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| 2024-09-23 00:17:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 2024-09-23 00:18:13 +0200 | <gwern> | anyway so I guess I should file a ubuntu bug for the ghc package asking for the existing ghc.bash to be installed appropriately? |
| 2024-09-23 00:21:02 +0200 | <sm> | that sounds good, and/or a ghc bug asking for the script to be updated for latest ghc |
| 2024-09-23 00:21:33 +0200 | gwern | figures that once it is actually enabled rather than buried in the deepest mustiest part of the ghc repo, then people will start filing bugs on its infelicities |
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| 2024-09-23 00:30:21 +0200 | <gwern> | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghc/+bug/2081666 |
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| 2024-09-23 00:49:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I love launchpad, haven't seen it for ages |
| 2024-09-23 00:49:55 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I just saw it again last night (they broke clang++, dammit) |
| 2024-09-23 00:50:35 +0200 | geekosaur | just upgraded to 24.04. it's a mixed bag, but generally positive because a lot of annoying bugs going back at least to 20.04 have finally been fixed |
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| 2024-09-23 01:00:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> đź‘€ |
| 2024-09-23 01:02:12 +0200 | athan | (~athan@syn-098-153-145-140.biz.spectrum.com) |
| 2024-09-23 01:03:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | first time I logged in a number of programs were behaving oddly, but exiting and restarting them fixed that. ??? |
| 2024-09-23 01:03:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hope that doesn't repeat on reboot |
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| 2024-09-23 01:36:59 +0200 | <cheater> | "i love launchpad" there's no way you're not alone on that |
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| 2024-09-23 06:58:38 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | Hi, I am confused in this piece of code: "toLeibniz Eq.Refl = refl @a" Â in the section "Equivalence of Leibniz and propositional equality" (https://ryanglscott.github.io/2021/08/22/leibniz-equality-in-haskell-part-1/), how does it work on the right hand side? |
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| 2024-09-23 06:59:54 +0200 | billchenchina- | (~billchenc@113.57.152.160) |
| 2024-09-23 07:02:42 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | I see that "refl = Refl id" so refl expects Refl constructor with a functor like argument. how does "a" fit the expected type? |
| 2024-09-23 07:02:50 +0200 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) |
| 2024-09-23 07:03:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | `a` is the expected type. The `@` indicates a type application https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/type_applications.html |
| 2024-09-23 07:04:24 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 2024-09-23 07:04:45 +0200 | <c_wraith> | ah, why did he reuse the constructor name? I don't expect Refl to have an argument! |
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| 2024-09-23 07:10:28 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | from what I understand, the expected return type is a:=b, so a := b |
| 2024-09-23 07:10:28 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | Refl _ |
| 2024-09-23 07:10:29 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | the hole after Refl should be: forall c. c a -> c b |
| 2024-09-23 07:10:43 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | I don't see why type a would work |
| 2024-09-23 07:11:03 +0200 | <Axman6> | what's the full type of refl, including forall? |
| 2024-09-23 07:11:05 +0200 | <c_wraith> | the @a is on a use of refl, not Refl |
| 2024-09-23 07:11:32 +0200 | <Axman6> | refl :: forall a. a := a, right? |
| 2024-09-23 07:12:00 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | right |
| 2024-09-23 07:12:38 +0200 | <Axman6> | so in toLeibniz :: forall a b. (a :~: b) -> (a := b) when we use refl @a, we're specifically saying we want to call refl with a being _the same `a`_ as our call to toLeibniz |
| 2024-09-23 07:12:57 +0200 | jinsun | (~jinsun@user/jinsun) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 07:13:53 +0200 | <Axman6> | if we had x = Int :~: Int, then toLiebnitz x would become refl @Int |
| 2024-09-23 07:14:09 +0200 | <Axman6> | toLeibniz even |
| 2024-09-23 07:15:43 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | ok, how do we get to a := b from this call? |
| 2024-09-23 07:15:56 +0200 | <Axman6> | (uh, I guess x :: Int :~: Int; x = Refl, but yo uknow what I mean) |
