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2025-01-12 01:22:28 +0100 <monochrom> Clearly, design patterns and anti-patterns depend on the language.
2025-01-12 01:23:14 +0100 <monochrom> I had a student who tried to write Haskell in Python. I gave them a very low mark. If you use Python, you play to the strength of Python. If you use Haskell, you play to the strength of Haskell.
2025-01-12 01:24:55 +0100 <monochrom> In that student's case, the assignment was to first use algebraic data types in Haskell to define a type for boolean expressions and functions for evaluations. Then the next question is "how would you code this up in Python?"
2025-01-12 01:26:02 +0100 <monochrom> Clearly, in Python you would not make an algebraic type, you would make a Not class, And class, Or class; and the evaluation function would be a common method.
2025-01-12 01:26:07 +0100dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d080:1a3c:198e:8888:ba04:6650) dtman34
2025-01-12 01:26:23 +0100 <c_wraith> but then you've turned the expression problem sideways!
2025-01-12 01:26:48 +0100 <c_wraith> the python should be using the visitor pattern. :P
2025-01-12 01:27:01 +0100 <monochrom> But the student was too excited by Haskell, so they went overboard and translate Haskell pattern matching to Python. "if instanceof(e, Or) ... elif instanceof(e, And) .. elif ..."
2025-01-12 01:27:23 +0100 <c_wraith> so... they should have used the visitor pattern.
2025-01-12 01:27:55 +0100 <monochrom> I would be very impressed if they used the visitor pattern.
2025-01-12 01:28:23 +0100 <c_wraith> Huh. I guess the visitor pattern is sort of a catamorphism that uses algebras encoded as an object.
2025-01-12 01:28:35 +0100 <monochrom> For mere mortals, the composite pattern would be good enough and pretty easy to understand actually.
2025-01-12 01:29:17 +0100 <monochrom> But the whole point of Python and Java is if you write "instanceof" you're commiting a crime.
2025-01-12 01:30:42 +0100 <c_wraith> crimes against parametricity
2025-01-12 01:30:52 +0100 <monochrom> haha
2025-01-12 01:31:45 +0100 <c_wraith> Lots of python code commits crimes against parametricity
2025-01-12 01:32:02 +0100 <c_wraith> It tries to be "friendly" instead of "type safe"
2025-01-12 01:32:47 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-12 01:33:09 +0100 <c_wraith> that's less common in java, but not absent. (Same root cause...)
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2025-01-12 01:46:23 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> c_wraith re:catamorphism https://www.haskellforall.com/2021/01/the-visitor-pattern-is-essentially-same.html this is relevant I guess
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2025-01-12 04:25:46 +0100 <Square> How would I write a performance test for a "value". I want to compute it N times and see how long it takes
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2025-01-12 04:46:30 +0100 <Square> I guess my question is, how do I make sure a value isn't cached, but instead recalculated
2025-01-12 04:47:18 +0100 <c_wraith> write the thing that calculates it as a function. use criterion to pass the function its input.
2025-01-12 04:49:40 +0100 <c_wraith> criterion uses module boundaries to prevent inlining so that GHC doesn't notice it's passing the same argument to the same function over and over.
2025-01-12 04:50:01 +0100 <c_wraith> it also does the benchmarking. Kind of like that's what it was designed to do
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2025-01-12 04:58:19 +0100 <Square> c_wraith, thanks. Yeah, got criterion up and running
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2025-01-12 05:45:26 +0100 <Leary> tomsmeding: `null . drop 1 . nub`
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2025-01-12 05:55:27 +0100 <Leary> (you can also replace `nub` with `group` if you want the performance to be more obvious, but they should be pretty similar)
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2025-01-12 11:07:35 +0100 <tomsmeding> Leary: cute!
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2025-01-12 14:56:20 +0100 <bailsman> ...yes I've found many cases in which I thought I needed an existential type. I'm glad this is a rite of passage. Although, I still often think I need it, so I'm not sure if I've fully completed the rite yet
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2025-01-12 15:07:00 +0100wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot
2025-01-12 15:08:40 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> bailsman: agree, I haven’t felt like I needed an existential type in a long time
2025-01-12 15:08:48 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> usually RankN solves most things
2025-01-12 15:14:05 +0100 <hellwolf> would you also need ImpredicativeTypes in that case?
