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| 2024-11-18 00:53:53 +0100 | divya | (~user@139.5.11.231) divya |
| 2024-11-18 00:55:56 +0100 | <SrPx> | so now that im using haskell for a larger project, monad transformers are unavoidable. but it is somewhat annoying to have chains of lifts. wouldn't it make more sense to have a list of the involved monads, and then a 'pick' that selects the one you want? like, `x <- pick M_IO $ something` instead of `x <- lift $ lift $ something` |
| 2024-11-18 00:57:17 +0100 | <Axman6> | that's basically what MTL is |
| 2024-11-18 00:57:48 +0100 | <SrPx> | oh, just learned about it. cool |
| 2024-11-18 00:57:52 +0100 | <glguy> | monad transformers are not an inevitability of large projects |
| 2024-11-18 00:59:09 +0100 | <glguy> | at most they can be an implementation detail of your more-specific monads that you are defining |
| 2024-11-18 01:00:26 +0100 | xal | (~xal@mx1.xal.systems) xal |
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| 2024-11-18 01:01:25 +0100 | <Axman6> | yeah the RIO approach (or similar ReaderT Env IO ideas) get you a very long way. it's pretty easy to do things like `inDB :: DB a -> ReaderT Env IO a` which runs a transaction inside your reader |
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| 2024-11-18 01:39:24 +0100 | <Leary> | SrPx: Note that if you use 'mtl' monad-polymorphically then performance will become unreliable for cross-module inlining reasons. Consider using a modern effect system like 'effectful' or 'bluefin' instead. |
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| 2024-11-18 15:39:49 +0100 | willscripted | (~willscrip@user/willscripted) willscripted |
| 2024-11-18 15:41:56 +0100 | <k`> | Is it possible to include GADT constraints in a pattern synonym? I'm trying to do something like `pattern ()=> (a ~ Int)=> Bool -> Foo a ; pattern Foo b <- (unpack -> b) where Foo x = Foo__ (pack x)`, and I get type error "Couldn't match type 'a' with 'Bool'". |
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| 2024-11-18 15:44:15 +0100 | <k`> | The GHC docs seem to imply that that's how the second set of constraints works, but I can't get the type to check. |
| 2024-11-18 15:49:41 +0100 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31-161-39-137.biz.kpn.net) misterfish |
| 2024-11-18 15:50:11 +0100 | <dolio> | What is the type of unpack? |
| 2024-11-18 15:50:16 +0100 | k` | Wygulmage |
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| 2024-11-18 15:52:43 +0100 | <dolio> | Presumably the problem is that it just returns a boolean, which means that it doesn't actually get you the a ~ Int evidence that you say it has. |
| 2024-11-18 15:53:14 +0100 | <dolio> | You need it to produce a type that is a Boolean with evidence that you're going to match on. |
| 2024-11-18 15:54:12 +0100 | <dolio> | Like `data Witness c a where Wit :: c => a -> Witness c a` |
| 2024-11-18 15:55:18 +0100 | lol_ | jcarpenter2 |
| 2024-11-18 15:55:21 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Sorry, so the GADT is `data Foo a where Foo__ :: Int -> Foo Bool |
| 2024-11-18 15:55:38 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | type of unpack is Int -> Bool |
| 2024-11-18 15:55:56 +0100 | <dolio> | Right, but what type is `unpack`? |
| 2024-11-18 15:56:39 +0100 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31-161-39-137.biz.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-11-18 15:57:10 +0100 | <dolio> | Oh I see. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It just swaps around the problem. |
| 2024-11-18 15:57:12 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | (actually `Int# -> Bool`, if that matters.) |
| 2024-11-18 15:57:51 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | I assumed that strictly matching the GADT constructor Foo__ in the view pattern would bring the constraint into scope. |
| 2024-11-18 15:58:49 +0100 | <dolio> | It does in unpack. But what is the type of unpack ? |
| 2024-11-18 15:59:09 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | `unpack :: Int# -> Bool` |
| 2024-11-18 15:59:24 +0100 | <dolio> | Okay, so, it only returns a Bool, not evidence that `a ~ Int`. |
| 2024-11-18 15:59:58 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Right. Can I give it a type like `Int# -> (a ~ Bool)=> a` ? |
| 2024-11-18 16:00:14 +0100 | <dolio> | You could, but that's not the right type. |
| 2024-11-18 16:01:45 +0100 | <dolio> | The right type is something like `Foo a -> Witness (a ~ Bool) ...` |
| 2024-11-18 16:03:33 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Sorry, sorry, I had messed this up at the beginning. In desperation I had changed the pattern to `Foo b <- (\ (Foo_ i) -> unpack i -> b` |
| 2024-11-18 16:04:56 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) (Quit: quit) |
| 2024-11-18 16:05:22 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Does a view pattern like that not bring `Foo__` 's constraints into scope? Do I need to return something like `(# b, Refl #)` ? |
| 2024-11-18 16:05:28 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak |
| 2024-11-18 16:05:41 +0100 | <dolio> | Maybe you want `Foo u <- Foo_ (unpack -> u)` |
| 2024-11-18 16:06:59 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | dolio: Thank you! I did not know that was legal syntax! |