| 2024-09-23 07:16:17 +0200 | <Axman6> | that's what refl does, it produces something of type a := a |
| 2024-09-23 07:17:08 +0200 | <Axman6> | but we're being specific about which a, it's the same a that the argument to toLeibniz had (and :~: is evidence that a ~ b, so we can produce a := b, a.k.a a := a) |
| 2024-09-23 07:17:21 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | I still don't see how the input (a :~: b) is used anywhere to get to the result |
| 2024-09-23 07:17:27 +0200 | <Axman6> | (someone please jump in if I'm completely wrong here) |
| 2024-09-23 07:19:24 +0200 | <Axman6> | it's not, it's all happening at the type system. But we know that if we received _anything_ of type a :~: b, then it could only have been a value of Refl, which requires that a ~ b, so we've been given evidence that those types are the same. Then we call refl at the type a to produce a := a. The argument is unused, but its type is used |
| 2024-09-23 07:20:20 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Yeah. When you match on Eq.Refl, it adds (a ~ b) to the context |
| 2024-09-23 07:20:34 +0200 | <c_wraith> | So GHC treats the two type variables as interchangeable |
| 2024-09-23 07:21:08 +0200 | <c_wraith> | That's one of the main feature of GADTs, and not really in scope for that post. I think it expect you to know what they do already. |
| 2024-09-23 07:21:35 +0200 | libertyprime | (~libertypr@118-92-68-68.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 2024-09-23 07:21:38 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | I see, it's getting clearer... |
| 2024-09-23 07:22:15 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) |
| 2024-09-23 07:22:36 +0200 | <Axman6> | Notice the definition of :~:: data a :~: b where Refl :: a :~: a -- you can only produce values of type a :~: b is a is equal to b |
| 2024-09-23 07:22:52 +0200 | <Axman6> | if* |
| 2024-09-23 07:23:05 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | so the refl call with type a then compiler see that the expected type is a := b but since a ~ b so refl works |
| 2024-09-23 07:23:26 +0200 | <c_wraith> | yes, exactly |
| 2024-09-23 07:23:47 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | so the key is a ~ b is the information bring into the scope by pattern matching the input |
| 2024-09-23 07:24:07 +0200 | <c_wraith> | yes. Matching specifically that constructor brings that into scope. |
| 2024-09-23 07:26:50 +0200 | <lambdaRule> | Thanks a lot! c_wraith, Axman6, geekosaur. |
| 2024-09-23 07:28:16 +0200 | <Axman6> | :~: is probably one of the more confusing common uses of GADTs, seeing the usual example of a simple expression tree is useful for understanding how each constructor carries some typoe information which gets exposed by pattern matching |
| 2024-09-23 07:28:55 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@77.22.252.56) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 07:30:03 +0200 | <c_wraith> | It's really funny looking at everything in Data.Type.Equality with a definition like foo Refl = Refl or bar Refl Refl = Refl |
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| 2024-09-23 07:30:13 +0200 | <c_wraith> | all the work is being done in the type system with the GADTs |
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| 2024-09-23 07:30:22 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-007-153-048.176.7.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2024-09-23 07:31:24 +0200 | <Axman6> | like data Expr a where Num :: Int -> Expr Int; Bool' :: Bool -> Expr Bool; Plus :: Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr a; Eq :: Eq a => Expr a -> Expr a -> Expr Bool. When you pattern match on eval :: Expr a -> a; eval e = case e of Eq a b -> eval a == eval b; ...; we've brought into scope that the two expressions represent something of the same type, and that those types have an Eq constraint so we can use == |
| 2024-09-23 07:31:48 +0200 | <Axman6> | that would have been better as a paste... |
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| 2024-09-23 09:14:28 +0200 | ThePenguin7 | ThePenguin |
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| 2024-09-23 09:41:43 +0200 | biberu\ | biberu |
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| 2024-09-23 10:07:01 +0200 | <Lears> | A cute addendum to the topic of Leibniz equality: https://gist.github.com/LSLeary/af10f744b591796c988fda05d7dd65fa |
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| 2024-09-23 16:29:29 +0200 | <raehik> | I want to check two Word64# s for equality, but in the event of inequality, I want to see which byte failed first (from left to right). I could do this with `and64#` and checking the output. Would this be any slower than using `eqWord64#`? |
