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2024-11-20 00:03:12 +0100 <geekosaur> I still don't know how you think that would work
2024-11-20 00:03:17 +0100 <geekosaur> think about it
2024-11-20 00:04:52 +0100 <geekosaur> "Magic" would be quite literal
2024-11-20 00:05:43 +0100 <Leary> I mean, GHC could just do the inlining for you. Not like it doesn't already do plenty of that.
2024-11-20 00:07:24 +0100 <hellwolf> the fact is it worked. I take that as a magic.
2024-11-20 00:07:33 +0100 <hellwolf> *works
2024-11-20 00:17:30 +0100L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
2024-11-20 00:21:51 +0100 <hellwolf> I also defined I8,I16..I256, U8,U16...U256, all without TH. I can now replace that with the magic too. Can you actually do such a splice in the module export list too? I guess that's where the magic is limited?
2024-11-20 00:22:22 +0100 <hellwolf> module XYZ ( ... U8, U16, ... U256,...)
2024-11-20 00:28:20 +0100 <geekosaur> things defined via TH can be exported, yes
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2024-11-20 00:32:18 +0100 <hellwolf> right. I am more curious about if one can go one step of further of not to write this manually
2024-11-20 00:32:18 +0100 <hellwolf> -- *** Assorted INTx Types
2024-11-20 00:32:18 +0100 <hellwolf> , U8,U16,U24,U32,U40,U48,U56,U64
2024-11-20 00:32:18 +0100 <hellwolf> ... and so on, in the module export list
2024-11-20 00:32:18 +0100 <hellwolf> ... but I am quite content already comparing to where I was few hours ago about this part of the code.
2024-11-20 00:33:00 +0100 <geekosaur> I don't think you can, no; it'd be kinda the extreme case of the staging restriction
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2024-11-20 01:43:41 +0100 <hellwolf> forM [ (s, n) | s <- [True, False], n <- [1..32] ] $ \(s, n) -> do
2024-11-20 01:43:41 +0100 <hellwolf> name <- TH.newName ((if s then "I" else "U") ++ show (n * 8))
2024-11-20 01:43:41 +0100 <hellwolf> TH.tySynD name [] ((TH.conT ''INTx)
2024-11-20 01:43:41 +0100 <hellwolf> `TH.appT` (TH.promotedT (if s then 'True else 'False))
2024-11-20 01:43:41 +0100 <hellwolf> `TH.appT` (TH.litT (TH.numTyLit n)))
2024-11-20 01:43:44 +0100 <hellwolf> This is amazing
2024-11-20 01:43:54 +0100 <hellwolf> Thanks for teaching me this today.
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2024-11-20 01:58:00 +0100 <Axman6> if s then 'True else 'False made me sad but then realised it's not id
2024-11-20 01:58:44 +0100 <Axman6> hellwolf: why limit it to multiples of 8? We use a lot of 18 bit ints at work =)
2024-11-20 01:59:25 +0100 <geekosaur> pdp7? 😛
2024-11-20 01:59:41 +0100 <Axman6> FPGAs
2024-11-20 01:59:57 +0100 <geekosaur> …everything old is new again
2024-11-20 02:00:06 +0100 <Axman6> the DSPs we have do 18x25 bit multiplications (IIRC)
2024-11-20 02:02:17 +0100 <Axman6> hellwolf: you might also want to look at how Clash does numbers
2024-11-20 02:03:29 +0100 <hellwolf> Yea, I wonder if there is better way of doing that 'True 'False thing :) I guess the domain I am dealing with spared me with non octal trite...
2024-11-20 02:03:44 +0100 <hellwolf> Axman6: yes I should checkout clash, heard a lot about it...
2024-11-20 02:05:07 +0100 <Axman6> I love it, I wish we'd use it at work, VHDL is such a horrific language
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2024-11-20 04:02:05 +0100 <Axman6> any python devs know of a python equivalent to insertWith max k v dict?
2024-11-20 04:13:59 +0100 <edwardk> hellwolf: re the export list, you can of course skip using an explicit export list. the least amount of code is no code at all there.
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2024-11-20 08:32:15 +0100 <dminuoso> bwe: The description is true, but not really relevant today. Mostly just a fun remark about history.
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2024-11-20 09:08:11 +0100 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> edwardk: yes, that's true.
