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2025-05-15 00:54:57 +0200 <EvanR> huzzah the actually working this time abstract machine https://paste.tomsmeding.com/jy4QOplV tested fact(5) using basic version and tail recursive version with accumulating parameter
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2025-05-15 01:03:11 +0200 <EvanR> to compile a variable, load it from the environment. to compile a non-recursive let, store something in the environment. to compile a lambda, create a closure with body code and the relevant part of current environment. to compile function application, call a closure with its env prepended by arguments
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2025-05-15 01:04:21 +0200 <EvanR> supports a recursive let binding a lambda special case, by creating a closure with itself placed in its own environment
2025-05-15 01:08:13 +0200Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-05-15 01:08:42 +0200 <EvanR> no need for mutation (in the transition table)
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2025-05-15 06:38:39 +0200 <EvanR> serendipitous use for RWS monad, since the core transition is given as step :: Instr -> VM -> VM and not monadic, but it then can't PRINT anything... split it into R=big vector of instructions, S=VM, W=the output which is used in the PRINT case. Other instructions use modify (step instr)
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2025-05-15 07:45:02 +0200octorez(~octorez@194.32.120.77)
2025-05-15 07:45:23 +0200 <octorez> Hi guys!
2025-05-15 07:45:55 +0200 <octorez> I'm not sure what this is, I was referred here by "Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!"
2025-05-15 07:46:03 +0200 <octorez> Is this like Discord?
2025-05-15 07:46:10 +0200 <octorez> But anonymous?
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2025-05-15 07:49:46 +0200ZLima12(~zlima12@user/meow/ZLima12) ()
2025-05-15 07:50:38 +0200 <mauke> octorez: hi
2025-05-15 07:51:11 +0200 <mauke> I'm not sure what exactly discord is, but IRC is the original internet text chat
2025-05-15 07:51:46 +0200 <mauke> (and by original I mean it is older than the web)
2025-05-15 07:52:27 +0200 <mauke> ah, I see you're using the web chat frontend
2025-05-15 07:54:42 +0200 <mauke> octorez: I guess the answer is: yes, basically, but we don't have voice/video calls, images, reactions, threads, or message history :-)
2025-05-15 07:55:20 +0200 <mauke> (except this channel does keep logs; see link in /topic)
2025-05-15 07:55:44 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> but, unlike Discord this system is free and not profit motivated
2025-05-15 07:56:15 +0200 <mauke> ... and that was someone from Matrix
2025-05-15 07:56:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> yes, you can also access it via the more Discord-like (but free and decentralised) Matrix, a newer chat system
2025-05-15 07:56:54 +0200octorez(~octorez@194.32.120.77) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-05-15 07:57:04 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> glad we cleared that up :)
2025-05-15 07:57:19 +0200 <mauke> :-(
2025-05-15 07:57:40 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> octorez is warming up a better client I'm sure
2025-05-15 07:57:57 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-15 07:58:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> https://sayo-hs.github.io/blog/heftia/heftia-part-1-1/
2025-05-15 07:58:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> I am bullish on this announcement. I like first-principle based approaches.
2025-05-15 08:00:14 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> hah, if only we could invest in effects libraries
2025-05-15 08:01:07 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> > Today, the community seeks a definitive solution that ends the cycle of migration hell.
2025-05-15 08:01:13 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> famous last words!
2025-05-15 08:02:01 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-15 08:02:14 +0200 <mauke> https://xkcd.com/927/
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2025-05-15 08:04:33 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> I know! Until one that does make a leap. I have a good feeling of heftia
2025-05-15 08:05:07 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-05-15 08:05:18 +0200fp(~Thunderbi@2001:708:20:1406::1370) fp
2025-05-15 08:08:02 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> "Performance always has room for improvement, whereas correctness improvements are often impossible due to foundational interface compatibility. "
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2025-05-15 08:12:04 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> "On the other hand, heftia directly implements categorical foundations described in academic papers. What I did was simply translate the types written in Agda from the papers into Haskell, confirm various isomorphisms through equational reasoning."
2025-05-15 08:12:18 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-05-15 08:12:59 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> https://sayo-hs.github.io/blog/heftia/heftia-part-1-3/
2025-05-15 08:13:00 +0200 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/aPfSZruSgxsHgviwfxXfMlWR/T7CzxfQNpDA (3 lines)
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2025-05-15 08:49:39 +0200 <monochrom> EvanR: I know of one more way to support recursive functions. You add one more kind of closures reserved for recursive functions; its environment does not have the self-reference. You add one more case of function application for that new kind of closures, and this is where you patch the environment to add the self-reference.
2025-05-15 08:51:32 +0200infinity0(~infinity0@pwned.gg) infinity0
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2025-05-15 08:59:38 +0200 <monochrom> Err technically not a self-reference. The patch is only good for one level of recursive call. But that's enough because the recursive call has to go through your function application code again where you can patch again for One More Turn.
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2025-05-15 09:00:29 +0200 <monochrom> My https://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~trebla/CSCC24-latest/09-semantics-1.html#rec does that. I think you can translate it to SECD form.
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2025-05-15 09:00:47 +0200 <monochrom> err this is more direct: https://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~trebla/CSCC24-latest/09-semantics-1.html#letrec
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2025-05-15 09:05:54 +0200 <EvanR> oh nice
2025-05-15 09:06:10 +0200 <EvanR> will be reading this
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2025-05-15 10:37:19 +0200 <yin> is it normal that the more i experiment with haskell, the more i want the type system to have a type system?
2025-05-15 10:39:28 +0200 <tomsmeding> % :k Maybe
2025-05-15 10:39:29 +0200 <yahb2> Maybe :: * -> *
2025-05-15 10:44:02 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2025-05-15 10:45:25 +0200 <hellwolf> no on expected the type-in-type inquisition.
2025-05-15 10:46:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> % data Strange = Strange Type
2025-05-15 10:46:02 +0200 <yahb2> <no output>
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2025-05-15 10:47:17 +0200 <hellwolf> Kind in a typed land
2025-05-15 10:47:50 +0200hellwolfthrowing random references
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2025-05-15 11:37:10 +0200 <ski> @kind Eq
2025-05-15 11:37:11 +0200 <lambdabot> * -> Constraint
2025-05-15 11:37:29 +0200 <ski> @kind Functor
2025-05-15 11:37:29 +0200 <lambdabot> (* -> *) -> Constraint
2025-05-15 11:37:48 +0200 <ski> @kind StateT
2025-05-15 11:37:49 +0200 <lambdabot> * -> (* -> *) -> * -> *
2025-05-15 11:38:17 +0200 <ski> yin ^
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2025-05-15 12:43:17 +0200 <yin> what is this, a type system for ants?
2025-05-15 12:43:36 +0200 <yin> it has got to be at least 4 times bigger
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2025-05-15 13:22:08 +0200 <tomsmeding> % :set -XNoStarIsType
2025-05-15 13:22:08 +0200 <yahb2> <no output>
2025-05-15 13:22:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> % :k Maybe
2025-05-15 13:22:11 +0200 <yahb2> Maybe :: Type -> Type
2025-05-15 13:22:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> yin: that big enough for you?
2025-05-15 13:22:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> % length "Type" `div` length "*"
2025-05-15 13:22:25 +0200 <yahb2> 4
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2025-05-15 13:52:39 +0200 <yin> tomsmeding: :)
2025-05-15 13:53:04 +0200 <yin> what's the best resource for getting started with Idris?
2025-05-15 14:05:16 +0200 <merijn> yin: The tutorial? :p
2025-05-15 14:05:59 +0200 <merijn> yin: The tutorial and most introductory Idris stuff is focussed on people coming from Haskell/ML and explaining the differences from there
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2025-05-15 15:16:30 +0200 <haskellbridge> <yin> merijn: ty
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2025-05-15 15:23:03 +0200 <yin> merijn: just to be sure, what do you mean by *the* tutorial?
2025-05-15 15:23:27 +0200 <yin> https://idris2.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial/index.html ?
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2025-05-15 15:35:40 +0200 <Square> hs-source-dirs in cabal cannot be relative it seems?
2025-05-15 15:36:40 +0200 <merijn> Square: How so?
2025-05-15 15:36:51 +0200 <merijn> They are/should be, no?
2025-05-15 15:37:21 +0200 <Square> It could be a haskell + nix problem. But I remember it was a known bug in cabal 2.x
2025-05-15 15:37:35 +0200 <Square> I thought they fixed it in cabal 3
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2025-05-15 15:48:39 +0200 <hellwolf> huh?
2025-05-15 15:48:52 +0200 <hellwolf> do you mean cannot be relative path from parent folders
2025-05-15 15:49:16 +0200 <hellwolf> otherwise, it doesn't make sense, since it's the basic feature.
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2025-05-15 16:00:55 +0200 <Square> hellwolf, exactly. But yeah, could be a nix + haskell issue.
2025-05-15 16:04:00 +0200 <c_wraith> I have never seen a non-relative path in that field
2025-05-15 16:04:43 +0200 <c_wraith> I'm pretty sure that's what has everyone confused by the question. Of course it works with relative paths, that's the only thing anyone ever uses.
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2025-05-15 16:07:02 +0200 <Square> Ok.. to be specific. I cannot have a hs-source-dir that starts with "../some/path"
2025-05-15 16:07:16 +0200 <Square> hs-source-dirs
2025-05-15 16:08:28 +0200 <c_wraith> It sounds like whatever you're trying to do should be solved by cabal.project instead
2025-05-15 16:23:04 +0200 <hellwolf> "relative path from parent folder" as I suspected.
2025-05-15 16:23:16 +0200 <hellwolf> cabal error message should be very clear of that, as far as I remember.
2025-05-15 16:23:41 +0200 <hellwolf> you should use cabal.project to specify a new local project, and let your other local project depend on it.
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2025-05-15 16:30:49 +0200 <merijn> Square: relative paths outside of the root of the cabal file are not allowed an will never be, that's a feature, not a bug
2025-05-15 16:31:06 +0200Xe(~Xe@perl/impostor/xe) Xe
2025-05-15 16:31:10 +0200 <Square> merijn, gotcha
2025-05-15 16:31:11 +0200 <Square> thanks
2025-05-15 16:32:06 +0200 <merijn> Square: The intended purpose for cabal files is to describe packages (i.e. self-contained code that can go on to hackage, etc.) which means roots outside of that folder make no sense. You (probably) want a combination of cabal.project and multiple cabal files
2025-05-15 16:32:26 +0200 <hellwolf> I remember I hacked it once with ln -s ../src .
2025-05-15 16:32:35 +0200 <hellwolf> but that was a stupid idea. don't.
2025-05-15 16:32:59 +0200 <Square> I wanted to test out a new project layout wo moving so many files, that was the reason I resorted to the "../" approach
2025-05-15 16:33:00 +0200 <merijn> Since cabal.project's intended purpose is "orchestrating/configuring build configurations of (potentially) unpublished code"
2025-05-15 16:33:36 +0200 <Square> okok
2025-05-15 16:33:36 +0200 <hellwolf> yes. use cabal.project, it will work for your case.
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2025-05-15 18:45:10 +0200 <EvanR> yin, zoolander reference. Can't tell if this movie was genius or terrible
2025-05-15 18:45:17 +0200 <symbient> which is in your opinion best insights for the definitions of the functions when you are trying to make it cleaner and optimize structure
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2025-05-15 18:46:15 +0200 <hellwolf> yoneda lemma. and bye.
2025-05-15 18:46:30 +0200 <hellwolf> that's a drive by question.
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2025-05-15 21:42:00 +0200JuanDaugherty(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty
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