| 2024-09-23 16:31:26 +0200 | <merijn> | raehik: Probably not in any sensible manner :p |
| 2024-09-23 16:31:30 +0200 | <raehik> | In my head, I can make up some assembly where both are the same number of instructions (assuming 8-byte instructions). But it would rely on doing a conditional jump on the boolean op result, which I don't know how to control |
| 2024-09-23 16:31:36 +0200 | <raehik> | (actually probably I want xor not and but w/e) |
| 2024-09-23 16:32:51 +0200 | <raehik> | merijn: ok thx just going by feel here. think I do both and compare output assembly |
| 2024-09-23 16:33:47 +0200 | rosco | (~rosco@175.136.158.234) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-09-23 16:35:12 +0200 | <raehik> | atrociously pointless optimization for the error case which should not happen much xd |
| 2024-09-23 16:35:44 +0200 | <merijn> | I mean, that doesn't tell you much either |
| 2024-09-23 16:36:01 +0200 | <merijn> | Less instructions is not the same as faster |
| 2024-09-23 16:36:41 +0200 | <raehik> | merijn: that's true, but I figured I could google for general case comparing XOR with whatever gets used for `eqX` |
| 2024-09-23 16:36:44 +0200 | <merijn> | Like, we're talking performance differences that would probably take you weeks of micro-benchmark writing to determine |
| 2024-09-23 16:37:39 +0200 | <raehik> | oh. I was most interested in instruction count. I figured that would tell me enough |
| 2024-09-23 16:39:06 +0200 | <raehik> | I figure I could benchmark the instructions themselves with C if I wanted, but I assume there's some programmer knowledge out there like "your average ALU will do all these operations at the same speed" |
| 2024-09-23 16:40:50 +0200 | <merijn> | raehik: I mean, benchmarking that accurately in C would still take you weeks of benchmark writing :p |
| 2024-09-23 16:40:58 +0200 | <merijn> | because micro-benchmarking is HAAAAAAARD |
| 2024-09-23 16:41:44 +0200 | <raehik> | merijn: thanks I admittedly don't know much about micro-benchmarking! |
| 2024-09-23 16:42:35 +0200 | <raehik> | thinking more about it, I'm sure the equality check should be faster by an instruction in some way |
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| 2024-09-23 17:16:07 +0200 | <raehik> | merijn: you're right it's much more complex than I thought and I can't find definite answers online for x86(-64) or ARM! I was right thinking that XOR _should_ be faster than "default" equality checks via CMP/SUB, but modern processors & ISAs are clever and weird |
| 2024-09-23 17:17:05 +0200 | <raehik> | in any case I should still use XOR in the failure case so I will be writing both, so might do some unscientific benchmarking |
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| 2024-09-23 19:14:03 +0200 | <probie> | raehik: Can't you just calculate msb(xor(a, b))? It involves no branching, so should be pipeline friendly and (not sure if this is of value in this case) easily vectorisable |
| 2024-09-23 19:14:25 +0200 | <probie> | s/easily/is easily/ |
| 2024-09-23 19:15:32 +0200 | <apache2> | Ranhir: CMP/SUB is unlikely to be slower than XOR |
| 2024-09-23 19:16:21 +0200 | <apache2> | depends a little bit on instruction encoding, but they all add contention on CF |
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| 2024-09-23 19:17:40 +0200 | <apache2> | anything involving JMP is going to set you back miles compared to those |
| 2024-09-23 19:18:40 +0200 | <apache2> | sorry Ranhir, meant to highlight raehik |
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| 2024-09-23 19:22:39 +0200 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
| 2024-09-23 19:22:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | probie raehik: for msb() read 'countLeadingZeros x `div` 8' |
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| 2024-09-23 19:25:18 +0200 | <probie> | oh right, which "byte" not "bit". Are we doing little endian or big endian? |
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| 2024-09-23 19:40:59 +0200 | <probie> | For little endian, left to right, I end up with `(71## `minusWord#` clz64# (a `xor64#` b)) `uncheckedShiftRL#` 3#` |
| 2024-09-23 19:42:52 +0200 | <probie> | (with 0## being returned on equality) |
| 2024-09-23 19:45:48 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | is there someone around who is knowledgeable around asynchronous exceptions? In the FFI chapter of the GHC user guide, there is a code example for allowing C code to wake up a Haskell thread via a put to an MVar: https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/ffi.html#waking-up-haskell-threads-from-c |
| 2024-09-23 19:45:59 +0200 | <probie> | Oh, that doesn't quite work. It returns the _last_ byte |