2024-11-20 09:08:11 +0100 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/lsAZXCpcYCpLcHAgzwCoIQAw/t5OqeCcG3NM (3 lines)
2024-11-20 09:10:18 +0100misterfish(~misterfis@84.53.85.146) misterfish
2024-11-20 09:14:56 +0100 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> Also, if I take that thing in a separate module of its own, then I can be more comfortable letting module export list to be inexplicit.
2024-11-20 09:14:58 +0100 <haskellbridge> But now I am just splitting hairs.
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2024-11-20 09:57:28 +0100 <bwe> dminuoso: then, what's the essence of it that's relevant today?
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2024-11-20 10:24:49 +0100Guest68(~Guest68@2405:201:12:391a:c627:4da6:1387:26ef)
2024-11-20 10:25:15 +0100 <Guest68> @free showList :: (a -> String) -> [a] -> String
2024-11-20 10:25:15 +0100 <lambdabot> showList . (.) f = (.) (showList f) . $map
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2024-11-20 10:27:23 +0100 <Guest68> @free showList :: [a] -> String
2024-11-20 10:27:23 +0100 <lambdabot> showList = showList . $map f
2024-11-20 10:30:02 +0100Fijxu(~Fijxu@user/fijxu) fijxu
2024-11-20 10:36:12 +0100 <Guest68> @free evaluate :: Expr a -> a
2024-11-20 10:36:12 +0100 <lambdabot> f . evaluate = evaluate . $map_Expr f
2024-11-20 10:37:04 +0100 <[exa]> Guest68: you may also do `/query lambdabot` and ask in private
2024-11-20 10:37:21 +0100 <Guest68> Oh, thank you. I'll try that.
2024-11-20 10:38:27 +0100 <[exa]> like, not a big issue, just that the attempts here get auto-streamed to at least 500 people :D
2024-11-20 10:40:55 +0100 <kaol> History question: Was there a time when Arrow just assumed arr used (->) instead of being a type class taking a Category?
2024-11-20 10:41:52 +0100 <ncf> what, like arr :: (b -> c) -> b -> c ?
2024-11-20 10:42:05 +0100 <ncf> there aren't many of those...
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2024-11-20 10:46:07 +0100 <kaol> It could be that it's just that I had been introduced to arrows with a simple "arr is like lifting a function to it" and I didn't get the bigger picture then.
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2024-11-20 11:15:06 +0100 <jackdk> ISTR old versions of GHC shipping class Arrow without a superclass
2024-11-20 11:16:23 +0100 <int-e> ISTR old versions of GHC not shipping Arrow at all
2024-11-20 11:24:03 +0100mari-estel(~mari-este@user/mari-estel) mari-estel
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2024-11-20 11:29:58 +0100 <jackdk> You're probably thinking of even older versions
2024-11-20 11:32:10 +0100 <kaol> The first drafts of Haskell didn't have monads.
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2024-11-20 12:21:00 +0100 <probie> kaol: Drafts? Monads are completely absent from 1.2. It's not until 1.3 they turn up
2024-11-20 12:30:07 +0100 <kaol> I was thinking in terms of anything before Haskell 98 being drafts. True, that's going a bit fast and loose.
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2024-11-20 12:48:58 +0100 <dminuoso> bwe: Humor has never become irrelevant. :-)
2024-11-20 12:50:30 +0100 <dminuoso> kaol: Given that most haskellers are writing in non-standardized Haskell these days, it's all back to draft then.
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2024-11-20 12:50:41 +0100 <dminuoso> A new Haskell standard is probably not coming.
2024-11-20 12:51:03 +0100 <dminuoso> Haskell2020 never succeeded.
2024-11-20 12:51:54 +0100jinsun(~jinsun@user/jinsun) jinsun
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2024-11-20 12:53:04 +0100 <mari-estel> the age of standards is over. Now it is either: survive with your implementation or get a big company push their opinionated framework
2024-11-20 12:55:46 +0100 <bwe> dminuoso: so which way other than searching through github repos are we left with to learn and find the approaches to adopt for yourself?
2024-11-20 12:56:17 +0100 <mari-estel> let trained machines tell you how it is right
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2024-11-20 14:14:31 +0100 <bwe> dminuoso: hm, constraint depends on dual which is now deprecated and there is a break using current GHC 9.10.1.
2024-11-20 14:15:28 +0100 <bwe> dminuoso: wait. It's weird. Why is GHC telling me that while hackage doesn't list dual as dependency?
2024-11-20 14:16:01 +0100 <bwe> ah, it's constraintS not constraint.
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