2025-01-12 15:14:49 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> in what case?
2025-01-12 15:15:11 +0100 <hellwolf> I sometimes create an array of AnyX existential data types.
2025-01-12 15:15:48 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> no you don’t really need them usually
2025-01-12 15:15:51 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> At least I don’t
2025-01-12 15:16:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-12 15:16:55 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I don’t really run into situations where I need that flexibility tbh
2025-01-12 15:17:11 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> do you have an example?
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2025-01-12 15:17:21 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> (that is not just a toy example I mean)
2025-01-12 15:17:34 +0100 <hellwolf> yes, I use it in places
2025-01-12 15:18:03 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> any time I thought I needed these, I could usually slightly redesign and vastly simplify
2025-01-12 15:18:27 +0100 <hellwolf> okay, but I am not sure if were complicated in the first place
2025-01-12 15:18:28 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> esp. because error messages and inference becomes a joke with impredicative types
2025-01-12 15:18:40 +0100 <hellwolf> oh, I meant existential types
2025-01-12 15:18:51 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> (same as with GADTs, though people tell me they have their uses)
2025-01-12 15:18:55 +0100 <hellwolf> impredicative types I don't actively use, but passively use from a library that requiring it
2025-01-12 15:19:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> though GADTs are a superset of existential types right??
2025-01-12 15:19:31 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> s/??/?/
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2025-01-12 15:23:06 +0100 <hellwolf> I have never heard of that
2025-01-12 15:23:12 +0100 <hellwolf> (forall a. (t a -> r)) ≅ ((exists a. t a) -> r) <-- this is what I know of.
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2025-01-12 15:29:38 +0100 <ncf> data Exists t where pack :: forall a. t a → Exists t
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2025-01-12 16:04:53 +0100 <kaol> Looks like GHC started complaining about non-exhaustive pattern matches on lazy pattern matching in 9.2. I may have been abusing lazy pattern matching to just create escape hatches where I was certain that it would always match so I guess I can't complain too much.
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2025-01-12 16:30:35 +0100 <probie> GHC has become very opinionated in recent years about how Haskell should be written. I look forward to when they decide to remove `error` and `undefined` from base :p
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2025-01-12 16:42:57 +0100 <tomsmeding> probie: in warnings, or in actual backwards-incompatible changes?
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2025-01-12 17:48:07 +0100 <smiesner> time for another happy parser generator question: how do i parse a source file after creating the non-terminal and production rules? GHC shows in Parser.y many %name parsers, called via a runParser function, generated by happy. I don't have %this function. how can i generate it or something similar so the AST get's created correctly?
2025-01-12 17:48:19 +0100 <smiesner> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/blob/e2520df3fffa0cf22fb19c5fb872832d11c07d35/compiler/GHC/Pa…
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2025-01-12 17:56:28 +0100 <smiesner> a different approach is shared here: https://gist.github.com/heitor-lassarote/9cc4203990352f5df5f6b84da9291df9
2025-01-12 17:57:08 +0100 <smiesner> however it seems this parser always expects to parse 'decs'. i think the approach in ghc is a bit nicer and better to read?
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2025-01-12 18:16:35 +0100 <smiesner> or does GHC just start at the non-terminal Module and goes with each production rule into smaller non-terminals?
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2025-01-12 18:47:20 +0100 <probie> tomsmeding: In actual backwards-incompatible changes, although I don't actually think it will happen. However, I think it might plausible in 5-10 years that `head` and `tail` disappear.
2025-01-12 18:49:15 +0100Midjak(~MarciZ@82.66.147.146) Midjak
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2025-01-12 18:55:52 +0100 <probie> I find it really annoying when I'm trying to use GHCi as a calculator that something "silly" like `liftA2 (,) head tail [1..10]` generates 10 lines of warning before giving me my result unless I run it with `-Wno-x-partial`
2025-01-12 18:56:25 +0100 <probie> (that's on 9.10.1)
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2025-01-12 18:58:42 +0100 <probie> It's one thing to do it for programs being compiled, but to have it as the default for the interactive environment just seems _way_ too opinionated
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2025-01-12 19:18:25 +0100 <heichro> @pl \x -> x /= '.'
2025-01-12 19:18:25 +0100 <lambdabot> ('.' /=)
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