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2025-05-01 05:51:05 +0200 <sm> @where+ haskell-map https://joyful.com/Haskell+map
2025-05-01 05:51:05 +0200 <lambdabot> Good to know.
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2025-05-01 06:07:18 +0200 <JuanDaugherty> joyful lookin good; fp-complete otoh seems to have gone all coin all the time
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2025-05-01 06:57:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> thanks JuanDaugherty. Yes I see a rename to FP Block.. haskell learning content seems still intact
2025-05-01 06:58:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> for now
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2025-05-01 07:08:27 +0200 <JuanDaugherty> i pity a capitalistici
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2025-05-01 07:38:46 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> it seems to echo the cultural values of key FP Complete personnel
2025-05-01 07:39:01 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> that said, yes, Crypto is an anarcho-capitalist attack on central banking
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2025-05-01 07:40:45 +0200 <mauke> "crypto" is cryptography, cryptocurrency is a scam
2025-05-01 07:41:24 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> technically worse than a scam depending on your politics, fiat is a confidence scheme + legal / state power forcing you to recognize it as legit
2025-05-01 07:41:39 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> cryptocurrency + confidence scheme + ??? forcing you to recognize it as legit
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2025-05-01 07:41:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> erm, cryptocurrency = confidence scheme +
2025-05-01 07:43:09 +0200 <mauke> cryptocurrency is fiat
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2025-05-01 08:01:49 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> of the cryptocurrency companies
2025-05-01 08:01:58 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> except the transaction time is long
2025-05-01 08:02:06 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> i also consider gold a confidence scheme
2025-05-01 08:02:21 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> except with "ooh shiny" and corrosion resistence
2025-05-01 08:02:25 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> *resistance
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2025-05-01 08:05:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> is Haskell a scheme?
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2025-05-01 08:06:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> (off topic heavy... trying to bring the H word back)
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2025-05-01 08:25:23 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> A Scheme as in the standardised lang family? No, it doesn't follow the standard at all
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2025-05-01 09:10:40 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> Embarrassingly, I did not know about "Extra-Constraints Wildcard", named wildcats (part of ghc2021!), and Inferred variables syntax {m}...
2025-05-01 09:10:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> The extra constraints wildcard seems super powerful: I hate to list all the conversations sometimes, I wonder if it simplifies my code.
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2025-05-01 09:15:39 +0200 <tomsmeding> hellwolf: what "extra constraints wildcard" are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing
2025-05-01 09:16:25 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/partial_type_signatures.html#extra-constra…
2025-05-01 09:16:36 +0200 <tomsmeding> TIL
2025-05-01 09:16:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> check this out. i was surprised too. i should really RTFM
2025-05-01 09:16:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> _please_ do not use that for public API. :)
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2025-05-01 09:17:23 +0200dhil(~dhil@5.151.29.141) dhil
2025-05-01 09:17:28 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> :p i thought so too. what's your reason?
2025-05-01 09:17:57 +0200 <tomsmeding> even if haddock infers what the actual constraint list is (don't know if it does), sometimes it's helpful for a reader to look at the source
2025-05-01 09:18:12 +0200 <tomsmeding> stuff like this is _very_ unhelpful when trying to understand what's going on
2025-05-01 09:18:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> I guess s/constraint list/type/, i.e. don't use PartialTypeSignatures in public API
2025-05-01 09:18:55 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> Indeed, but i do have internal code that repeats for no good reason (i think)
2025-05-01 09:19:07 +0200 <tomsmeding> an option could be a type synonym
2025-05-01 09:19:22 +0200 <tomsmeding> but depends on how uniform the constraints actually are
2025-05-01 09:19:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> in any case, this is an opinion, so take it as one :p
2025-05-01 09:20:27 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> i would use partial type signature inside function where someone i use (:: A a b) for documentation purposes when the mini type tetris game being non-trivial
2025-05-01 09:20:53 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> *sometimes
2025-05-01 09:21:12 +0200tomsmedingis failing to parse that sentence properly
2025-05-01 09:21:47 +0200 <tomsmeding> you're saying that you put a full type signature on the top-level function but use PTSs inside local where- or let-bound functions?
2025-05-01 09:21:58 +0200 <tomsmeding> to fix inference issues?
