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2026-01-03 00:38:48 +0100Inline(~User@cgn-195-14-221-74.nc.de) Inline
2026-01-03 00:39:50 +0100 <yin> huge tangent but I just reminded myself of someone using sleep to efficiently sort a list of ints
2026-01-03 00:40:13 +0100 <geekosaur> snerk
2026-01-03 00:42:55 +0100 <yin> apparently they call it sleep sort now
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2026-01-03 01:32:58 +0100 <monochrom> Does it mean that if the list to be sorted is [n] then it will sleep for n units of time? So Ω(n) time for sorting a singleton list? That's efficient?
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2026-01-03 01:37:43 +0100 <geekosaur> for a specific definitoon of "efficient" 🙂
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2026-01-03 02:51:47 +0100 <epitron> You can speed it up by a factor of 1000 by only sleeping for 1ms
2026-01-03 02:52:02 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 02:52:38 +0100 <epitron> Also its runtime is the largest value in the list, not the list size
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2026-01-03 02:53:10 +0100epitronsleep sort expert
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2026-01-03 03:04:44 +0100 <monochrom> > 2^64 / 1000 / 86400
2026-01-03 03:04:51 +0100 <monochrom> % 2^64 / 1000 / 86400
2026-01-03 03:04:51 +0100 <yahb2> 2.135039823346013e11
2026-01-03 03:04:55 +0100 <monochrom> That's 2 days.
2026-01-03 03:05:35 +0100 <monochrom> It means that if I sort a list of just a few 64-bit numbers I'm already waiting 2 days.
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2026-01-03 03:08:16 +0100 <monochrom> OTOH if the list has 1,000,000 numbers, we are spawning 1,000,000 threads. At that point the OS overhead of spawning so many threads becomes unbearable; and even if you find a way to tolerate it, the huge uncertainty that some threads start counting early, some others start count late, means that your sleep time cannot be as short as 1ms.
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2026-01-03 03:14:11 +0100 <monochrom> Once again the fallacy of seeing O/Θ/Ω("n") and thinking "I only see 'n', so linear time, and if I can easily make a 1000x speedup then it's fast", forgetting that really n = 2^k where k is the number of input bits, so you're looking at exponential time, at which point a 1000x speedup fails to catch up.
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2026-01-03 11:50:25 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2026-01-03 11:52:03 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 11:52:32 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-03 11:56:35 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 12:00:26 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-03 12:05:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 12:10:22 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-03 12:20:57 +0100GdeVolpiano(~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-03 12:21:14 +0100GdeVolpiano(~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) GdeVolpiano
2026-01-03 12:22:27 +0100GdeVolpiano(~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) (Client Quit)
2026-01-03 12:33:28 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-03 12:37:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 12:42:07 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 12:46:35 +0100aetepe(~aetepe@188.119.58.52) aetepe
2026-01-03 12:47:04 +0100mmohammadi9812(~mohammad@85.185.35.42) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-03 12:47:20 +0100mmohammadi9812(~mohammad@85.185.35.42) mmohammadi9812
2026-01-03 12:53:08 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 12:58:22 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:06:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 13:10:54 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-03 13:10:55 +0100Inline(~User@cgn-195-14-221-74.nc.de) Inline
2026-01-03 13:12:01 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:14:16 +0100Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2026-01-03 13:22:53 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 13:29:28 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:36:44 +0100CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:41:11 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 13:45:35 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:46:10 +0100crazazy(~crazazy@tilde.town) crazazy
2026-01-03 13:56:26 +0100crazazy(~crazazy@tilde.town) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2026-01-03 13:56:33 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 13:59:15 +0100Square3(~Square@user/square) Square
2026-01-03 13:59:25 +0100mmohammadi9812(~mohammad@85.185.35.42) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:01:27 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:02:35 +0100aetepe(~aetepe@188.119.58.52) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:05:17 +0100smalltalkman(uid545680@id-545680.hampstead.irccloud.com) smalltalkman
2026-01-03 14:07:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 14:12:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:23:30 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 14:28:27 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:29:18 +0100aetepe(~aetepe@188.119.58.52) aetepe
2026-01-03 14:33:15 +0100aetepe(~aetepe@188.119.58.52) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:34:22 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 14:39:18 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 14:41:37 +0100Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Quit: alsoknownas.renjuan.org ( juan@acm.org ))
2026-01-03 14:42:44 +0100aetepe(~aetepe@188.119.58.52) aetepe
2026-01-03 14:44:20 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2026-01-03 14:55:06 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 14:59:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 15:00:48 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2026-01-03 15:01:36 +0100Motok(~moto@user/Motok) Motok
2026-01-03 15:08:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 15:09:13 +0100CloneOfNone(~CloneOfNo@user/CloneOfNone) CloneOfNone
2026-01-03 15:09:15 +0100CloneOfNone_(~CloneOfNo@user/CloneOfNone) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 15:11:39 +0100Miroboru(~myrvoll@188.113.115.67) Miroboru
2026-01-03 15:13:04 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2026-01-03 15:15:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 15:18:05 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 15:18:47 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Client Quit)
2026-01-03 15:28:13 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 15:28:54 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Client Quit)
2026-01-03 15:29:32 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 15:32:31 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-03 15:33:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-03 15:39:18 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 15:40:10 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Client Quit)
2026-01-03 15:40:41 +0100crazazy(~crazazy@tilde.town) crazazy
2026-01-03 15:44:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-03 15:46:39 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) wennefer0
2026-01-03 15:47:53 +0100wennefer0(~wennefer0@user/wennefer0) (Client Quit)