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2025-10-17 01:35:11 +0000 <jackdk> dolio: Apparently that work ran into roadblocks and is not planned any more: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/15028. This libraries@ post lists the main problems: https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2020-April/030357.html . Most seem fixable, but the syntactic noise seems really annoying and the strictness change more fundamentally difficult.
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2025-10-17 02:39:27 +0000 <dcpagan> Is there a way to either undo an import or hide a variable from an existing import?
2025-10-17 02:39:37 +0000 <dcpagan> I keep getting ambiguous occurrence errors.
2025-10-17 02:39:47 +0000 <dcpagan> I mean in the interactive shell.
2025-10-17 02:40:07 +0000tabaqui(~tabaqui@167.71.80.236) tabaqui
2025-10-17 02:40:47 +0000 <geekosaur> probably have to unimport and re-import with `hiding`
2025-10-17 02:41:06 +0000 <geekosaur> (unimporting is done with the old `:m` command: `:m -Module.Name`
2025-10-17 02:41:12 +0000 <geekosaur> )
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2025-10-17 02:44:11 +0000 <ski> import Prelude hiding (length)
2025-10-17 02:44:43 +0000 <fgidim> something like import Prelude hiding tail or import Prelude hiding( head, tail )
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2025-10-17 07:50:09 +0000 <[exa]> just curious, did anyone do some rigorous analysis of what's packed in the ghc-produced binaries (i.e., what's making them big?)
2025-10-17 07:50:45 +0000 <[exa]> not that they'd be super big, esp. not w.r.t. to the other pop compilers, but still curious
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2025-10-17 07:52:52 +0000 <tomsmeding> I have no idea, but libHSbase.so is 12 MB
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2025-10-17 09:50:02 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: ah well that might be a part of it :)
2025-10-17 09:50:04 +0000 <[exa]> ok
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2025-10-17 09:51:38 +0000 <[exa]> just wondering, is there any semantic difference between doing a function with normal guards and going for the `case () { _ | theGuard -> ...}` shortcut? I've fixed a bug that shouldn't have been fixed by rewriting that, which is weird.
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2025-10-17 15:43:12 +0000 <ski> [exa] : failure in `case' can't fall back to alternate defining clauses, if that's what you're thinking of. so, if there's only one defining equation, you should be fine
2025-10-17 15:43:55 +0000 <ski> (of course, can't fall back to another `case', either)
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2025-10-17 15:59:19 +0000 <yabobay> what was the 'opposite' of `pure` where you get, for example, Nothing when casting to Maybe
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2025-10-17 16:07:29 +0000 <ski> huh ?
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2025-10-17 16:08:12 +0000 <ski> maybe you should show some example(s) ?
2025-10-17 16:14:27 +0000 <yabobay> like if there was a function called foo and i could go `foo :: Maybe a` and i'd get Nothing
2025-10-17 16:15:19 +0000 <int-e> :t empty
2025-10-17 16:15:20 +0000 <lambdabot> Alternative f => f a
2025-10-17 16:15:28 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-17 16:15:29 +0000 <int-e> :t mempty
2025-10-17 16:15:30 +0000 <lambdabot> Monoid a => a
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2025-10-17 16:16:04 +0000 <int-e> (`empty` is closer to Applicative)
2025-10-17 16:16:23 +0000gustrb(~gustrb@191.243.134.87)
2025-10-17 16:18:06 +0000 <yabobay> my ghc doesn't have empty. is it in a module or something?
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2025-10-17 16:19:58 +0000 <Leary> @hoogle empty
2025-10-17 16:19:58 +0000 <lambdabot> Control.Applicative empty :: Alternative f => f a
2025-10-17 16:19:58 +0000 <lambdabot> GHC.Base empty :: Alternative f => f a
2025-10-17 16:19:58 +0000 <lambdabot> Data.ByteString empty :: ByteString
2025-10-17 16:20:16 +0000 <yabobay> ok sorry i hoogled it myself
2025-10-17 16:20:17 +0000 <yabobay> thanks!
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2025-10-17 16:23:25 +0000 <ski> @index empty
2025-10-17 16:23:25 +0000 <lambdabot> Control.Applicative, Data.Binary.Builder, Data.ByteString.Lazy, Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8, Data.ByteString, Data.ByteString.Char8, Data.ByteString.Short, Data.IntMap.Strict, Data.IntMap.Lazy, Data.
2025-10-17 16:23:25 +0000 <lambdabot> IntMap, Data.IntSet, Data.Map.Lazy, Data.Map.Strict, Data.Map, Data.Set, Data.Sequence, Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ, Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJClass, Text.PrettyPrint, Language.Haskell.TH.PprLib
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2025-10-17 18:03:17 +0000 <dcpagan> Is a function with only two pattern guards, the second guard consisting only of "otherwise" just as efficient as implementing the function as an if statement?
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2025-10-17 18:10:36 +0000 <mauke> that sounds like a guard, not a pattern guard
2025-10-17 18:10:46 +0000 <mauke> but yes, I don't think there's any performance difference
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2025-10-17 18:26:29 +0000 <monochrom> Unless it is positively proven that I really need fast code, I write code to express what I think, not to micromanage what the machine code looks like.
2025-10-17 18:28:08 +0000 <EvanR> please turn in your control freak license and weapon
2025-10-17 18:28:17 +0000driib318(~driib@vmi931078.contaboserver.net) driib
2025-10-17 18:28:20 +0000 <EvanR> your don't deserve to wear that uniform
2025-10-17 18:29:05 +0000 <monochrom> I never got that license and uniform in the first place because I never learned VHDL. >:)
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2025-10-17 18:42:18 +0000 <fgidim> i think for pattern guards, those are desugared to a case expression. though i don't know if there is a speed difference between that and if statements
2025-10-17 18:44:08 +0000 <EvanR> the airspeed velocity of an if statement
2025-10-17 18:44:48 +0000 <EvanR> "if statement" isn't actually a thing, it's compiled into a case expression
2025-10-17 18:45:44 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-17 18:46:40 +0000 <mauke> if x then y else z = case x of { True -> y; _ -> z }
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2025-10-17 19:20:32 +0000 <fgidim> there is more on page 20 https://www.haskell.org/definition/haskell2010.pdf
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2025-10-17 19:30:13 +0000 <EvanR> case x of { False -> z; _ -> y } would also work
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2025-10-17 19:42:07 +0000Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-187-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2025-10-17 19:45:35 +0000 <ggVGc> case isn't a real thing because it's compiled to...
2025-10-17 19:45:42 +0000 <ggVGc> goto?
2025-10-17 19:46:10 +0000 <monochrom> It's syntax sugar all the way down.
2025-10-17 19:47:07 +0000 <monochrom> goto isn't a real thing because it's code for "mov foo, programCounter"
2025-10-17 19:47:09 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2025-10-17 19:47:40 +0000 <ggVGc> the program counter isn't a real thing because your CPU microcode doesn't execute things the way you imagine anyway.
2025-10-17 19:48:30 +0000 <monochrom> CPU isn't a real thing because it's either a social construct or a quantum wave function.
2025-10-17 19:49:39 +0000tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
2025-10-17 19:49:40 +0000 <ggVGc> monochrom: fwiw I did learn VHDL (even took a proper university course in it), and I also don't want to micromanage the machine.
2025-10-17 19:50:21 +0000 <monochrom> You have still earned the license to. :)
2025-10-17 19:50:32 +0000 <ggVGc> but, I mean, file IO is always the issue anyway, so it's nice that in Haskell we don't ever interact with the real world and can ignore that.
2025-10-17 19:50:54 +0000 <monochrom> Hot take: Jobs that require licenses are precisely jobs that no one wants apart from the money. >:)
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2025-10-17 19:51:58 +0000 <ggVGc> sounds accurate
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2025-10-17 20:02:22 +0000 <haskellbridge> <slack1256> Bad take. Lots of people go into medicine thinking of grey's anatomy or doctor house.
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2025-10-17 20:02:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <slack1256> Has*
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2025-10-17 20:27:28 +0000 <[exa]> ski: if I got it right, the "case" match is more committed there than the guard?
2025-10-17 20:29:29 +0000 <[exa]> no wait that makes no sense :D
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2025-10-17 21:59:03 +0000 <ski> [exa] : not if the guard is in that `case'. but there could be another level of pattern-matching and guards
2025-10-17 21:59:21 +0000 <ski> (hard to say more, without seeing the before & after code)
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