| 2024-09-23 19:46:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the code snippet (`import GHC.Conc ...`) takes care to handle asynchronous exceptions that cancel the takeMVar -- but this is all happening inside `mask_`! |
| 2024-09-23 19:46:35 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | How can there be exceptions in the first place if everything is masked? |
| 2024-09-23 19:47:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | or is takeMVar always interruptible, regardless of the mask context? If so, why is this not mentioned in big screaming letters in the haddocks? |
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| 2024-09-23 19:49:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh it's in the fine print here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.0.0/docs/Control-Exception.html#g:13 |
| 2024-09-23 19:49:53 +0200 | <probie> | If you change it to `ctz#` it returns the first, but numbered backwards (e.g 8 for the first byte, 7 for the second byte etc.) |
| 2024-09-23 19:51:19 +0200 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 19:51:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ok that answers my question. Thank you for rubber ducking :) |
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| 2024-09-23 19:54:40 +0200 | <probie> | (9## `minusWord#` ((71## `minusWord#` ctz64# (a `xor64#` b)) `uncheckedShiftRL#` 3#)) `remWord#` 9## -- but now it contains rem, I'm not sure it's worth it |
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| 2024-09-23 21:01:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 21:02:35 +0200 | adanwan | (~adanwan@gateway/tor-sasl/adanwan) adanwan |
| 2024-09-23 21:04:53 +0200 | jle` | (~jle`@2603:8001:3b02:84d4:4e01:3d77:727d:559b) jle` |
| 2024-09-23 21:06:09 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:09:21 +0200 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i |
| 2024-09-23 21:12:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 21:16:30 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-002-006-097.176.2.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-09-23 21:16:35 +0200 | haskellbridge | (~hackager@syn-024-093-192-219.res.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-09-23 21:17:30 +0200 | haskellbridge | (~hackager@syn-024-093-192-219.res.spectrum.com) hackager |
| 2024-09-23 21:17:30 +0200 | ChanServ | +v haskellbridge |
| 2024-09-23 21:17:44 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:18:40 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad3f0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-09-23 21:18:56 +0200 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937) |
| 2024-09-23 21:21:02 +0200 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |
| 2024-09-23 21:22:42 +0200 | benjaminl | (~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-09-23 21:22:58 +0200 | benjaminl | (~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) benjaminl |
| 2024-09-23 21:24:01 +0200 | kuribas | (~user@ptr-17d51enh08wgcmf553y.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)) |
| 2024-09-23 21:27:03 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2024-09-23 21:28:11 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 21:30:07 +0200 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:31:25 +0200 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i |
| 2024-09-23 21:35:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:41:33 +0200 | athan | (~athan@syn-098-153-145-140.biz.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:45:54 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 21:48:24 +0200 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:50:39 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:07 +0200 | haskellbridge | (~hackager@syn-024-093-192-219.res.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:16 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:31 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:40 +0200 | haskellbridge | (~hackager@syn-024-093-192-219.res.spectrum.com) hackager |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:40 +0200 | ChanServ | +v haskellbridge |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:53 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-09-23 21:54:57 +0200 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84.53.85.146) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 21:57:46 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2024-09-23 22:01:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 22:06:39 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 22:17:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-09-23 22:22:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-09-23 22:23:04 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad3f0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |