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| 2026-04-03 20:35:16 +0000 | <dolio> | Part of the problem is people unthinkinly obeying stuff in -Wall. |
| 2026-04-03 20:34:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | good, question resolved, it's aeson's problem :p |
| 2026-04-03 20:33:59 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | agreed |
| 2026-04-03 20:33:52 +0000 | <dolio> | And the rule should mean that random other idiots shouldn't be writing orphan instances for aeson. |
| 2026-04-03 20:33:36 +0000 | <dolio> | It seems like it should be okay for aeson to separate a canonical package out with orphan quick check instances. |
| 2026-04-03 20:33:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but yeah, here I'm really at a loss why there isn't `aeson` and then `aeson-quickcheck` which gives the Arbitrary instances, apart from blowing up the number of tiny packages on Hackage |
| 2026-04-03 20:33:19 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 20:32:47 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | (which is conventionally weakened to at least "no orphan instances in libraries", because in leaf applications they don't really hurt) |
| 2026-04-03 20:32:44 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I feel like it should be possible to declare exceptions |
| 2026-04-03 20:32:25 +0000 | <dolio> | I don't. |
| 2026-04-03 20:32:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | well, GHC's, if you consider GHC's warnings rules |
| 2026-04-03 20:31:50 +0000 | <dolio> | Whose rule is the no orphans rule? |
| 2026-04-03 20:30:38 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | the no-orphans rule understandable for soundness, but it has so many bad effects on a package ecosystem |
| 2026-04-03 20:30:09 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | answer: aeson wants to provide Arbitrary instances for stuff |
| 2026-04-03 20:29:47 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | there's a whole discussion there but I feel like it all comes down to the problem it always comes down to: why the f*** does aeson even depend on quickcheck |
| 2026-04-03 20:29:20 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | On the haskell-cafe mailing list there's a remark that aeson doesn't seem to be updated, and that its bound on QuickCheck needs to be bumped; aeson maintainers in turn complain that QuickCheck maintainers have strange views API stability, resulting in aeson not being able to upgrade to newest QuickCheck while keeping aeson's API stability views |
| 2026-04-03 20:28:19 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 20:17:15 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 20:11:32 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 20:07:21 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 20:03:56 +0000 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2026-04-03 20:03:55 +0000 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 20:02:11 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 20:01:21 +0000 | jmcantrell_ | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2026-04-03 19:58:32 +0000 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2026-04-03 19:57:43 +0000 | slomp | (~slomp@47-158-212-88.lsan.ca.frontiernet.net) |
| 2026-04-03 19:56:58 +0000 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-04-03 19:54:55 +0000 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:54:05 +0000 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2026-04-03 19:53:33 +0000 | ncf | (~ncf@monade.li) ncf |
| 2026-04-03 19:51:12 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:46:28 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 19:44:23 +0000 | ncf | ncf- |
| 2026-04-03 19:35:24 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:30:38 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 19:20:07 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:19:14 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d172-219-48-230.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:16:45 +0000 | koz | (~koz@121.99.240.58) |
| 2026-04-03 19:14:48 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 19:14:43 +0000 | koz | (~koz@121.99.240.58) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:12:57 +0000 | srk | (~sorki@user/srk) srk |
| 2026-04-03 19:08:53 +0000 | srk | (~sorki@user/srk) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 19:03:55 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-03 18:59:44 +0000 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2026-04-03 18:58:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-03 18:55:56 +0000 | <lambdabot> | Void -> a |
| 2026-04-03 18:55:55 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :t absurd |
| 2026-04-03 18:53:49 +0000 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2026-04-03 18:52:04 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-03 18:48:23 +0000 | absurdvoid | (~absurdvoi@user/absurdvoid) absurdvoid |