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2024-11-01 02:07:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <zwro> is (pure@IO . ($!!)) the same as (evaluate . force) ?
2024-11-01 02:13:07 +0100 <haskellbridge> <zwro> * (pure @IO . ($!!)) equivalent to
2024-11-01 02:13:33 +0100xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp)
2024-11-01 02:14:32 +0100 <dolio> No.
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2024-11-01 02:15:11 +0100 <EvanR> :t force
2024-11-01 02:15:12 +0100 <lambdabot> NFData a => a -> a
2024-11-01 02:16:00 +0100 <EvanR> force evaluates to normal form, $! doesn't
2024-11-01 02:16:17 +0100 <dolio> ($!!) does, but they're still not equivalent.
2024-11-01 02:16:32 +0100 <EvanR> $!! wasn't a typo, dang
2024-11-01 02:16:50 +0100 <EvanR> :t ($!!)
2024-11-01 02:16:52 +0100 <lambdabot> NFData a => (a -> b) -> a -> b
2024-11-01 02:16:57 +0100 <int-e> but the type is all wrong
2024-11-01 02:17:14 +0100 <int-e> pure . <anything> won't force its argment
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2024-11-01 02:20:01 +0100 <int-e> (pure $!!) is still not equivalent though.
2024-11-01 02:20:08 +0100 <dolio> Right. :)
2024-11-01 02:20:43 +0100 <int-e> compare (evaluate undefined :: IO ()) `seq` () and (pure $! undefined :: IO ()) `seq` ()
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2024-11-01 02:32:07 +0100 <EvanR> > pure $! undefined :: IO ()
2024-11-01 02:32:08 +0100 <lambdabot> <IO ()>
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2024-11-01 02:32:45 +0100 <EvanR> % pure $! undefined :: IO ()
2024-11-01 02:32:45 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; CallStack (from HasCallStack): ; undefined, called at <interactive>:27:9 in interactive:Ghci5
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2024-11-01 02:32:59 +0100 <EvanR> % (pure $! undefined :: IO ()) `seq` ()
2024-11-01 02:32:59 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; CallStack (from HasCallStack): ; undefined, called at <interactive>:29:10 in interactive:Ghci5
2024-11-01 02:33:12 +0100 <EvanR> sus
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2024-11-01 10:27:16 +0100 <tomsmeding> my experience with this stuff is that IO seems to be strict in all your tests, but it fails if you actually want to use that for code correctness
2024-11-01 10:27:19 +0100 <tomsmeding> so use evaluate and be safe
2024-11-01 10:34:05 +0100 <c_wraith> evaluate isn't magic. the documentation explains what does and why.
2024-11-01 10:35:43 +0100 <tomsmeding> right. In practice, though, not using `evaluate` comes to bite me not in the presence of exceptions but when benchmarking
2024-11-01 10:36:10 +0100 <tomsmeding> if you want to benchmark an IO operation and are doing the timing manually for some reason, please, use `evaluate`. Using `return $! _` or something similar _will not work properly_
2024-11-01 10:36:15 +0100 <tomsmeding> it will work sometimes
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2024-11-01 11:22:45 +0100absence(torgeihe@hildring.pvv.ntnu.no) absence
2024-11-01 11:25:15 +0100 <absence> Is it possible to pass an implicit parameter explicitly, without creating a binding in the calling scope?
2024-11-01 11:25:37 +0100 <mauke> why without creating a binding?
2024-11-01 11:25:38 +0100 <tomsmeding> you can create the binding locally
2024-11-01 11:25:46 +0100 <tomsmeding> `let ?param = _ in f x y z`
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2024-11-01 11:26:55 +0100 <absence> mauke: Less clutter, and clearer intent.
2024-11-01 11:27:12 +0100 <tomsmeding> using a let-binding is the only way to set implicit parameters
2024-11-01 11:27:26 +0100 <absence> I see, thanks!
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