxob
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2024-05-17 20:30:06 +0200 <ph88> glguy, i adapted your code. It works with 2 constraints. Why does it fail with one? https://play.haskell.org/saved/EAupqGhV
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2024-05-17 20:31:32 +0200 <ph88> glguy, this type checks https://play.haskell.org/saved/EAupqGhV but it carries Op2 into class of Op1 .. they need to be separate
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2024-05-17 20:34:31 +0200 <glguy> ph88: you need '[Op1]
2024-05-17 20:34:39 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: I can't help much when I don't know just what it is you're struggling to achieve---the line where you've commented ?? was already, err, /mysterious/ to me from the start. That said, you probably want `type c <: cs = (forall x. cs x => c x) :: Constraint` (library-side) and `instance GetMessage <: cs => GetMessage (Entity cs)` (user-side).
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2024-05-17 20:38:38 +0200 <ph88> glguy, thanks
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2024-05-17 20:42:12 +0200 <glguy> [Leary]: adapted https://github.com/glguy/operations/blob/quantifiedconstraints/src/Example.hs
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2024-05-17 20:46:00 +0200 <[Leary]> glguy: Nice, looks a bit prettier at least.
2024-05-17 20:46:50 +0200 <glguy> Fwiw I don't recommend using either this or the previous version. It's just exploring the possible
2024-05-17 20:48:36 +0200 <ncf> your ⊆ is backwards
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2024-05-17 20:49:34 +0200 <ncf> oh no i see it's a projection
2024-05-17 20:51:21 +0200 <ncf> like, instead of saying "the cs objects are a subset of the Show objects" (cs ⊆ Show) you're saying "Show is a member of the list of constraints represented by cs, so that you can project it out" (Show ⊆ cs)
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