2025-05-01 09:22:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> if so, that sounds perfectly fine to me
2025-05-01 09:22:16 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> let x = f y :: T a _
2025-05-01 09:22:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> right
2025-05-01 09:22:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> sometimes such things can be replaced with type applications to e.g. `f` here
2025-05-01 09:22:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> yeah, there are cases where i don't care about the specific type var
2025-05-01 09:22:54 +0200 <tomsmeding> but far from always, and certainly the result is not always easier to read
2025-05-01 09:22:57 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-05-01 09:23:24 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> i use interchangeably, sometimes one style reads better than another
2025-05-01 09:23:42 +0200 <tomsmeding> but I've seen cases where these kinds of situations can be made more readable by putting some well-chosen type variable orderings on a few functions (with explicit `forall`), resulting in the majority of the ambiguous situations being resolvable by a single type application
2025-05-01 09:24:06 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> "timtowdi", but in Haskell
2025-05-01 09:24:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> there are way too many ways to do it
2025-05-01 09:24:42 +0200 <tomsmeding> haskell is not a turing tarpit :p
2025-05-01 09:24:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> yea, i have seen that. it's a mini type tetris game
2025-05-01 09:25:03 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> the fun that Haskell gives
2025-05-01 09:25:08 +0200 <tomsmeding> it's great!
2025-05-01 09:25:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> somehow puzzling with all the ways you can do something to find the nicest one in haskell is not too bad, and doing the same in C++ (which is just as much of a kitchen sink) makes you want to tear your hair out
2025-05-01 09:26:35 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-05-01 09:26:39 +0200 <tomsmeding> perhaps it gets even better in a dependently-typed language; even less arbitrary restrictions
2025-05-01 09:26:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> s/less/fewer/
2025-05-01 09:27:00 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> having the proper type inference foundation helps
2025-05-01 09:27:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> it does
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2025-05-01 15:54:59 +0200jespada(~jespada@r190-133-55-103.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-05-01 15:55:01 +0200ystael(~ystael@user/ystael) ystael
2025-05-01 15:59:57 +0200drewr(~drew@user/drewr) drewr
2025-05-01 16:02:51 +0200comerijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-05-01 16:05:49 +0200merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-05-01 16:08:19 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 16:08:54 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2025-05-01 16:10:07 +0200okra(~okra@194.114.136.26) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-05-01 16:13:29 +0200mange(~user@user/mange) (Quit: Zzz...)
2025-05-01 16:26:23 +0200dhil(~dhil@5.151.29.141) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-01 16:27:50 +0200j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-05-01 16:28:14 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-01 16:32:10 +0200Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo
2025-05-01 16:34:35 +0200SlackCoder(~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) SlackCoder
2025-05-01 16:39:43 +0200dhil(~dhil@openvpn-125-1069.inf.ed.ac.uk) dhil
2025-05-01 16:46:26 +0200SlackCoder(~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-05-01 16:52:38 +0200lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) (Quit: WeeChat 4.5.1)
2025-05-01 17:03:10 +0200tabaqui(~tabaqui@167.71.80.236) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:08:12 +0200sp1ff`(~user@c-67-160-173-55.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 17:08:51 +0200sp1ff`(~user@c-67-160-173-55.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
2025-05-01 17:15:45 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:16:03 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-130-078.176.6.pool.telefonica.de)
2025-05-01 17:16:04 +0200Square3(~Square@user/square) Square
2025-05-01 17:19:34 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-05-01 17:27:27 +0200adamCS(~adamCS@70.19.85.77) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 17:31:24 +0200tabaqui(~tabaqui@167.71.80.236) tabaqui
2025-05-01 17:33:33 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-130-078.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 17:33:51 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2025-05-01 17:38:34 +0200ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) (Quit: Fading out...)
2025-05-01 17:39:59 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@2409:251:9040:2c00:5e55:d47f:a0ce:2852) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:42:40 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:46:49 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:47:13 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2025-05-01 17:48:10 +0200sajenim(~sajenim@user/sajenim) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-01 17:51:58 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 17:52:46 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@ip4d17f82f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2025-05-01 17:57:04 +0200__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) toonn
2025-05-01 18:04:01 +0200tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:81f6:6a75:5fad:c9b4)
2025-05-01 18:07:24 +0200nacation(~m-3l4s76@user/nacation) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-05-01 18:08:27 +0200nacation(~m-3l4s76@user/nacation) nacation
2025-05-01 18:12:40 +0200acidjnk_new(~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f7654cd17dc22dc88eb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-01 18:13:03 +0200ljdarj1(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-05-01 18:16:10 +0200tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh
2025-05-01 18:16:17 +0200ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-05-01 18:16:18 +0200ljdarj1ljdarj
2025-05-01 18:18:47 +0200comerijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-05-01 18:20:41 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich