| 2025-03-21 00:00:11 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) |
| 2025-03-21 00:01:17 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) (Changing host) |
| 2025-03-21 00:01:17 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) abiss |
| 2025-03-21 00:02:02 +0100 | sabathan | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 00:03:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 00:03:29 +0100 | <monochrom> | hehe |
| 2025-03-21 00:03:56 +0100 | <monochrom> | "infer the type of id id id id id id id id id id id id" |
| 2025-03-21 00:04:02 +0100 | <monochrom> | @quote monochrom 17-ary |
| 2025-03-21 00:04:02 +0100 | <lambdabot> | monochrom says: I am 17-ary, going on 18-ary, I can take curry of you |
| 2025-03-21 00:04:43 +0100 | Buliarou1 | (~gypsydang@46.232.210.139) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-21 00:05:44 +0100 | sabathan | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-03-21 00:06:33 +0100 | yin | (~z@user/zero) zero |
| 2025-03-21 00:09:39 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 00:10:58 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) () |
| 2025-03-21 00:11:32 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) |
| 2025-03-21 00:12:11 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:810c:5794:3404:58c8) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 00:12:28 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) (Client Quit) |
| 2025-03-21 00:14:36 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 00:20:49 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) abiss |
| 2025-03-21 00:25:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 00:26:02 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 00:26:05 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 00:28:45 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-03-21 00:30:20 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-21 00:56:56 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-21 00:56:59 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 00:57:51 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) kh0d |
| 2025-03-21 00:59:35 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:d229:f63b:2d49:ccd3) |
| 2025-03-21 01:01:52 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-21 01:04:08 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) kh0d |
| 2025-03-21 01:11:21 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) (Quit: I'm off, Goodbye!) |
| 2025-03-21 01:11:49 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 01:12:46 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 01:14:52 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) |
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| 2025-03-21 01:22:05 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) (Changing host) |
| 2025-03-21 01:22:05 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) abiss |
| 2025-03-21 01:23:12 +0100 | LainExperiments | (~LainExper@user/LainExperiments) LainExperiments |
| 2025-03-21 01:24:03 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@user/abiss) (Quit: I'm off, Goodbye!) |
| 2025-03-21 01:24:42 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) |
| 2025-03-21 01:26:06 +0100 | abiss27 | (~abiss27@190.213.236.106) (Client Quit) |
| 2025-03-21 01:28:33 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 01:28:41 +0100 | LainExperiments4 | (~LainExper@user/LainExperiments) LainExperiments |
| 2025-03-21 01:28:59 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) |
| 2025-03-21 01:30:27 +0100 | LainExperiments4 | (~LainExper@user/LainExperiments) (Client Quit) |
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| 2025-03-21 01:35:34 +0100 | sprotte24 | (~sprotte24@p200300d16f3eed00f17f1149f1ad7273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-03-21 01:36:34 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 01:38:07 +0100 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:1700:69cf:9000:99ef:5e1b:cda4:8b3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 01:39:50 +0100 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
| 2025-03-21 01:40:55 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 01:41:53 +0100 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f9399301ab9560bdae8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-21 01:50:18 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) kh0d |
| 2025-03-21 01:51:46 +0100 | justsomeguy | (~justsomeg@user/justsomeguy) justsomeguy |
| 2025-03-21 01:53:35 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@95.90.214.149) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-21 01:54:03 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad695.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
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| 2025-03-21 01:56:40 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 01:57:33 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 01:57:44 +0100 | Googulator88 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-0ae4-b88c-ff83-9891-e272.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-03-21 01:58:02 +0100 | Googulator88 | (~Googulato@80-95-93-233.pool.digikabel.hu) |
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| 2025-03-21 02:12:10 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 02:12:28 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 02:13:37 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
