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2024-12-23 02:23:06 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm
2024-12-23 02:23:15 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> seems the above model is incorrect but I'm not sure
2024-12-23 02:23:34 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> does anyone know if FRP GUIs delegate rendering to individual components instead of having a centralized rendering function?
2024-12-23 02:25:36 +0100 <geekosaur> depends on the specific FRP implementation, I'm pretty sure. each of them has its own model and most of them vary widely if not wildly from each other
2024-12-23 02:25:48 +0100 <geekosaur> "FRP" is not even close to being a monolith
2024-12-23 02:26:08 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm I should check out project implemented in the different libraries, ty good idea
2024-12-23 02:26:16 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> * projects
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2024-12-23 03:05:04 +0100 <EvanR> I have this cool non-answer to your question about FRP components from way back in the day https://apfelmus.nfshost.com/blog/2012/03/29-frp-three-principles-bidirectional-gui.html#the-three…
2024-12-23 03:05:14 +0100 <EvanR> thirdofmay18081814goya ^
2024-12-23 03:05:28 +0100 <EvanR> less about low level rendering and more high level responsibilities
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2024-12-23 03:09:28 +0100 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> neato! thanks for the article
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2024-12-23 10:02:42 +0100 <Guest33> Hi, is there a way to produce a native cont monad with just function arrows?
2024-12-23 10:02:57 +0100 <Guest33> Assume you can type it properly:
2024-12-23 10:03:39 +0100 <Guest33> type Cont r a = (a -> r) -> r
2024-12-23 10:04:01 +0100 <Guest33> instance Functor (Cont r)
2024-12-23 10:10:51 +0100 <Guest33> Or for that matter, type State s a...
2024-12-23 10:12:27 +0100 <Guest33> And honestly it'd result in overlapping instances, so...
2024-12-23 10:12:40 +0100 <int-e> you can't even match that instance head
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2024-12-23 10:13:25 +0100 <Guest33> I know, that's what I'm asking about
2024-12-23 10:13:37 +0100 <int-e> This would amount to a type-level lambda which we don't have.
2024-12-23 10:15:25 +0100 <Guest33> So there's no way to create an instance for (a -> r) -> r and s -> (s,a), right?
2024-12-23 10:16:29 +0100 <int-e> right. Well, I suppose you can try instance r ~ s => Foo ((a -> r) -> s)
2024-12-23 10:16:53 +0100 <Guest33> Without newtypes of course, but that's just ContT identity and StateT identity
2024-12-23 10:16:54 +0100 <int-e> But that's not what you'd want for Functor.
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2024-12-23 10:17:50 +0100 <int-e> Anyway, use a newtype and that solves this problem. You can think of naming that newtype in your code as hinting to the compiler to introduce the right type-level lambda if you like.
2024-12-23 10:18:30 +0100 <Guest33> I mean if you go to newtype, just get Control.Monad.Trans and call it a day
2024-12-23 10:18:38 +0100 <int-e> Sure.
2024-12-23 10:18:55 +0100 <Guest33> The curiosity is more about naked reader having an instance in base
2024-12-23 10:19:37 +0100 <Guest33> Naked cont and naked state apparently can't have an instance, and it's probably a good thing due to overlapping instances
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2024-12-23 15:02:10 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> I need suggestions, i want to eventually make a small prototype of a terraform like tool. Not sure what actual adjective id use, but the gist is that the tool would get the current state, in this case filesystem layout, get the desired state from a config file, compare the two, produce a plan, execute said plan
2024-12-23 15:02:56 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> The compare sounds like a good use case for gdiff. Then if i can make sense of the patch data type, i could form a plan by that
2024-12-23 15:03:45 +0100merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-12-23 15:06:35 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> So for those familiar with tmpfilesd, something like that, a bit less stupid and 100% less C
2024-12-23 15:07:06 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> and ur gonna use haskell, right?
2024-12-23 15:07:12 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Ofc
2024-12-23 15:07:16 +0100manny_(~quassel@45.134.142.209) (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
2024-12-23 15:07:26 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Isnt this the haskell irc room (:
2024-12-23 15:07:46 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> absolutely, just checking
2024-12-23 15:08:55 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> i dunno from terraform so cant say; often in such cases a related name is used
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2024-12-23 15:10:31 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Id call it a "given a current state of a system and a desired out, hammer it into shape"
2024-12-23 15:10:33 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> System
2024-12-23 15:11:03 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> maxwell them maybe (silverhammer)
2024-12-23 15:11:08 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> *then
2024-12-23 15:11:20 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> as a monicker not an adjective
2024-12-23 15:11:32 +0100son0p(~ff@186.121.98.118) son0p
2024-12-23 15:12:04 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> or just silverhammer, but u might wanna rethink hammering on ppls fs
2024-12-23 15:12:28 +0100manny_(~manny@45.134.142.209)
2024-12-23 15:13:06 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> a plethora of tolls exist for most fs tasks
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2024-12-23 15:13:45 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Oh yeah but this is like a general problem
2024-12-23 15:14:02 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> A lot of my project fall into the same category but slightly different context
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2024-12-23 15:15:22 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> a nice UI for rsnapshot would be great
2024-12-23 15:17:11 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> u could do plans for backup generations
2024-12-23 15:17:41 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> less hazard more benefit
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2024-12-23 15:18:59 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> u could easily do better than apple timemachine
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2024-12-23 15:21:31 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> an issue with the bridge: part/leave doesn show
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2024-12-23 15:43:14 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> and even better plans for a given restore where u would produce the command for a specified action (cp or rsync), doable, straightforward, safe and useful
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2024-12-23 15:54:18 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> I want to have be able to manage a whole linux rootfs
2024-12-23 15:54:30 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> For nixos and rsync is not expressive enough probably
2024-12-23 15:54:35 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Or itll be a pain
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