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2024-10-06 00:26:46 +0200 <Inst> interesting, tbh, i thought tuple arguments were unidiomatic in haskell
2024-10-06 00:27:24 +0200 <Inst> but it turns out that if you're doing recursion over a function that produces a tuple, it's actually pretty ideal
2024-10-06 00:28:28 +0200 <Inst> are there any existing dynamic vector libraries built over vector?
2024-10-06 00:29:16 +0200 <Inst> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/dynamic-mvector-0.1.0.5
2024-10-06 00:29:26 +0200 <Inst> andras kovacs hasn't updated that recently
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2024-10-06 00:41:52 +0200andrewboltachev(~andrey@178.141.123.3) andrewboltachev
2024-10-06 00:42:23 +0200 <andrewboltachev> Hello. Does anyone have modern example for https://www.tweag.io/blog/2019-05-09-inline-js/ ? many things have changed, e.g. withJSSession -> withSession etc
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2024-10-06 03:29:44 +0200L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
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2024-10-06 03:49:34 +0200 <L29Ah> https://www.wired.com/story/neo-nazis-flee-telegram-encrypted-app-simplex/ haskell went to the masses
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2024-10-06 03:56:51 +0200merijn(~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-10-06 03:57:56 +0200 <EvanR> but does it use blockchain
2024-10-06 03:58:01 +0200 <EvanR> otherwise, literally unusable
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2024-10-06 04:02:13 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> kind of sorry I recommended simplex the other day, now
2024-10-06 04:03:34 +0200 <dmj`> so this is why we avoid success at all costs
2024-10-06 04:03:57 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> hopefully that person will use it for good
2024-10-06 04:04:07 +0200gorignak(~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak
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2024-10-06 04:05:10 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> these failures to avoid success seem to be getting more frequent >:/
2024-10-06 04:05:34 +0200op_4(~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473) op_4
2024-10-06 04:06:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> now of course this can also be propaganda against untappable chat tech
2024-10-06 04:07:36 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> * an untappable chat app
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2024-10-06 04:11:33 +0200 <EvanR> I find it hard to believe it absolutely hides your identity
2024-10-06 04:12:28 +0200merijn(~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-10-06 04:13:37 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> considering it's so secure, wired seems to know a lot about what people are doing on SimpleX
2024-10-06 04:14:19 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> anyway. moving on
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2024-10-06 05:36:38 +0200 <user_> EvanR: the protocol is pretty sane but currently theres an issue that most people just use the main simplex servers for message delivery so they can still analyze where messages go and of course even in decentralized situations there can be collusion
2024-10-06 05:36:46 +0200 <user_> wait why am i user_
2024-10-06 05:36:50 +0200 <user_> brb....
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2024-10-06 05:37:04 +0200 <EvanR> user_ error
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2024-10-06 05:39:22 +0200 <fmira> okay thats better, so theres still the risk of message delivery not being safe from analysis but the e2ee itself is pretty solid iirc, i think they even used dependent types to prove that the cryptography is solid iirc
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2024-10-06 05:42:22 +0200 <EvanR> o_O
2024-10-06 05:43:15 +0200 <EvanR> sounds cool
2024-10-06 05:43:24 +0200 <EvanR> xcept for the nazis
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2024-10-06 05:45:13 +0200 <Inst> how does simplex plan to make money?
2024-10-06 05:45:39 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2024-10-06 05:55:21 +0200 <fmira> Inst: good question honestly, theyre vc funded
2024-10-06 05:55:32 +0200 <fmira> im guessing they'll at some point enshittify the whole thing
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2024-10-06 06:06:13 +0200 <Axman6> There's no easy way to ignore shadowing warnings for one function right? I've got a do block where I want to reuse a name multiple times as the value gets 'updated' (a ghetto state monad really)
2024-10-06 06:08:17 +0200 <JuanDaugherty> racist
2024-10-06 06:13:35 +0200 <ghoulguy> Axman6: not that I know of
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2024-10-06 07:03:42 +0200 <Axman6> GHC needs #pragma push and #pragma pop
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2024-10-06 07:05:22 +0200 <geekosaur> supposedly there's work to make warnings more fine-grained, but I don't know the status
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2024-10-06 08:55:08 +0200 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> anyone got a good intro for domain-theoretic semantic of recursive types?
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2024-10-06 09:32:23 +0200 <Inst> axman6: why can't you just stuff ' or numbers at the end?
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2024-10-06 09:33:34 +0200 <Axman6> because that makes it much harder to see that the code is correct, there could be an error anywhere and adding something in the middle means updating everything afterwards
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2024-10-06 10:05:45 +0200 <jackdk> it would be neat if you didn't get shadowing warnings for bindings consumed by a linear arrow
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2024-10-06 10:39:20 +0200 <artu> I tried to evaluate `count :: Int` in GHCi but got an error "Variable not in scope count :: Int". I want to try out haskell's full features on the REPL without creating a file or project. Any advice on that how can I achieve this interactively?
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2024-10-06 10:44:46 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Jade> did you define "count"? if not, you can't print it :P
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2024-10-06 10:47:16 +0200 <artu> doesn't this `count :: Int` claim/declare `count` as type `Int`? I'll define after the declaration. Apperantly I'm a noob here :)
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