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2026-01-01 01:06:47 +0100 <janus> [exa]: is it really just MPTC that would require type-level computation interleaved with previous typechecking? or is it about fundeps?
2026-01-01 01:07:51 +0100 <janus> if i understand correctly, fundeps only make sense with MPTC, and since fundeps are so prevalent with mtl, i wonder whether that is why you said MPTC instead of saying fundeps. since for all practical typecheckers, they will need to support both
2026-01-01 01:09:24 +0100 <geekosaur> my understanding is that MPTCs are really only usable with either fundeps or TFs
2026-01-01 01:09:38 +0100 <geekosaur> inference isn't possible otherwise
2026-01-01 01:10:04 +0100 <janus> right. so it's not strictly MPTC that require interleaving
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2026-01-01 01:10:36 +0100 <janus> i still can't imagine a program that would require something like that
2026-01-01 01:13:17 +0100 <janus> maybe the easiest example should be something that uses mtl, and somehow has polymorphic types in both the 'input' and the 'output' type of a fundep. now, the surrounding program somehow determines one of these, and the typechecker should be able to run enough of 'regular' constraints to find out that there is this constraint on input and output
2026-01-01 01:13:38 +0100 <janus> then, it should evaluate the fundep and that should give it enough info to find the 'principal' type
2026-01-01 01:15:02 +0100 <janus> such a program, without interleaving, would have ambiguous types and compilation would fail. since it wouldn't be able to take the 'output' and propagate it to other constraints
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2026-01-01 06:21:21 +0100 <[exa]> janus: yeah I believe the fundeps kinda trigger the computation issue there, but i have no actual proof in hand other than "yeah this is what you do with relations in set theory to turn them to functions"
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2026-01-01 15:10:13 +0100wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot
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2026-01-01 15:24:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 15:44:02 +0100ringo_(~ringo@157.230.117.128) ringo_
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2026-01-01 16:16:49 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2026-01-01 16:21:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-01 16:24:21 +0100karenw(~karenw@user/karenw) (Quit: Deep into that darkness peering...)
2026-01-01 16:25:45 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-01-01 16:27:38 +0100d34db33f(~d34db33f@user/d34db33f) d34db33f
2026-01-01 16:30:53 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-01 16:36:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-01 16:37:54 +0100spew(~spew@user/spew) spew
2026-01-01 16:41:28 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-01 16:50:02 +0100 <oats> are there any mutable ST sets impls out there?
2026-01-01 16:52:33 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-01 16:57:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2026-01-01 17:08:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 17:22:14 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 17:48:34 +0100img(~img@user/img) (Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in)
2026-01-01 17:49:47 +0100img(~img@user/img) img
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2026-01-01 17:57:02 +0100kaskal(~kaskal@2a02:8388:1a8b:7d00:5666:a937:cb77:6c3b) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2026-01-01 17:57:21 +0100kaskal(~kaskal@84-115-235-223.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) kaskal
2026-01-01 17:59:45 +0100AntiRembaneRembane
2026-01-01 18:02:20 +0100karenw(~karenw@user/karenw) karenw
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2026-01-01 18:02:51 +0100karenw(~karenw@user/karenw) karenw
2026-01-01 18:07:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-01 18:09:00 +0100d34db33f(~d34db33f@user/d34db33f) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-01 18:09:21 +0100d34db33f(~d34db33f@user/d34db33f) d34db33f
2026-01-01 18:10:22 +0100 <monochrom> There are mutable hash tables on hackage IIRC.
2026-01-01 18:14:27 +0100bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2026-01-01 19:55:29 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 20:35:17 +0100Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
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2026-01-01 21:15:53 +0100Everything(~Everythin@217.147.163.184) Everything
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2026-01-01 21:25:58 +0100spew(~spew@user/spew) (Quit: nyaa~)
2026-01-01 21:26:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 21:42:03 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 21:58:28 +0100target_i(~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i
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2026-01-01 22:07:30 +0100jmcantrell_(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2026-01-01 22:11:17 +0100bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-01 22:27:14 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-01 22:28:54 +0100ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) ttybitnik
2026-01-01 22:29:14 +0100Pozyomka(~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1)
2026-01-01 22:31:02 +0100 <geekosaur> taking my computer down for a bit to rearrange the mess of power cords under it. bridge will be down
2026-01-01 22:31:55 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-01 22:32:46 +0100CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen
2026-01-01 22:33:52 +0100haskellbridge(~hackager@96.28.224.214) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-01 22:38:49 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-01-01 22:40:10 +0100jmcantrell_jmcantrell
2026-01-01 22:41:00 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2026-01-01 22:43:02 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 22:53:43 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2026-01-01 22:54:03 +0100haskellbridge(~hackager@96.28.224.214) hackager
2026-01-01 22:54:03 +0100ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2026-01-01 22:55:33 +0100 <geekosaur> bridge back up
2026-01-01 22:56:25 +0100 <Rembane> \o/
2026-01-01 22:57:08 +0100 <int-e> \ꙮ/
2026-01-01 22:58:49 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-01 23:08:42 +0100forell(~forell@user/forell) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2026-01-01 23:11:26 +0100forell(~forell@user/forell) forell
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