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2025-02-06 00:01:50 +0100 <dminuoso> Or you just carry on the torch.
2025-02-06 00:02:32 +0100 <dminuoso> misterfish: Seems it never has been. Are you sure you arent suddenly using something that requires this shared object now?
2025-02-06 00:02:58 +0100 <dminuoso> Or maybe something in PA changed that induced vesktop to load that shared object.
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2025-02-06 00:05:16 +0100 <dminuoso> misterfish: Hah, its an electron app.
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2025-02-06 03:32:13 +0100 <r-sta> hi i have a problem deconstructing a binary tree
2025-02-06 03:32:28 +0100 <r-sta> normally i can deconstruct a tree because it has any number of branches
2025-02-06 03:32:34 +0100 <r-sta> now i cant "traverse"
2025-02-06 03:32:41 +0100 <r-sta> and have to do "one value at a time"
2025-02-06 03:32:47 +0100 <r-sta> idk how to approach this
2025-02-06 03:32:53 +0100 <r-sta> i have never come accross the formalism
2025-02-06 03:32:54 +0100 <r-sta> any help?
2025-02-06 03:33:23 +0100 <r-sta> (its like being forced to do the suspended traversal by the non-deconstructability)
2025-02-06 03:33:50 +0100 <r-sta> (i cant go deconstructing branches and still be left with a *binary* tree)
2025-02-06 03:34:14 +0100j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-02-06 03:34:25 +0100 <r-sta> i think iiuc the traversability of the branches is not from deconstruct/reconstruct
2025-02-06 03:34:38 +0100 <r-sta> and this is somehow tainting the whole structure
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2025-02-06 03:39:55 +0100Inst__(~Inst__@2601:6c1:786:fb0:b0d9:e54c:aa23:7982)
2025-02-06 03:40:30 +0100 <Inst__> Sclv:
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2025-02-06 03:40:56 +0100 <sclv> ?
2025-02-06 03:41:05 +0100 <Inst__> i recently found this guy, you might find him interesting
2025-02-06 03:41:07 +0100 <Inst__> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lawvere
2025-02-06 03:41:17 +0100 <sclv> i’m aware
2025-02-06 03:41:44 +0100 <sclv> and yes, he is
2025-02-06 03:41:53 +0100 <r-sta> what, a topos?
2025-02-06 03:42:06 +0100 <Inst__> Oh, have a good one, found him when I was trying to do dialectics, and got censored off RedNote for asking about basing dialectics in mathematical logic
2025-02-06 03:42:30 +0100 <r-sta> one simply doesnt ought...
2025-02-06 03:42:31 +0100 <sclv> andrei rodin
2025-02-06 03:42:52 +0100 <sclv> has a good book about lawvere in that regars
2025-02-06 03:43:03 +0100 <r-sta> ...
2025-02-06 03:43:13 +0100 <Inst__> Ah, survivors of the Soviet attempt to find a mathematical grounding for Dialectical Materialism?
2025-02-06 03:43:51 +0100 <r-sta> so i think my problem is that if you deconstruct a n-d binary grid, that it creates a view to the reconstructed version, where there is no intermediate type to hold the deconstructed thing. its not an n-d euclidean binary grid, when one of the cells is being viewed
2025-02-06 03:44:23 +0100 <r-sta> like a square with a square corner missing is not a square
2025-02-06 03:44:47 +0100 <Inst__> Thanks for the rec, best of luck.
2025-02-06 03:44:49 +0100 <r-sta> and this is completely messing up all my types. which work on eg, trees with lists as branches
2025-02-06 03:45:07 +0100 <r-sta> ie, where the branches are traversable by virtue of their deconstructability
2025-02-06 03:45:29 +0100 <r-sta> im totally stuck doing everything just on one element, it doesnt follw any of the usual tail recursive patterns
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2025-02-06 03:45:37 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-06 03:46:39 +0100 <r-sta> something like "things that can be piecewise deconstructed, by repeated deconstruction. vs things that only support one view"
2025-02-06 03:47:05 +0100alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-06 03:47:17 +0100 <r-sta> "how do you expect me to deconstruct the square with the corner missing!! oh no!!"
2025-02-06 03:47:18 +0100 <r-sta> and you have to not try to do that
2025-02-06 03:47:32 +0100 <r-sta> which comes from just wanting to recurse as usual
2025-02-06 03:47:51 +0100 <r-sta> its like "no, you view only one element"
2025-02-06 03:47:52 +0100 <r-sta> and i dont have a type abstraction which supports this
2025-02-06 03:48:33 +0100 <r-sta> assuming i now have to come up with this... any suggestions?
2025-02-06 03:49:59 +0100anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad
2025-02-06 03:50:02 +0100 <r-sta> the best i can come up with is that, the view is not returning the type for the thing deconstructed, as the thing not-deconstructed. this means you cant go on to continually apply the deconstruction. ie, through a non, type equality, that the geti,seti paradigm is abstracted over, to settings where repeated deconstruction might not occur
2025-02-06 03:50:28 +0100 <r-sta> previously had, geti+seti = traversable, but now have only this in a special case where the deconstructed thing is the same type as the thing you deconstructed.
2025-02-06 03:51:03 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-02-06 03:51:16 +0100 <r-sta> "i can deconstruct your type into a value, some structure data, and another type with the rest of the data"
2025-02-06 03:51:23 +0100Inst__(~Inst__@2601:6c1:786:fb0:b0d9:e54c:aa23:7982)
2025-02-06 03:51:34 +0100 <r-sta> "if the nother type is the same as the first, this supports recursion and leads to traversability"
2025-02-06 03:51:40 +0100 <r-sta> "if not, you just get a cursor"
2025-02-06 03:51:42 +0100alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-02-06 03:51:49 +0100 <r-sta> makes sense?
2025-02-06 03:51:52 +0100 <r-sta> anyone!?
2025-02-06 03:51:56 +0100 <Inst__> "Axiomatic Method and Category Theory", Andrei Rodin, awesome
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2025-02-06 03:52:47 +0100 <r-sta> argh! people talk here in indirects. despite spacetime developments. very rude.
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2025-02-06 04:24:09 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> r-sta didn't give enough context, but I guess a zipper kinda fixes the issues. I don't really know what they were referring to
2025-02-06 04:24:14 +0100anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad
2025-02-06 04:25:39 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Anyway, any books on category theory using type-theoretic syntax? I got through a ton of introductions and books and still couldn't wrap my head around anything more complex than a limit/colimit
2025-02-06 04:29:10 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> I assume the syntax is the issue here, because the standard one has somewhat odd conventions and syntax sugar. I think that having a typechecker to play with the concepts would make a difference too (I've been looking into Cubical stuff and cooltt is probably what I'm looking for in that regard)
2025-02-06 04:30:42 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-06 04:32:58 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> The HoTT book (chapter 9) has something really similar to this "type-theoretic category theory book" idea I'm looking for, any other recommendations?
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2025-02-06 06:37:53 +0100 <monochrom> Next time it will be: argh! people don't answer me at all, very rude.
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2025-02-06 09:42:15 +0100 <ncf> Bowuigi: if you're looking for formal category theory, the 1lab has a bunch
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2025-02-06 09:49:52 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Yeah but I usually don't understand the stuff there, maybe it is because I browse it like a wiki lol
2025-02-06 09:52:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Oh I read "nlab", not 1lab. Thanks, it seems to be what I'm looking for
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