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2025-05-01 05:51:05 +0200 | <sm> | @where+ haskell-map https://joyful.com/Haskell+map |
2025-05-01 05:51:05 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Good to know. |
2025-05-01 05:52:00 +0200 | aforemny | (~aforemny@i59F4C605.versanet.de) aforemny |
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2025-05-01 06:07:18 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | joyful lookin good; fp-complete otoh seems to have gone all coin all the time |
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2025-05-01 06:57:43 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> thanks JuanDaugherty. Yes I see a rename to FP Block.. haskell learning content seems still intact |
2025-05-01 06:58:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> for now |
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2025-05-01 07:08:27 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | i pity a capitalistici |
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2025-05-01 07:38:46 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> it seems to echo the cultural values of key FP Complete personnel |
2025-05-01 07:39:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> that said, yes, Crypto is an anarcho-capitalist attack on central banking |
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2025-05-01 07:40:45 +0200 | <mauke> | "crypto" is cryptography, cryptocurrency is a scam |
2025-05-01 07:41:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> technically worse than a scam depending on your politics, fiat is a confidence scheme + legal / state power forcing you to recognize it as legit |
2025-05-01 07:41:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> cryptocurrency + confidence scheme + ??? forcing you to recognize it as legit |
2025-05-01 07:41:43 +0200 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
2025-05-01 07:41:47 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> erm, cryptocurrency = confidence scheme + |
2025-05-01 07:43:09 +0200 | <mauke> | cryptocurrency is fiat |
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2025-05-01 08:01:49 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> of the cryptocurrency companies |
2025-05-01 08:01:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> except the transaction time is long |
2025-05-01 08:02:06 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i also consider gold a confidence scheme |
2025-05-01 08:02:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> except with "ooh shiny" and corrosion resistence |
2025-05-01 08:02:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> *resistance |
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2025-05-01 08:05:38 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> is Haskell a scheme? |
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2025-05-01 08:06:38 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> (off topic heavy... trying to bring the H word back) |
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2025-05-01 08:25:23 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> A Scheme as in the standardised lang family? No, it doesn't follow the standard at all |
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2025-05-01 09:10:40 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> Embarrassingly, I did not know about "Extra-Constraints Wildcard", named wildcats (part of ghc2021!), and Inferred variables syntax {m}... |
2025-05-01 09:10:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | The extra constraints wildcard seems super powerful: I hate to list all the conversations sometimes, I wonder if it simplifies my code. |
2025-05-01 09:10:57 +0200 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@69.47.7.51.dyn.plus.net) |
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2025-05-01 09:15:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | hellwolf: what "extra constraints wildcard" are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing |
2025-05-01 09:16:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/partial_type_signatures.html#extra-constra… |
2025-05-01 09:16:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | TIL |
2025-05-01 09:16:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> check this out. i was surprised too. i should really RTFM |
2025-05-01 09:16:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | _please_ do not use that for public API. :) |
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2025-05-01 09:17:23 +0200 | dhil | (~dhil@5.151.29.141) dhil |
2025-05-01 09:17:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> :p i thought so too. what's your reason? |
2025-05-01 09:17:57 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | even if haddock infers what the actual constraint list is (don't know if it does), sometimes it's helpful for a reader to look at the source |
2025-05-01 09:18:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | stuff like this is _very_ unhelpful when trying to understand what's going on |
2025-05-01 09:18:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I guess s/constraint list/type/, i.e. don't use PartialTypeSignatures in public API |
2025-05-01 09:18:55 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> Indeed, but i do have internal code that repeats for no good reason (i think) |
2025-05-01 09:19:07 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | an option could be a type synonym |
2025-05-01 09:19:22 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but depends on how uniform the constraints actually are |
2025-05-01 09:19:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | in any case, this is an opinion, so take it as one :p |
2025-05-01 09:20:27 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> i would use partial type signature inside function where someone i use (:: A a b) for documentation purposes when the mini type tetris game being non-trivial |
2025-05-01 09:20:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> *sometimes |
2025-05-01 09:21:12 +0200 | tomsmeding | is failing to parse that sentence properly |
2025-05-01 09:21:47 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | you're saying that you put a full type signature on the top-level function but use PTSs inside local where- or let-bound functions? |
2025-05-01 09:21:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | to fix inference issues? |
2025-05-01 09:22:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | if so, that sounds perfectly fine to me |
2025-05-01 09:22:16 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> let x = f y :: T a _ |
2025-05-01 09:22:23 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | right |
2025-05-01 09:22:38 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | sometimes such things can be replaced with type applications to e.g. `f` here |
2025-05-01 09:22:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> yeah, there are cases where i don't care about the specific type var |
2025-05-01 09:22:54 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but far from always, and certainly the result is not always easier to read |
2025-05-01 09:22:57 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
2025-05-01 09:23:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> i use interchangeably, sometimes one style reads better than another |
2025-05-01 09:23:42 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but I've seen cases where these kinds of situations can be made more readable by putting some well-chosen type variable orderings on a few functions (with explicit `forall`), resulting in the majority of the ambiguous situations being resolvable by a single type application |
2025-05-01 09:24:06 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> "timtowdi", but in Haskell |
2025-05-01 09:24:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | there are way too many ways to do it |
2025-05-01 09:24:42 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | haskell is not a turing tarpit :p |
2025-05-01 09:24:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> yea, i have seen that. it's a mini type tetris game |
2025-05-01 09:25:03 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> the fun that Haskell gives |
2025-05-01 09:25:08 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it's great! |
2025-05-01 09:25:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | somehow puzzling with all the ways you can do something to find the nicest one in haskell is not too bad, and doing the same in C++ (which is just as much of a kitchen sink) makes you want to tear your hair out |
2025-05-01 09:26:35 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
2025-05-01 09:26:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps it gets even better in a dependently-typed language; even less arbitrary restrictions |
2025-05-01 09:26:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | s/less/fewer/ |
2025-05-01 09:27:00 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> having the proper type inference foundation helps |
2025-05-01 09:27:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it does |
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