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| 2025-03-21 02:22:44 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.) |
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| 2025-03-21 02:28:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 02:42:37 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 02:44:02 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 02:45:10 +0100 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
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| 2025-03-21 02:48:29 +0100 | tusko | (uid478376@user/tusko) () |
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| 2025-03-21 02:58:56 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.247.167) kh0d |
| 2025-03-21 02:59:50 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 03:04:32 +0100 | user363627 | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2025-03-21 03:08:20 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
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| 2025-03-21 03:38:07 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2025-03-21 03:44:55 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 03:48:00 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2025-03-21 03:49:03 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 03:49:26 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 03:49:27 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 03:59:23 +0100 | Guest9 | (~Guest9@2600:4040:52fa:9700:fd29:3b63:e979:8aca) |
| 2025-03-21 03:59:52 +0100 | Guest9 | (~Guest9@2600:4040:52fa:9700:fd29:3b63:e979:8aca) (Client Quit) |
| 2025-03-21 04:01:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 04:16:37 +0100 | rvalue | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2025-03-21 04:17:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 04:20:26 +0100 | sudden | (~cat@user/sudden) sudden |
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| 2025-03-21 04:22:39 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-21 04:33:04 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-03-21 04:36:57 +0100 | user363627 | weary-traveler |
| 2025-03-21 04:37:28 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 04:47:41 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@212.200.65.86) kh0d |
| 2025-03-21 04:48:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 04:53:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 04:55:23 +0100 | Xe | (~Xe@perl/impostor/xe) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 04:57:04 +0100 | Xe | (~Xe@perl/impostor/xe) Xe |
| 2025-03-21 04:58:49 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 05:03:02 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 05:04:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-03-21 05:08:09 +0100 | tremon | (~tremon@83.80.159.219) (Quit: getting boxed in) |
| 2025-03-21 05:08:15 +0100 | Fijxu | (~Fijxu@user/fijxu) (Quit: XD!!) |
| 2025-03-21 05:11:04 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 05:12:17 +0100 | Fijxu | (~Fijxu@user/fijxu) fijxu |
| 2025-03-21 05:15:17 +0100 | azh_ming | (~aaron@pool-108-48-188-212.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-03-21 05:17:28 +0100 | aazh_anon_ming | (~aazh_anon@pool-108-48-188-212.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-03-21 05:18:46 +0100 | azh_ming | (~aaron@pool-108-48-188-212.washdc.fios.verizon.net) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-03-21 05:19:12 +0100 | aazh_anon_ming | (~aazh_anon@pool-108-48-188-212.washdc.fios.verizon.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-21 05:19:22 +0100 | azh_ming | (~azh_ming@pool-108-48-188-212.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-03-21 05:20:25 +0100 | <azh_ming> | @pl \f g x y -> f (x ++ g x) (g y) |
| 2025-03-21 05:20:25 +0100 | <lambdabot> | join . ((flip . ((.) .)) .) . (. ap (++)) . (.) |
| 2025-03-21 05:21:44 +0100 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
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| 2025-03-21 05:27:21 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Peak Haskell |
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| 2025-03-21 07:43:10 +0100 | Inst | (~Inst@user/Inst) Inst |
| 2025-03-21 07:43:25 +0100 | <Inst> | curious, do you need to use IORef (or relatives) to cache top-level data? |
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| 2025-03-21 07:44:00 +0100 | <Inst> | Let's say, I'm using a web framework. I define a webpage under Lucid, Lucid2, or Blaze on the top-level. |
| 2025-03-21 07:45:14 +0100 | <Inst> | Every time the page is served, is the top-level definition re-evaluated? Or would it be more efficient to freeze it with IORef, then pass the IORef to the route handler as an argument, with the route handler being in MonadIO? |
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| 2025-03-21 08:02:02 +0100 | <Axman6> | top level values are generally only evaluated once, just like all named things in Haskell. There are caveats to that though, if it's a function I can't remember what happens |
| 2025-03-21 08:02:19 +0100 | <Axman6> | if it has a generic type, it might also not be cached |
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| 2025-03-21 08:04:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> thanks, couldn't find an answer on Google |
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| 2025-03-21 08:05:17 +0100 | <Axman6> | I think CAF, constant applicative form, is a useful thing to search for, but my memory's rusty |
| 2025-03-21 08:06:13 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> thanks, but the term has confusion with the typeclass |
| 2025-03-21 08:07:27 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> With Lucid I suspect it might be better to burn the HTML down to a bytestring first |
| 2025-03-21 08:07:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> since it's a builder function |
| 2025-03-21 08:07:51 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> that's also a monad transformer |
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| 2025-03-21 08:14:47 +0100 | <[exa]> | Liamzee: what's the type of your toplevel definition btw? that usually determines whether it's gonna get cached or not. |
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| 2025-03-21 09:48:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Html () :( |
| 2025-03-21 09:49:04 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> so burn to bytestring, it'll get cached, but as a builder, which is afaik just a function pointer |
| 2025-03-21 09:49:40 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
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| 2025-03-21 09:58:58 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: praxis.meansofproduction.biz (juan@acm.org)) |
| 2025-03-21 10:01:50 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
| 2025-03-21 10:06:01 +0100 | krei-se- | (~krei-se@p5dea1e73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) krei-se |
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| 2025-03-21 10:08:34 +0100 | <[exa]> | Liamzee: yap that's a builder, not cacheable |
| 2025-03-21 10:09:55 +0100 | <[exa]> | but you can cache the prebuild piece (let it evaluate to something with runHtml or so?) and then just shove it into the other html builders? |
| 2025-03-21 10:11:54 +0100 | <[exa]> | basically having the global value as this should do it: memoized = toLazyByteString ...someglue... runHtmlT $ mypage |
| 2025-03-21 10:12:30 +0100 | forell | (~forell@user/forell) forell |
| 2025-03-21 10:12:39 +0100 | <[exa]> | `someglue` should be solvable by following a typehole |
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| 2025-03-21 10:41:14 +0100 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) califx |
| 2025-03-21 10:57:47 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: I have few insights regarding higher-order derivatives in general, let alone with `ad`. :P |
| 2025-03-21 10:58:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (Assuming you mean 2nd, etc. derivatives, not "AD of code containing (higher-order) functions") |
| 2025-03-21 10:58:19 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: well, I got it working (albeit with undesirable boilerplate), but now it's just remarkably slow. |
| 2025-03-21 10:58:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: which mode did you use? |
| 2025-03-21 10:58:43 +0100 | <Athas> | Forward-over-forward. And it's slower than just hacking up your own dual numbers. |
| 2025-03-21 10:59:03 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | forward in `ad` is just a dual number, so that's rather surprising |
| 2025-03-21 10:59:28 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | did you try Numeric.AD.Mode.Tower(.Double)? It purports to be higher-order forward derivatives |
| 2025-03-21 10:59:46 +0100 | <Athas> | Well, it's not so easy - I need actual nested AD. |
| 2025-03-21 11:00:04 +0100 | <Athas> | I've realised I'm not good at fast Haskell. |
| 2025-03-21 11:00:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | few people are |
| 2025-03-21 11:00:34 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | can you share your code with the manual dual numbers? I'm curious to see what beats `ad` |
| 2025-03-21 11:01:21 +0100 | <__monty__> | (I'd appreciate another recap of what AD is. It's not just a way to numerically compute derivatives of numerical functions, is it? Feel free to leave the recap for when the discussion is more or less over.) |
| 2025-03-21 11:01:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | __monty__: it is |
| 2025-03-21 11:01:49 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the problem is that you can do so efficiently for a function of type R^n -> R, or for a function of type R -> R^n |
| 2025-03-21 11:02:09 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the typical dual-numbers formulation gives you the _latter_, whereas you usually (but not always) want the former |
| 2025-03-21 11:02:25 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 11:02:28 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the former you get with reverse AD, which is more complicated |
| 2025-03-21 11:02:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | does that help? |
| 2025-03-21 11:04:14 +0100 | <Athas> | This is my code: https://github.com/gradbench/gradbench/blob/4fdb8cc00daaae42b99431fde3da7be1b1bbbc13/tools/haskell… |
| 2025-03-21 11:04:14 +0100 | <Athas> | This is the ad hoc version: https://engineering.purdue.edu/~qobi/stalingrad-examples2009/particle-FF-ghc.html |
| 2025-03-21 11:04:26 +0100 | <Athas> | And the dual numbers: https://engineering.purdue.edu/~qobi/stalingrad-examples2009/common-ghc.html |
| 2025-03-21 11:04:42 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ooh, DatatypeContexts |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:13 +0100 | <Athas> | Yes, it is aaaalmost working Haskell. |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:18 +0100 | <Athas> | There are also n+k patterns. |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:24 +0100 | <Athas> | But it is easy to fix. |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that will likely be faster if you `data Bundle = Bundle {-# UNPACK #-} !Double {-# UNPACK #-} !Double` |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:41 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but let me read |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:42 +0100 | <Athas> | Sure, but it is already faster than 'ad'. |
| 2025-03-21 11:05:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | lol |
| 2025-03-21 11:06:10 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | 'ad' with Forward over Forward, or Forward over ForwardDouble? |
| 2025-03-21 11:06:15 +0100 | <Athas> | Forward over Forward. |
| 2025-03-21 11:06:38 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 11:07:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I like this blast-to-the-past Haskell style |
| 2025-03-21 11:08:36 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 11:10:48 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: I see a 'gradient' function that uses forward AD |
| 2025-03-21 11:10:51 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | is that intentional? |
| 2025-03-21 11:11:41 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: in which program? |
| 2025-03-21 11:12:24 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I was looking at the stalingrad example, but it seems you've implemented that with a proper reverse-mode gradient |
| 2025-03-21 11:12:46 +0100 | <Athas> | I have done all variants in my 'ad' code. |
| 2025-03-21 11:12:58 +0100 | <Athas> | The hand-written code only has forward-over-forward. |
| 2025-03-21 11:13:01 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | oh, right |
| 2025-03-21 11:13:08 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the closest match is 'ff'? |
| 2025-03-21 11:14:02 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 11:14:08 +0100 | <Athas> | Yes. |
| 2025-03-21 11:14:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the input to f is also only length 2, so doing forward mode twice has a chance of being competitive with reverse AD |
| 2025-03-21 11:15:04 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I have no clue juts from looking at the code; I would perhaps profile to see if there's anything surprising, but it's bound to produce noise here |
| 2025-03-21 11:15:13 +0100 | <Athas> | Yes, forward mode is better here, but it is still slow. |
| 2025-03-21 11:16:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the Forward in 'ad' is a sum type with special cases for zero (not sure why?) and constants |
| 2025-03-21 11:16:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | oh, the zero is relevant if you're doing nested AD I guess |
| 2025-03-21 11:17:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps that just introduces busywork here? I don't know |
| 2025-03-21 11:17:50 +0100 | mniip | (mniip@libera/staff/mniip) (Ping timeout: 604 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 11:18:11 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Athas: if you haven't yet, I recommend implementing 'ff' by Forward over ForwardDouble, I suspect it'll help quite a bit |
| 2025-03-21 11:20:41 +0100 | <Athas> | tomsmeding: I gave it a shot yesterday, but received some type errors I couldn't figure out. Maybe I will try again. |
| 2025-03-21 11:22:48 +0100 | <ski> | that `stalingrad' code looks a bit weird |
| 2025-03-21 11:22:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> [exa]: so it's the fault of the person who made the servant lib |
| 2025-03-21 11:22:57 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> oh well |
| 2025-03-21 11:23:44 +0100 | <Athas> | ski: it's written by Scheme programmers and specifically to resemble the style of a corresponding Scheme program. |
| 2025-03-21 11:24:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> erm, not the lib, but the adapter for the lib |
| 2025-03-21 11:24:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> will probably try to figure out how to get it to cache lucid later |
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| 2025-03-21 11:25:23 +0100 | <ski> | (lot of use of `let'-`in', rather than `where'. some redundant brackets (e.g. when defining some infix operators, or sometimes around function calls, or even conses). incorrect `Show' instance (ought to use `showsPrec', not `show') |
| 2025-03-21 11:25:39 +0100 | <ski> | mhm |
| 2025-03-21 11:25:56 +0100 | <ski> | any relation to the Stalin Scheme implementation, Athas ? |
| 2025-03-21 11:26:09 +0100 | <Athas> | ski: yeah, same people. |
| 2025-03-21 11:26:14 +0100 | <ski> | ah |
| 2025-03-21 11:26:51 +0100 | <Athas> | This is code from a benchmark suite to demonstrate how wonderful Stalingrad (an extension of Stalin) is. |
| 2025-03-21 11:27:20 +0100 | <ski> | it calls out to Scheme code, from Haskell ? |
| 2025-03-21 11:28:04 +0100 | <Athas> | No, it is a bunch of implementations of the same program in various languages, followed by a performance comparison. Stalingrad is by far the fastest. |
| 2025-03-21 11:28:29 +0100 | mniip | (mniip@libera/staff/mniip) mniip |
| 2025-03-21 11:28:32 +0100 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2025-03-21 11:28:54 +0100 | <ski> | ah |
| 2025-03-21 11:30:31 +0100 | <Athas> | See https://www.bcl.hamilton.ie/~qobi/ad2016-benchmarks/ |
| 2025-03-21 11:30:36 +0100 | <Athas> | Nice work, really! |
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| 2025-03-21 11:32:47 +0100 | <ski> | "Scheme->C" is a particular Scheme implementation ? |
| 2025-03-21 11:32:53 +0100 | <ski> | can't recall hearing about that one, before |
| 2025-03-21 11:34:06 +0100 | <ski> | yea, looks like a quite nice variety of different backend languages |
| 2025-03-21 11:34:20 +0100 | <ski> | /implementations |
| 2025-03-21 11:35:57 +0100 | <ski> | does any of those use source transformations ? |
| 2025-03-21 11:36:14 +0100 | <sprout> | needs egel |
| 2025-03-21 11:36:57 +0100 | <ski> | "three files that contain the code that is transformed zero, one, and two times" -- sounds like it, yea |
| 2025-03-21 11:37:46 +0100 | <ski> | "We could not benchmark against ADIC because we were unsuccessful in getting ADIC to transform its own generated code." -- for higher derivatives ? |
| 2025-03-21 11:39:01 +0100 | <ski> | "polyvariant submission" does sound like it suggests something like partial evaluation / program specialization, or related |
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| 2025-03-21 12:06:20 +0100 | <Athas> | ski: yes, Scheme->C is a Scheme compiler (actually there seems to be several of that name, very confusing). I don't think any of them implement AD with source transformation. |
| 2025-03-21 12:07:28 +0100 | <Athas> | ski: oh right, those Fortran things are source transformers. But they work terribly. |
| 2025-03-21 12:07:40 +0100 | <Athas> | The authors actually wrote an entire paper about how none of those tools work. |
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| 2025-03-21 12:27:48 +0100 | <merijn> | Athas: That sounds about right :p |
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| 2025-03-21 16:16:55 +0100 | <absence> | When using a constraint called Subset, which takes two type-level lists, I find myself having to use "Subset (x : list1) (x : list2) => ..." instead of just "Subset list1 list2". Is there a way to convince the type checker that the x is superfluous? |
| 2025-03-21 16:17:53 +0100 | wildsalander | (~wildsalan@81-175-155-97.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 2025-03-21 16:18:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | absence: I have a feeling that this is an X-Y problem, and that the answer is a common-ish trick that I don't know a name for: define an associated type family to your class where the right-hand sides are precisely the instance contexts, then add that type family as a _superclass_ constraint to the class |
| 2025-03-21 16:19:26 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that allows ghc to, given an `instance C A => C T` not only infer `C T` from `C A`, but furthermore conclude from evidence of `C T` that `C A` must also hold |
| 2025-03-21 16:19:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the latter is normally _not_ what GHC does |
| 2025-03-21 16:19:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | if you don't know what I'm talking about, or don't know how it applies to your case, you'll have to share the definition of that Subset thing |
| 2025-03-21 16:20:11 +0100 | <absence> | Can I do that if the constraint and the function that needs it are defined in a third-party library? |
| 2025-03-21 16:20:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | no |
| 2025-03-21 16:20:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you have to modify the class |
| 2025-03-21 16:20:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not 100% sure this is what you are running into, but it has a similar "vibe" :p |
| 2025-03-21 16:20:54 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-21 16:21:17 +0100 | <absence> | Here's the constraint by the way: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/effectful-core-2.5.1.0/docs/src/Effectful.Internal.Effect.html… |
| 2025-03-21 16:21:38 +0100 | taktoa[c] | (sid282096@id-282096.tinside.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 16:22:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ah, so `Subset list1 list2 => Subset (x : list1) (x : list2)` itself isn't even directly derivable |
| 2025-03-21 16:22:57 +0100 | taktoa[c] | (sid282096@id-282096.tinside.irccloud.com) taktoa[c] |
| 2025-03-21 16:23:29 +0100 | <absence> | Speaking of vibes, it feels vaguely similar to "(Monad (t m), Monad m, MonadTrans t) =>", so maybe something something QuantifiedConstraints...? |
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| 2025-03-21 16:24:29 +0100 | <int-e> | Looks like Subset (x : list1) (x : list2) should simplify to Subset list1 (x : list2), but there's nothing that ensures that list1 doesn't contain another x... |
| 2025-03-21 16:24:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | absence: Note that `Subset (x : list1) (x : list2)` is NOT equivalent to `Subset list1 list2`: the former allows elements of list1 to be equal to x, whereas the latter only allows that if x is in list2 |
| 2025-03-21 16:24:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that |
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| 2025-03-21 16:31:12 +0100 | <absence> | I'm not sure I see how adding an x to both of them breaks the subset relationship... |
| 2025-03-21 16:31:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | absence: sure, Subset a b implies Subset (x:a) (x:b). But the other way round does not hold |
| 2025-03-21 16:32:01 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | [1,1] is a subset of [1,2], but [1] is not a subset of [2] |
| 2025-03-21 16:32:49 +0100 | <absence> | Oh right, that makes sense. |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:18 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Now, even the implication `Subset a b => Subset (x:a) (x:b)` is not directly inferrable from the given instances, but you could prove it perhaps, given singletons for those lists |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:35 +0100 | <EvanR> | x = x ? |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:54 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | > x == x |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:55 +0100 | <lambdabot> | True |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | seems so |
| 2025-03-21 16:33:58 +0100 | <EvanR> | oh was reading : as "type off" |
| 2025-03-21 16:34:00 +0100 | <EvanR> | er |
| 2025-03-21 16:34:04 +0100 | <EvanR> | type O |
| 2025-03-21 16:34:24 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | we're in #haskell, not in #agda ;) |
| 2025-03-21 16:36:10 +0100 | <absence> | Proving things with singletons sounds like it will quickly escalate into "not worth it". :p |
| 2025-03-21 16:37:14 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | also not particularly efficient. |
| 2025-03-21 16:37:28 +0100 | <EvanR> | was just reading about "presets" which are setoids (a set that comes equipped with an equivalence relation) without the equivalence relation provided. And then it explained "a preset becomes a set if you give it a relation which.... is reflexive (x = x)" |
| 2025-03-21 16:38:11 +0100 | <EvanR> | xD |
| 2025-03-21 16:38:41 +0100 | <EvanR> | (and other properties but, they also involve "=") |
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| 2025-03-21 16:42:54 +0100 | <EvanR> | ok I got confused, = is the relation being defined |
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| 2025-03-21 17:00:29 +0100 | <roconnor> | EvanR: PERs: Partial Equivalence Relations |
| 2025-03-21 17:01:17 +0100 | <EvanR> | yes? |
| 2025-03-21 17:03:14 +0100 | <roconnor> | Oh I misunderstood what your presets were. |
| 2025-03-21 17:03:29 +0100 | <roconnor> | I though they were setoids without reflexivity. |
| 2025-03-21 17:04:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | I actually veered off, the presets are "sets" without equality among the elements |
| 2025-03-21 17:04:57 +0100 | <EvanR> | (yet) |
| 2025-03-21 17:05:51 +0100 | <EvanR> | so x doesn't equal x because equal doesn't exist |
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| 2025-03-21 17:23:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> How are those useful? I mean, order dependency is nice but do they make something more elegant? |
| 2025-03-21 17:23:25 +0100 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:1700:69cf:9000:314f:c6fc:a776:72e4) |
| 2025-03-21 17:24:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Quotients become central in proofs, that's nice |
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| 2025-03-21 17:29:23 +0100 | <EvanR> | something about foundations https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/preset |
| 2025-03-21 17:30:05 +0100 | <EvanR> | it was the 60s, so maybe they were tripping AF |
| 2025-03-21 17:31:49 +0100 | <EvanR> | also you could attempt to construe haskell's datatypes as presets because not all of them have a way to, at least decidably, know two values are equal |
| 2025-03-21 17:32:20 +0100 | <EvanR> | either because there's no Eq instance or because more serious issues |
| 2025-03-21 17:33:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> The concept of prefunction seems useful |
| 2025-03-21 17:33:58 +0100 | <EvanR> | yes we have functions between types that might not agree with one or more notions of equality we have in mind on the domains |
| 2025-03-21 17:34:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Being able to ignore equality means that you can inspect the internal structure of something without that being in "normal form" |
| 2025-03-21 17:35:25 +0100 | <EvanR> | or you could talk about, however you did it, any function you manage to define automatically preserves (a) notion of equality |
| 2025-03-21 17:35:41 +0100 | <EvanR> | which we might take for granted and otherwise never had language for |
| 2025-03-21 17:36:30 +0100 | <EvanR> | (automatically preserves equality, perhaps without using normal forms) |
| 2025-03-21 17:36:42 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> That's usually called congruence I think |
| 2025-03-21 17:37:58 +0100 | <EvanR> | sounds like a luxury to be able to pick a "real" equality relation so you can call other mappings congruence |
| 2025-03-21 17:38:10 +0100 | <EvanR> | or homomorphism |
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| 2025-03-21 18:27:28 +0100 | <EvanR> | so we can go from, imperative language with "functions" doesn't have real functions because they do side effects, or depend on invisible state, etc. to functional language with "functions" futhermore doesn't have functions because it doesn't preserve the equality xD |
| 2025-03-21 18:27:34 +0100 | <EvanR> | no true function |
| 2025-03-21 18:32:56 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: praxis.meansofproduction.biz (juan@acm.org)) |
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| 2025-03-21 18:41:16 +0100 | <__monty__> | I'm not sure that's entirely rigorous. Nowhere do the definitions require that the notion of equality is part of the language of the functions, right? |
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| 2025-03-21 18:43:26 +0100 | <c_wraith> | No, though if you're strictly in math... If the objects in the pairs that make up a formal function can be compared for equality, then functions are equal if they contain the same set of pairs. |
| 2025-03-21 18:43:41 +0100 | <c_wraith> | It gets much harder when you want equality to be computable |
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| 2025-03-21 18:44:03 +0100 | <EvanR> | if x = y then f(x) = f(y) can be |
| 2025-03-21 18:44:22 +0100 | <EvanR> | derived from the usual definition of functions in set theory |
| 2025-03-21 18:45:53 +0100 | <EvanR> | and is otherwise a pretty common rule to rely on |
| 2025-03-21 18:45:54 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-000-195-182.176.0.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2025-03-21 18:46:09 +0100 | <EvanR> | even though it's wrong! |
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| 2025-03-21 18:47:57 +0100 | <EvanR> | e.g. in a possible implementation of computable reals, you could have rational real which terminates and is easy to compute with, and another real which converges to the same rational, and causes the f to explode when applied to it |
| 2025-03-21 18:48:38 +0100 | <EvanR> | (though now you might argue the f is not really a function after all, since it's observing a difference, which is the same point as above) |
| 2025-03-21 18:52:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> It's only wrong from an undecidability/non-termination standpoint |
| 2025-03-21 18:52:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Even then, it holds for PERs IIRC |
| 2025-03-21 18:53:04 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad695.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 18:53:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Congruence is derivable in various type theories as well, even without identity types |
| 2025-03-21 18:53:53 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad695.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2025-03-21 18:55:24 +0100 | <EvanR> | another example is treating zero and minus zero differently in floats. Another example is implementing rationals with two numbers, and mapping 1/2 and 2/4 to false and true respectively (assuming false and true are not equal) |
| 2025-03-21 18:56:10 +0100 | <EvanR> | though in these cases indeed x = x, which is what got me started on this |
| 2025-03-21 18:56:23 +0100 | <sim590> | foo |
| 2025-03-21 18:56:29 +0100 | <EvanR> | except for NaN |
| 2025-03-21 18:56:54 +0100 | xeno11 | (~xeno11@c-69-140-170-168.hsd1.de.comcast.net) |
| 2025-03-21 18:57:07 +0100 | <sim590> | test |
| 2025-03-21 18:58:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | failed |
| 2025-03-21 18:58:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> IEEE-754 floats are so weird |
| 2025-03-21 18:58:43 +0100 | <sim590> | :) |
| 2025-03-21 18:59:18 +0100 | Unicorn_Princess | (~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) Unicorn_Princess |
| 2025-03-21 19:00:28 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2025-03-21 19:00:33 +0100 | <xeno11> | To anyone that can help/edit wiki... haskell wikibook main page was edited. It seems "Haskell is pure" was changed to "JEWS ARE THE BEST |
| 2025-03-21 19:00:34 +0100 | <xeno11> | LIRON WAS THE CREATOR OF COMPUTERS" and other changes might have been made. |
| 2025-03-21 19:01:20 +0100 | <xeno11> | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell |
| 2025-03-21 19:01:20 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip5f5ad695.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-21 19:01:21 +0100 | justsomeguy | (~justsomeg@user/justsomeguy) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-21 19:02:06 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@95.90.214.149) |
| 2025-03-21 19:03:14 +0100 | <EvanR> | seems like the kind of thing the wiki infrastructure would flag automatically |
| 2025-03-21 19:08:46 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2a02:a210:cba:8500:40b3:acb4:4579:83af) |
| 2025-03-21 19:12:29 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-03-21 19:14:00 +0100 | kh0d | (~kh0d@109.111.226.14) (Remote host closed the connection) |