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| 2025-01-22 00:51:04 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | ColinRobinson |
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| 2025-01-22 01:05:32 +0100 | <zero> | hellwolf: the ability to do `(0,1) { fst = 2 } ==> (2,1)` |
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| 2025-01-22 01:14:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Without lenses it do be a bit awkward to update tuples. But then again if your tuple is 4 or more wide, maybe you should consider a record |
| 2025-01-22 01:14:47 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-01-22 01:18:00 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
| 2025-01-22 01:18:36 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
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| 2025-01-22 01:23:04 +0100 | <jackdk> | Agreed - it's rare indeed that I want even a 3-tuple |
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| 2025-01-22 01:36:16 +0100 | <zero> | first and second from Data.Bifunctor are useful |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:22 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:23 +0100 | <zero> | :t first |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:24 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Arrow a => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:51 +0100 | <zero> | first (const 2) (0,1) |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:54 +0100 | <zero> | > first (const 2) (0,1) |
| 2025-01-22 01:36:55 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (2,1) |
| 2025-01-22 01:37:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you're reinventing lens, I see |
| 2025-01-22 01:39:22 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 01:39:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | in some sense, at least |
| 2025-01-22 01:39:46 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-01-22 01:40:00 +0100 | <zero> | reiventing lisp |
| 2025-01-22 01:40:51 +0100 | <zero> | > (fst . snd . snd) (0,(1,(2,3))) |
| 2025-01-22 01:40:53 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-01-22 01:41:28 +0100 | <zero> | > (fst (snd (snd (0,(1,(2,3)))))) |
| 2025-01-22 01:41:30 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-01-22 01:42:12 +0100 | <zero> | > let (car,cdr) = (fst,snd) in (fst (snd (snd (0,(1,(2,3)))))) |
| 2025-01-22 01:42:14 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-01-22 01:42:23 +0100 | <zero> | > let (car,cdr) = (fst,snd) in (car (cdr (cdr (0,(1,(2,3)))))) |
| 2025-01-22 01:42:25 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-01-22 01:42:29 +0100 | <zero> | there we go |
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| 2025-01-22 01:44:15 +0100 | <zero> | i wonder about the efficiency of tuple trees vs idiomatic trees in haskell |
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| 2025-01-22 05:18:43 +0100 | <jle`> | tuple trees are basically type-level trees -- there's that common trick that you can use them to easily overload/timeout typechecking |
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| 2025-01-22 05:19:01 +0100 | homo | (~homo@user/homo) homo |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:45 +0100 | aforemny | (~aforemny@2001:9e8:6ce4:b500:6e75:95aa:3ce2:b258) aforemny |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:49 +0100 | <jle`> | :t let f x = (x, x) in f . f . f . f . f . f . f . f |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b -> ((((((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))))), (((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))))), ((((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))))), (((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))))))), (((((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b))))), (((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))))), ((((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:52 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))))), (((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:54 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b)))), ((((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b))), (((b, b), (b, b)), ((b, b), (b, b)))))))) |
| 2025-01-22 05:19:58 +0100 | <jle`> | oh sorry i didn't realize that would actually evaluate |
| 2025-01-22 05:20:36 +0100 | aforemny_ | (~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cc6:4600:1315:1249:75e2:82ec) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 05:23:34 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 05:27:45 +0100 | <monochrom> | But yeah it's exponential length output so exponential time so we're cool. :) |
| 2025-01-22 05:28:00 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 05:28:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | most of the slowdown there, though, was lambdabot throttling so it didn't get kicked for flooding… |
| 2025-01-22 05:28:38 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ghc was done with its delay when the first line came out |
| 2025-01-22 05:33:15 +0100 | agent314 | (~quassel@208.131.130.69) agent314 |
| 2025-01-22 05:33:47 +0100 | halloy1022 | (~halloy102@111.65.75.121) |
| 2025-01-22 05:34:01 +0100 | halloy1022 | (~halloy102@111.65.75.121) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-01-22 05:35:58 +0100 | <homo> | exciting good news https://github.com/augustss/MicroHs/tree/hugs |
| 2025-01-22 05:38:45 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sounds cool, what will it mean ? |
| 2025-01-22 05:38:57 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 05:43:44 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 05:54:19 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 05:58:48 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:01:43 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-01-22 06:06:07 +0100 | <jackdk> | MicroHs will be buildable from Hugs, meaning that we have at least one actively developed Haskell compiler that's bootstrappable from C, which means you could if you wanted root its bootstrap chain in hex0, the couple-hundred-byte assembler |
| 2025-01-22 06:06:08 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:07:56 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 06:11:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I have to say I still don't see the point. The only thing I can think of is vetting the entire build chain, but the xz exploit demonstrated that "Reflections on Trusting Trust" is still with us and only gets worse with every new link in the chain |
| 2025-01-22 06:12:21 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:15:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (so you're going to vet patches. (a) damn lot of patches in something as old as gcc; (b) Alice strings together 30 patches, each innocuous but together you get the xz exploit. Will you catch that?) |
| 2025-01-22 06:16:04 +0100 | tnt2 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) tnt1 |
| 2025-01-22 06:16:10 +0100 | tnt1 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:16:10 +0100 | tnt2 | tnt1 |
| 2025-01-22 06:23:15 +0100 | <mange> | Isn't the point of "reflections on trusting trust" that the exploit survives in the binary alone? Bootstrapping at least ensures we can find the exploit in source, eventually. |
| 2025-01-22 06:23:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 06:25:38 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that's just one way to do it. the one I described above is another. there are a lot of exploits possible; RoTT isn't about a single specific form of exploit but the entire class. it uses the specific one as an example |
| 2025-01-22 06:28:12 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:31:15 +0100 | <probie> | geekosaur: It's no security panacea, but it still reduces the number of parties you need to trust |
| 2025-01-22 06:38:42 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 06:43:17 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:43:32 +0100 | ColinRobinson | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-22 06:45:46 +0100 | bgamari | (~bgamari@64.223.233.64) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-01-22 06:45:51 +0100 | fmira | (~user@user/fmira) fmira |
| 2025-01-22 06:46:46 +0100 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f9028c796acceb77e24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2025-01-22 06:47:14 +0100 | bgamari | (~bgamari@64.223.233.64) |
| 2025-01-22 06:53:07 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-01-22 06:54:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-22 06:56:05 +0100 | <homo> | geekosaur even without security concern, for academic haskell this is proof where each binary comes from, guix is a very cool distro for science |
| 2025-01-22 06:57:07 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a1c1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: leaving) |
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| 2025-01-22 07:04:02 +0100 | <homo> | also xz situation shows why free software is important: you can fix it on source level (instead of disassembling binary) and you can legally share your fixes with other people |
| 2025-01-22 07:04:35 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
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| 2025-01-22 07:23:43 +0100 | <homo> | btw, the following patch is required to be applied to hugs to ignore integer overflow https://github.com/augustss/hugs98-plus-Sep2006/commit/a87d3a15194e4d7724627e43a94ac1d12ab78f9c.pa… |
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