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2024-11-01 02:07:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <zwro> is (pure@IO . ($!!)) the same as (evaluate . force) ?
2024-11-01 02:13:07 +0100 <haskellbridge> <zwro> * (pure @IO . ($!!)) equivalent to
2024-11-01 02:13:33 +0100xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp)
2024-11-01 02:14:32 +0100 <dolio> No.
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2024-11-01 02:15:11 +0100 <EvanR> :t force
2024-11-01 02:15:12 +0100 <lambdabot> NFData a => a -> a
2024-11-01 02:16:00 +0100 <EvanR> force evaluates to normal form, $! doesn't
2024-11-01 02:16:17 +0100 <dolio> ($!!) does, but they're still not equivalent.
2024-11-01 02:16:32 +0100 <EvanR> $!! wasn't a typo, dang
2024-11-01 02:16:50 +0100 <EvanR> :t ($!!)
2024-11-01 02:16:52 +0100 <lambdabot> NFData a => (a -> b) -> a -> b
2024-11-01 02:16:57 +0100 <int-e> but the type is all wrong
2024-11-01 02:17:14 +0100 <int-e> pure . <anything> won't force its argment
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2024-11-01 02:20:01 +0100 <int-e> (pure $!!) is still not equivalent though.
2024-11-01 02:20:08 +0100 <dolio> Right. :)
2024-11-01 02:20:43 +0100 <int-e> compare (evaluate undefined :: IO ()) `seq` () and (pure $! undefined :: IO ()) `seq` ()
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2024-11-01 02:32:07 +0100 <EvanR> > pure $! undefined :: IO ()
2024-11-01 02:32:08 +0100 <lambdabot> <IO ()>
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2024-11-01 02:32:45 +0100 <EvanR> % pure $! undefined :: IO ()
2024-11-01 02:32:45 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; CallStack (from HasCallStack): ; undefined, called at <interactive>:27:9 in interactive:Ghci5
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2024-11-01 02:32:59 +0100 <EvanR> % (pure $! undefined :: IO ()) `seq` ()
2024-11-01 02:32:59 +0100 <yahb2> *** Exception: Prelude.undefined ; CallStack (from HasCallStack): ; undefined, called at <interactive>:29:10 in interactive:Ghci5
2024-11-01 02:33:12 +0100 <EvanR> sus
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2024-11-01 10:01:27 +0100troydm(~troydm@user/troydm) (Quit: What is Hope? That all of your wishes and all of your dreams come true? To turn back time because things were not supposed to happen like that (C) Rau Le Creuset)
2024-11-01 10:08:33 +0100Miroboru(~myrvoll@178-164-114.82.3p.ntebredband.no) Miroboru
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2024-11-01 10:22:16 +0100Square2(~Square4@user/square) Square
2024-11-01 10:27:16 +0100 <tomsmeding> my experience with this stuff is that IO seems to be strict in all your tests, but it fails if you actually want to use that for code correctness
2024-11-01 10:27:19 +0100 <tomsmeding> so use evaluate and be safe