| 2024-11-18 16:07:17 +0100 | <dolio> | It's just using a view pattern nested under a normal pattern. |
| 2024-11-18 16:07:35 +0100 | <dolio> | That way the Foo__ match gets you the evidence. |
| 2024-11-18 16:08:00 +0100 | <dolio> | If you put it all in a function, then the function won't be returning the evidence unless you give it a more complicated return type. |
| 2024-11-18 16:08:01 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | I'm pretty ignorant of view pattern syntax. I only use them when I need smart constructors in pattern synonyms. |
| 2024-11-18 16:08:23 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Anyway, that works perfectly. |
| 2024-11-18 16:11:25 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2024-11-18 16:20:37 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@2a04:9dc0:0:162::5d91:d7ed) housemate |
| 2024-11-18 16:20:51 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | So here's a semirelated question: Do UNPACK pragmas do anything to UnliftedTypes? For example, my understanding is that `ByteArray#` is a reference to a GC-managed reference to a memory region of metadata and bytes. If you try to UNPACK the `ByteArray` into a lifted constructor `Bar Int# !ByteArray#` , is the result a reference to an `Int#` and a |
| 2024-11-18 16:20:52 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | GC-managed reference to a memory region of metadata and bytes? Or is it a reference to ( an `Int#` and a reference to a GC managed...)? |
| 2024-11-18 16:24:24 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Is there a way to check by looking at the dumped .simpl file for the module? |
| 2024-11-18 16:24:27 +0100 | <dolio> | I'm not sure what you're asking. You can't unpack the ByteArray# stuff directly into the constructor of another type (to my knowledge) if that's what you mean. |
| 2024-11-18 16:24:50 +0100 | <dolio> | So the ByteArray# will still be an indirection. |
| 2024-11-18 16:25:19 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) (Quit: quit) |
| 2024-11-18 16:25:19 +0100 | <dolio> | In a manner of speaking. |
| 2024-11-18 16:25:49 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak |
| 2024-11-18 16:28:22 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | For what it's worth, GHC does not complain about an UNPACK pragma on a ByteArray#. And I assume that if I define my own unlifted types, I can unpack them (because they are still boxed). |
| 2024-11-18 16:28:40 +0100 | <dolio> | Basically, Bar contains two words (I think), one of which is the Int# and one which is the pointer to the byte array structure. |
| 2024-11-18 16:30:34 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | The byte array structure as in the actual memory region, or another pointer (to GC-managed memory if unpinned and pinned memory if pinned) to the actual allocated memory? |
| 2024-11-18 16:32:08 +0100 | <dolio> | It's not just a pointer to the beginning of the bytes, because byte arrays e.g. know their length. |
| 2024-11-18 16:32:26 +0100 | <dolio> | It's a structure. |
| 2024-11-18 16:33:38 +0100 | <dolio> | I don't know exactly how it's represented, though. I guess the structure could be all packed together instead of involving another pointer. |
| 2024-11-18 16:34:56 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Right. I think we're talking past each other. My understanding is that a ByteArray# is a pointer to another pointer to flat memory that consists of length in bytes and then the bytes. I'm wondering whether unpacking the ByteArray# lifts gets rid of that first pointer, |
| 2024-11-18 16:35:29 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) (Quit: quit) |
| 2024-11-18 16:35:31 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | (because GC can rewrite the pointer to actual memory inside the lifted structure that it's been unpacked into) |
| 2024-11-18 16:35:59 +0100 | <dolio> | You can only unpack data types. |
| 2024-11-18 16:36:01 +0100 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak |
| 2024-11-18 16:37:35 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Right. So UnliftedTypes are inside strict boxes (pointers) that allow the garbage collector to manage them. Does unpacking an unlifted type get rid of that box? |
| 2024-11-18 16:38:24 +0100 | mari-estel | (~mari-este@user/mari-estel) mari-estel |
| 2024-11-18 16:39:24 +0100 | <dolio> | Are you asking about ByteArray#? Then the answer is no, because it's not defined with data. It's a built-in. |
| 2024-11-18 16:40:09 +0100 | <dolio> | If you're asking about a data definition with a specified kind of UnliftedType, then I'm less certain. I think the answer might still be no. |
| 2024-11-18 16:40:16 +0100 | Alleria_ | (~Alleria@user/alleria) Alleria |
| 2024-11-18 16:40:35 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | OK, thanks. |
| 2024-11-18 16:40:44 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | That's exactly what I wanted to know. |
| 2024-11-18 16:43:17 +0100 | Alleria | (~Alleria@user/alleria) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-11-18 16:43:52 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | So a polymorphic `data Baz ( a :: UnliftedType ) = MkBaz Int# a` will have an equivalent in-memory representation to `data BazBytes = MkMazBytes Int# ByteArray#` when `a` is instantiated to `ByteArray#` |
