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2025-11-27 00:00:41 +0100ThePenguin(~ThePengui@cust-95-80-28-221.csbnet.se) ThePenguin
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2025-11-27 00:07:26 +0100 <jreicher> Well I guess at a high level it's all the same thing in the end. If the "smart" system is not an LLM it just means the training data has been fed to the human (in the form of experience and/or user feedback) and the human translates that into the rules (weights) of the system.
2025-11-27 00:09:21 +0100__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving)
2025-11-27 00:10:00 +0100mange(~mange@user/mange) mange
2025-11-27 00:11:52 +0100 <EvanR> AI has been more of a "brand" than a science for a long time
2025-11-27 00:12:24 +0100 <EvanR> AI winter resulted in loss of funding/interest in AI research, if it was called that
2025-11-27 00:12:25 +0100 <jreicher> I feel like now it's becoming a religion. :(
2025-11-27 00:12:41 +0100 <EvanR> meanwhile machine learning continued
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2025-11-27 00:38:11 +0100 <geekosaur> jreicher, that's not entirely true; neural nets can learn from experience
2025-11-27 00:38:29 +0100EvanR(~EvanR@user/evanr) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-11-27 00:39:10 +0100 <geekosaur> they're just poor at reasoning, such that they can learn the wrong pattern (e.g. misrecognize a leopard-print sofa as a leopard)
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2025-11-27 00:47:29 +0100 <jreicher> I know; I'm not being careful with my terminology. I studied neural nets way back when so it was interesting to me to learn about what made LLMs different.
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2025-11-27 01:17:26 +0100 <int-e> geekosaur: the stores have an associated package db?
2025-11-27 01:17:31 +0100Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
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2025-11-27 01:19:47 +0100 <int-e> geekosaur: Oh, found it, <store>/package.db/ ...easy to miss between the packages themselves
2025-11-27 01:20:08 +0100 <int-e> So thanks for that hint, I just found a use for it.
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2025-11-27 01:27:04 +0100 <geekosaur> just look for something not suffixed by a hash 🙂
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