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| 2026-06-23 06:21:34 +0000 | <gentauro> | lately, I've been given these suggestions in my IDE (emacs) -> `✲ Name: Infinite: ghc-internal/length`. Is there a way to use a `[]` with the built-in logic and not getting those? |
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| 2026-06-23 06:35:18 +0000 | jle` | (~jle`@23.240.67.73) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1) |
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| 2026-06-23 06:38:22 +0000 | jle` | (~jle`@2603:8001:3b00:11:181d:91a8:37ba:ce0c) jle` |
| 2026-06-23 06:43:22 +0000 | karenw_ | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
| 2026-06-23 06:47:01 +0000 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) NinjaTrappeur |
| 2026-06-23 06:48:09 +0000 | <pavonia> | What is that message even saying? |
| 2026-06-23 06:52:36 +0000 | <gentauro> | pavonia: I'm just using `length` on a standard list. |
| 2026-06-23 06:52:39 +0000 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-06-23 06:53:23 +0000 | <gentauro> | I'm guessing that (which is correct) that calling `length` on an infinete list could be problematic. But, we don't have dependent types in Haskell right? (Idris comes to mind) |
| 2026-06-23 06:55:22 +0000 | <gentauro> | I really appreciate the messages when using `head` as that could make an application crash on empty list (correct way would be doing pattern-matching). But on `length`? What's the alternative to that? |
| 2026-06-23 06:56:36 +0000 | <pavonia> | No idea, tbh. You can't really check whether a list is infinite |
| 2026-06-23 06:58:57 +0000 | dextaa | (~DV@user/dextaa) (Ping timeout: 271 seconds) |
| 2026-06-23 07:00:59 +0000 | <probie> | I think both are equally valid warnings. `head` is a partial function and `length` is not a productive function |
| 2026-06-23 07:01:56 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-06-23 07:03:17 +0000 | <pavonia> | How would you check the length of a list in a productive way then? |
| 2026-06-23 07:03:54 +0000 | <probie> | `data N = Z | S N`, `length = foldr (const S) Z` |
| 2026-06-23 07:04:04 +0000 | <gentauro> | hmmm, perhaps that now that I have push access to Hackage. Maybe I should invest time to add my `Data.Array.Log{32|64|128|256}` -> https://blog.stermon.org/articles/2020/05/22/haskell-data-array-log256-safe-idiomatic-and-bottom.h… |
| 2026-06-23 07:06:34 +0000 | <gentauro> | `length (A l _) = l` 👍 |
| 2026-06-23 07:06:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-06-23 07:08:57 +0000 | <pavonia> | probie: But isn't that just deferring the problem to other functions? If you want to do comparisons with the length of the list you could run into the same issue |
| 2026-06-23 07:09:20 +0000 | <probie> | You can compare an `Int` against the length of a list |
| 2026-06-23 07:09:59 +0000 | <probie> | What you can't do is compare the length of two lists or treat the length as an Int |
| 2026-06-23 07:10:03 +0000 | chele | (~chele@user/chele) chele |
| 2026-06-23 07:10:13 +0000 | <probie> | (if you still want your code to be total) |
| 2026-06-23 07:11:36 +0000 | <pavonia> | Right. To me this seems like a too restrictive check |
| 2026-06-23 07:14:06 +0000 | <probie> | > let n `compareWithLength` xs = foldr (\x k acc -> if acc <= 0 then LT else k $! (acc - 1)) (\acc -> if acc == 0 then EQ else GT) xs n in (42 `compareWithLength` [1..5], 42 `compareWithLength` [1..42], 42 `compareWithLength` [1..]) |
| 2026-06-23 07:14:07 +0000 | <lambdabot> | (GT,EQ,LT) |
| 2026-06-23 07:15:50 +0000 | <probie> | If you want to make `length` total, just stick `take n` (for some large n) in front of the list you're calling `length` on |
| 2026-06-23 07:16:34 +0000 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2026-06-23 07:19:30 +0000 | <probie> | To clarify, I think it's a silly rule to raise a warning about, but not that much more silly than the one for `head` |
| 2026-06-23 07:20:11 +0000 | <gentauro> | probie: tbh, `head` shouldn't even exists in the first place … |
| 2026-06-23 07:20:31 +0000 | <gentauro> | pattern-matching SHOULD be the way |
| 2026-06-23 07:21:41 +0000 | <probie> | We're allowed to diverge right, so you're happy with `head xs = case xs of { x:_ -> x; [] -> let x = x in x }` since it's as "total" as `length` |
| 2026-06-23 07:23:32 +0000 | fp1 | (~Thunderbi@130.233.70.229) fp |
