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| 2024-10-01 10:10:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> what's a way to think about UI responsiveness? reponsiveness here understood as automatic reformating/rerendering of the program to be well-suited to the viewer's screen, e.g. in a mobile app |
| 2024-10-01 10:11:14 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> probably would like to distinguish some sort of "core" of the program from responsiveness, which doesn't seem essential to determine the meaning of the program |
| 2024-10-01 10:11:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> is responsiveness just an effect like any other? |
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| 2024-10-01 10:14:36 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
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| 2024-10-01 10:26:16 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm DOMs probably provide a good justification to model GUIs as trees, and then responsiveness can be treated as some sort of embedding of such trees into a context |
| 2024-10-01 10:27:54 +0200 | down200 | (~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-10-01 10:29:09 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | do note that many a (well-designed) website switches to a significantly different layout when viewed on a small enough screen |
| 2024-10-01 10:29:26 +0200 | <probie> | I doubt it. Minor changes to the tree can have drastic changes to the UI |
| 2024-10-01 10:29:33 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | i.e. a layout that cannot just be achieved by inserting or removing line breaks between tree elements |
| 2024-10-01 10:30:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | think also of things like: having a collapsible menu on mobile instead of a toolbar at the top on desktop |
| 2024-10-01 10:30:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm..... right |
| 2024-10-01 10:30:30 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-01 10:30:47 +0200 | down200 | (~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu) down200 |
| 2024-10-01 10:31:03 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | some people don't like that, but it's a valid design decision that has reasons behind it (conforming to the UI expectations of a different platform) |
| 2024-10-01 10:31:46 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (never mind that it's often implemented as page width check, meaning that a narrow desktop browser window may trigger the mobile UI, which is not ideal) |
| 2024-10-01 10:32:03 +0200 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d50-99-47-73.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2024-10-01 10:32:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | for simple websites, heuristics based on rearranging the tree may work well, but if you have precise requirements then that may not cut it |
| 2024-10-01 10:33:46 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | s/websites/UIs/ |
| 2024-10-01 10:33:52 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> can we not think first of some sort of tree which models, not layout, but order of appearance to a user? this is then is an immutable tree which could capture the core, non-responsive aspect of the application |
| 2024-10-01 10:34:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | if you sufficiently abstract the content from the presentation, and allow writing a bespoke renderer, then sure you can do this |
| 2024-10-01 10:35:07 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but then that solution is not necessarily very specific to "responsiveness" :) |
| 2024-10-01 10:38:54 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> maybe then responsiveness could appear as some sort of map from this order-of-appearance tree to something else? e.g. if an application has three possible layout readjustments, responsiveness could be modeled as a map from the order-of-appearance tree in one of three domains, and each of these domains internally model continuous deformations on the GUI within a certain threshold? |
| 2024-10-01 10:39:09 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> i don't know, maybe these domains are also trees? |
| 2024-10-01 10:39:15 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | sounds reasonable |
| 2024-10-01 10:53:31 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Quit: ljdarj) |
| 2024-10-01 10:53:35 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> oooooo if we reverse the direction we get a function that's surjective but not injective and the immutable tree can be thought of as some sort semantics |
| 2024-10-01 10:54:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | is that reverse a function at all? |
| 2024-10-01 10:54:29 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | is it not possible for multiple "content trees" to result in the same layouts? |
| 2024-10-01 10:55:02 +0200 | misterfish | (~misterfis@094190207253.static.ipv4.heldenvannu.net) misterfish |
| 2024-10-01 10:55:06 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> tomsmeding: hm an interested in this, would you have a short example? |
| 2024-10-01 10:55:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | not sure! |
| 2024-10-01 10:55:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it just feels like an unnecessary restriction on the layouting process |
| 2024-10-01 10:55:53 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | a classical example, though about text formatting and not about layout, is emphasis vs italics |
| 2024-10-01 10:56:30 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | in TeX, the italics command makes its argument, well, in italics font; the emphasis command does the same thing (output is indistinguishable), but _nesting_ emphasis commands makes the inner text upright again |
| 2024-10-01 10:56:38 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "emphasis within italics is upright text" |
| 2024-10-01 10:57:15 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | not sure if you'd have something like this in layouting, but I wouldn't be surprised if you do |
| 2024-10-01 10:57:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> that's a great example ty will be thinking about it |
| 2024-10-01 10:57:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | which has been the convention in books for over a century |
| 2024-10-01 10:57:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I have seen emphasis-within-italics few enough times in my life that I cannot judge that :p |
| 2024-10-01 10:58:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I just know that TeX does this |
| 2024-10-01 10:59:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (to be honest I always find it somewhat unsightly to see upright text within italics as meaning emphasis, but that's perhaps just me) |
| 2024-10-01 11:03:39 +0200 | vglfr | (~vglfr@2601:14d:4701:3b30:c3ef:3b3e:5ca1:502f) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-10-01 11:18:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | books didn't have many other options back then |
| 2024-10-01 11:19:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (physical lead type; phototypesetting wasn't a thing) |
| 2024-10-01 11:20:00 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | no underlining available? |
| 2024-10-01 11:20:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | probably other people find that even more unsightly |
| 2024-10-01 11:20:25 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I guess with typographical restrictions like that it makes much more sense to do this |
| 2024-10-01 11:20:35 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (and hence I wouldn't be annoyed about it) |
| 2024-10-01 11:21:08 +0200 | <eugenrh> | thirdofmay18081814goya, for what you mean by responsiveness, I've seen in use the term 'convergence'. |
| 2024-10-01 11:21:26 +0200 | <eugenrh> | Quote: "Convergence can also refer to being able to run the same app across different devices and being able to develop apps for different devices (such as smartphones, TVs and desktop computers) at once, with the same code base." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_convergence |
| 2024-10-01 11:21:42 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | that sounds like something broader than just layout adaptation |
| 2024-10-01 11:21:49 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "responsiveness" is a term from web development |
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| 2024-10-01 11:28:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | re underlining, you could get such type, but the more kinds of type you required the more expensive printing was. even bold was often simulated as a result ("typewriter bold") |
| 2024-10-01 11:28:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I see |
| 2024-10-01 11:28:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | because someone had to unload and reload the leads and an additional printing pass had to be made |
| 2024-10-01 11:29:01 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I sometimes see simulated boldface in PDFs and it's unsightly and pointless |
| 2024-10-01 11:30:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yeh, it wasn't so pointless back then though |
| 2024-10-01 11:30:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | of course :) |
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