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2026-01-23 00:14:16 +0100 <jackdk> Perhaps most approachable free intro. Optics By Example is worth the price.
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2026-01-23 00:20:24 +0100 <chromoblob> how the fuck are you supposed to write Haskell without recursion
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2026-01-23 00:20:52 +0100 <chromoblob> and how is Haskell without recursion supposed to be useful
2026-01-23 00:23:28 +0100 <geekosaur> I think tht usually means without _explicit_ recursion, e.g. using folds/traverses
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2026-01-23 00:34:18 +0100 <jreicher> chromoblob: who's saying you should write Haskell without recursion?
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2026-01-23 01:10:11 +0100 <EvanR> the answer the question, certain patterns of recursion can be encapulsated in combinators that magically have the same effect
2026-01-23 01:10:13 +0100 <EvanR> to
2026-01-23 01:10:31 +0100 <EvanR> e.g. map and fold
2026-01-23 01:10:42 +0100 <EvanR> they can't do everything, but the more such tools you have the more you can do
2026-01-23 01:10:58 +0100 <EvanR> but sometimes explicit recursion makes more sense
2026-01-23 01:11:28 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-23 01:16:39 +0100 <probie> how are imperative languages without goto supposed to be useful?
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2026-01-23 02:05:55 +0100 <systemfault> for loops/while/etc...
2026-01-23 02:07:45 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-23 02:08:40 +0100 <jackdk> I think probie is asking rhetorically, to provide an analogous question/answer pair to chromoblob/EvanR.
2026-01-23 02:08:58 +0100 <EvanR> lol
2026-01-23 02:09:57 +0100 <EvanR> clearly systemfault is answering in such a way intentionally to highlight the irony
2026-01-23 02:10:53 +0100 <EvanR> this is what it's like in the tiplerian omega point simulation where everyone already knows everything anyone could talk about
2026-01-23 02:11:35 +0100 <systemfault> Yeah... that said, I don't know what a tiplerian omega point simulation is...
2026-01-23 02:13:14 +0100 <geekosaur> sounds to me like someone's been tippling on physics 🙂
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2026-01-23 03:10:07 +0100 <Leary> chromoblob: Write all your co/inductive co/data types in greatest/least-fixed-point form, and all your logic in folds. It's not even as bad as it sounds!
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2026-01-23 03:33:01 +0100 <jackdk> Reminds me of Dhall
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2026-01-23 03:43:36 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-23 03:47:59 +0100 <Leary> It should; Haskell sans recursion ~ System F ~ Dhall.
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2026-01-23 04:45:26 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Zemyla> You can even zip lists by folding over both of them.
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2026-01-23 04:55:05 +0100 <monochrom> Belated: My hot take: How are languages without call/cc or at least shift/reset supposed to be useful? >:)
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2026-01-23 05:17:51 +0100 <probie> Zemyla: You don't need to fold over both them, just one
2026-01-23 05:23:07 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-23 05:23:20 +0100 <probie> > let zip' = foldr (\x k ys -> case ys of { [] -> []; y:ys' -> (x,y):k ys' }) (const []) in zip' "hello" "world!"
2026-01-23 05:23:21 +0100 <lambdabot> [('h','w'),('e','o'),('l','r'),('l','l'),('o','d')]
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2026-01-23 05:29:11 +0100 <ncf> well, case ys is a fold, just not a recursive one
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2026-01-23 05:32:05 +0100 <probie> It's a lesser fold. A crease? :p
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2026-01-23 05:33:16 +0100 <ncf> i will concede 'a ply'
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2026-01-23 05:51:25 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
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2026-01-23 05:54:50 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Zemyla> @let newtype Z a b = Z { runZ :: a -> (Z a b -> b) -> b }
2026-01-23 05:55:20 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Zemyla> Apparently lambdabot doesn't like the bridge.
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2026-01-23 06:00:29 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
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2026-01-23 06:10:50 +0100 <probie> Zemyla: try putting a blank line before what you want to feed to lambdabot
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2026-01-23 06:15:11 +0100 <chromoblob> Leary: could you elaborate, maybe give an example?
2026-01-23 06:15:51 +0100 <probie> If you send "foo\nbar" it should come through as "<haskellbridge> <Zemyla> foo\n<haskellbridge> bar", so the second line should come through as a separate message, without your username in front and will be picked up by lambdabot or yahb2
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2026-01-23 07:22:59 +0100 <Leary> chromoblob: https://gist.github.com/LSLeary/0247b813ad063409d4d09eccc5b077e0
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2026-01-23 07:31:30 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Related https://github.com/sellout/no-recursion
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2026-01-23 07:47:43 +0100 <probie> recursion-schemes gives you general recursion anyway
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2026-01-23 07:50:10 +0100 <Leary> "recursion schemes" /= "recursion-schemes"
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2026-01-23 08:23:28 +0100 <ncf> if you're not allergic to general recursion you can do the exact same thing using just one data type and no impredicative encodings https://gist.github.com/ncfavier/d42d077745c73dfb2e2c58592b1cd7e1
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2026-01-23 08:24:51 +0100 <ncf> (note that general recursion is used rather controlledly here, in `fold` and `unfold`, so you could make those abstract and pretend they are primitives)
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2026-01-23 09:42:04 +0100 <Leary> ncf: That fails to encapsulate general recursion since it's easily recoverable in the form of `fix :: (a -> a) -> a`, though perhaps if we also disallowed bottoms that wouldn't be the case.
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2026-01-23 09:50:04 +0100 <gentauro> jackdk: thx for links and info. It's a bit sad that `eXchange` lost all their IP when they went bankrupt and now the few surviving videos look like they were recorded with a toaster :'(
2026-01-23 09:50:34 +0100 <jackdk> Yeah it's such a shame. Though I don't think that particular talk ever had a good recording
2026-01-23 09:50:55 +0100 <gentauro> I actually tried to "re-spawn" the hole concept of `eXchange` again as they were bought by Trifork. I made slides and stuff and provided all the "nice" names
2026-01-23 09:51:16 +0100 <gentauro> then suddently, you see all those names at "GOTO Conferences" (yeah Trifork also own them)
2026-01-23 09:51:46 +0100 <int-e> I know it was a typo, but "hole concept" is pretty accurate (think "memory hole")
2026-01-23 09:51:48 +0100 <gentauro> never EVER trust `corpos`. It's just a matter of if, but when, they will screw you :(
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2026-01-23 09:53:08 +0100 <gentauro> the good thing? At least they bring "the names" to mainstream -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg0RYLlmjJM
2026-01-23 09:53:13 +0100 <gentauro> ;)
2026-01-23 09:53:54 +0100 <gentauro> and good old Kris -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOz66dcsuT8
2026-01-23 09:54:54 +0100 <gentauro> Elm Evan -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TklYhw0Kl58 (btw, does anybody know if that `lang` is `dead`?)
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