| 2026-06-23 07:23:34 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f85c:5d3d:452:a65a) |
| 2026-06-23 07:23:43 +0000 | <mauke> | :t length . take maxBound |
| 2026-06-23 07:23:44 +0000 | <lambdabot> | [a] -> Int |
| 2026-06-23 07:24:50 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@2a02:a420:22df:d034:8458:927c:ac6e:3896) merijn |
| 2026-06-23 07:25:54 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect |
| 2026-06-23 07:34:57 +0000 | <gentauro> | mauke: `length . take maxBound` -> `✲ Name: Infinite: ghc-internal/length` |
| 2026-06-23 07:37:18 +0000 | <mauke> | > (length . take maxBound) [0 ..] |
| 2026-06-23 07:37:25 +0000 | <lambdabot> | *Exception: <<timeout>> |
| 2026-06-23 07:37:41 +0000 | <humasect> | ah i miss haskell . |
| 2026-06-23 07:39:51 +0000 | <gentauro> | > (length . take maxBound) [0 :: Int16 ..] |
| 2026-06-23 07:39:52 +0000 | <lambdabot> | 32768 |
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| 2026-06-23 08:17:46 +0000 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e585726eb65abab086aa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2026-06-23 08:23:37 +0000 | olivial | (~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-06-23 08:25:52 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f85c:5d3d:452:a65a) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-06-23 08:27:42 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:3100:6065:ab00:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen |
| 2026-06-23 08:28:44 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2026-06-23 08:30:36 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
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| 2026-06-23 08:38:59 +0000 | bggd__ | (~bgg@2a01:e0a:fd5:f510:8e31:1731:15f3:2843) |
| 2026-06-23 08:40:35 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
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| 2026-06-23 08:45:36 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
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| 2026-06-23 08:52:06 +0000 | ThePenguin | (~ThePengui@83-233-229-100.cust.bredband2.com) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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| 2026-06-23 09:06:04 +0000 | schuelermine | (~Thunderbi@user/schuelermine) schuelermine |
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| 2026-06-23 09:20:14 +0000 | foul_owl | (~kerry@94.156.149.95) foul_owl |
| 2026-06-23 09:21:52 +0000 | prdak1 | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
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| 2026-06-23 09:32:00 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-209-218-237.092.209.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline |
| 2026-06-23 09:40:09 +0000 | lisbeths | (uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com) lisbeths |
| 2026-06-23 09:40:56 +0000 | karenw_ | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
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| 2026-06-23 10:07:58 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) (Quit: xff0x) |
| 2026-06-23 10:18:40 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
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| 2026-06-23 10:24:11 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Quit: Leaving...) |
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| 2026-06-23 10:50:00 +0000 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-06-23 10:51:13 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
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| 2026-06-23 11:02:04 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f85c:5d3d:452:a65a) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-06-23 11:02:26 +0000 | karenw_ | karenw |
| 2026-06-23 11:03:26 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@140.228.70.141) |
| 2026-06-23 11:03:26 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@140.228.70.141) (Changing host) |
| 2026-06-23 11:03:26 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz |
| 2026-06-23 11:08:14 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
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| 2026-06-23 11:24:34 +0000 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@70.51.99.119) rekahsoft |
| 2026-06-23 11:25:01 +0000 | schuelermine | (~Thunderbi@user/schuelermine) (Quit: schuelermine) |