| 2024-11-18 16:44:40 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | I was wondering whether the polymorphism would introduce an extra layer of indirection. |
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| 2024-11-18 16:46:28 +0100 | Alleria | (~Alleria@user/alleria) Alleria |
| 2024-11-18 16:47:00 +0100 | Alleria_ | (~Alleria@user/alleria) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-11-18 16:47:27 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | It's nice to be able to have the `Baz` wrapper for `Array#`, `ByteArray#`, `MutableByteArray#`, etc., but at this low level, not if it creates an extra indirection. |
| 2024-11-18 16:49:03 +0100 | <dolio> | It appears that if `type F :: UnliftedType` is declared, then `data G = G {-# unpack #-} !F` does not actually unpack F. |
| 2024-11-18 16:49:49 +0100 | <dolio> | You can see this by messing around with -ddump-simpl. |
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| 2024-11-18 16:50:13 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | That is very good to know. |
| 2024-11-18 16:50:30 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc9f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-11-18 16:50:51 +0100 | <dolio> | When F is not UnliftedType, a G value ends up looking like: `floobnar = Up.G 5# 6#` |
| 2024-11-18 16:51:29 +0100 | <dolio> | But the UnliftedType version is: `floobnar = Up.G (Up.F 5# 6#)` |
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| 2024-11-18 16:53:12 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | Huh. I wonder whether that's a bug or a feature. |
| 2024-11-18 16:53:47 +0100 | <dolio> | I don't know. I guess they figured you wouldn't be unpacking unlifted data types into other types. |
| 2024-11-18 16:54:08 +0100 | <dolio> | Certainly there's no reason you couldn't. |
| 2024-11-18 16:54:52 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | I assumed that GHC would unpack anything of `BoxedRep r`, regardless of whether `r` was lifted or unlifted. |
| 2024-11-18 16:55:04 +0100 | <Wygulmage> | I guess it operates at a less general level. |
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| 2024-11-18 17:18:38 +0100 | <dolio> | You should probably check if UnliftedType omits other optimizations. E.G. does GHC still do constructed product returns for them? |
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| 2024-11-18 17:35:28 +0100 | <Leonard26> | Hello! =D How are you? |
| 2024-11-18 17:35:28 +0100 | <Leonard26> | I am trying to follow the tutorial/blog on ReaderT https://tech.fpcomplete.com/blog/2017/06/readert-design-pattern/ |
| 2024-11-18 17:35:29 +0100 | <Leonard26> | I was asking myself if given the following line `var <- newTVarIO (1 :: Int)` one could then use it in a different function outside of main? |
| 2024-11-18 17:35:29 +0100 | <Leonard26> | Like so https://paste.tomsmeding.com/IyjbMmtV |
| 2024-11-18 17:37:35 +0100 | alp | (~alp@2001:861:e3d6:8f80:568b:9761:243e:95b5) |
| 2024-11-18 17:37:36 +0100 | <ncf> | pass var as an argument |
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| 2024-11-18 17:40:33 +0100 | <Leonard26> | You mean like so? https://paste.tomsmeding.com/5unyMRGn |
| 2024-11-18 17:41:51 +0100 | jespada_ | (~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net) jespada |
| 2024-11-18 17:43:23 +0100 | jespada_ | (~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-11-18 17:44:05 +0100 | <ncf> | well obviously you need to call newFunc from main |
| 2024-11-18 17:44:46 +0100 | <Leonard26> | yes, right, sorry I forgot '=D |
| 2024-11-18 17:46:42 +0100 | jespada | (~jespada@cpc121308-nmal25-2-0-cust15.19-2.cable.virginm.net) jespada |
| 2024-11-18 17:48:48 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@2a04:9dc0:0:162::5d91:d7ed) housemate |
| 2024-11-18 17:49:54 +0100 | Alleria | (~Alleria@user/alleria) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-11-18 17:50:52 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-11-18 17:52:31 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@2a04:9dc0:0:162::5d91:d7ed) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-11-18 17:52:49 +0100 | rachelambda | (~rachelamb@cust-95-80-25-71.csbnet.se) rachelambda |
| 2024-11-18 17:54:14 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@2a04:9dc0:0:162::5d91:d7ed) housemate |
| 2024-11-18 18:06:04 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-11-18 18:10:11 +0100 | <zzz> | is there any potencial performance difference between using the State monad and threading manually like this?: https://paste.jrvieira.com/1731949754002 |
| 2024-11-18 18:10:33 +0100 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f69701fb6560bc0f0be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-11-18 18:11:16 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
| 2024-11-18 18:14:14 +0100 | Alleria | (~Alleria@user/alleria) Alleria |
| 2024-11-18 18:14:15 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@77.22.252.159) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-11-18 18:18:49 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc9f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |