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2025-09-28 00:12:55 +0200 <EvanR> newsham, the standardish library "linear" has a function (*^) with type (Functor f, Num a) => a -> f a -> f a
2025-09-28 00:13:13 +0200 <EvanR> so basically, it doesn't need a new abstraction you just have to define it
2025-09-28 00:13:32 +0200 <EvanR> assuming it's already a functor
2025-09-28 00:15:14 +0200 <EvanR> haskell really needs to push "functor tutorials" more
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2025-09-28 00:28:36 +0200 <newsham> i dont know that i need it, but i was thinking i wanted Int to be scalable too, which wouldnt work with that definition. Integer isnt a container of floats.
2025-09-28 00:28:59 +0200 <newsham> but maybe that was just silliness on my part.  the types i care about right now are Float and RGBA as a triple of floats.
2025-09-28 00:31:33 +0200 <EvanR> it's possible to make anything into the dumbest possible Functor xD
2025-09-28 00:31:52 +0200 <EvanR> > fmap (7*) (Identity 3)
2025-09-28 00:31:53 +0200 <lambdabot> Identity 21
2025-09-28 00:33:18 +0200 <EvanR> but just defining scaleRGBA :: Float -> RGBA -> RGBA ain't stupid either
2025-09-28 00:33:47 +0200 <newsham> oh but for fun color from a 3rd party package is concretely only for floats. so not so much functor.
2025-09-28 00:34:34 +0200 <newsham> evanr: thats besides the point.  I need to be able to scale things by floats in [0..1]. i dont need to scale ints by ints.
2025-09-28 00:34:56 +0200 <int-e> > fmap (7*) (Data.Functor.Const.Const ())
2025-09-28 00:34:57 +0200 <lambdabot> error:
2025-09-28 00:34:57 +0200 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor ‘Data.Functor.Const.Const’
2025-09-28 00:34:57 +0200 <lambdabot> No module named ‘Data.Functor.Const’ is imported.
2025-09-28 00:35:07 +0200 <int-e> % fmap (7*) (Data.Functor.Const.Const ())
2025-09-28 00:35:07 +0200 <yahb2> Const ()
2025-09-28 00:35:31 +0200 <newsham> complex type gymnastics can let me use a large 3rd party vector package to replace my 3 instance declarations? :)
2025-09-28 00:35:57 +0200 <EvanR> or delete your 3 instances and just use * or a dedicate scale function
2025-09-28 00:38:12 +0200 <newsham> * doesnt do color * float.  my 3 instances define 3 dedicated scale functions.
2025-09-28 00:39:40 +0200 <newsham> oh, nice.  `*` does do float x color.
2025-09-28 00:40:31 +0200 <newsham> oh, i'm mistaken. it can just convert numeric constants to colors.
2025-09-28 00:40:39 +0200 <newsham> and do color x color
2025-09-28 00:40:56 +0200 <EvanR> scaling by a "real" is traditionally the purview of "vector space"
2025-09-28 00:40:56 +0200 <newsham> anyway.. i've got my instance i'm happy with.. going to goof off with other stuff.  thanks for the tips.
2025-09-28 00:42:30 +0200 <EvanR> but specifically only dealing in scale factors between 0 and 1 sounds more like probability
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2025-09-28 01:00:11 +0200 <fgarcia> the function name had me confused, i think "darken" might work
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2025-09-28 01:03:36 +0200 <EvanR> I've wondered this a couple times, if there was any point in abstracting sliders or knobs or UI elements which could almost be logically between 0 and 1 but it never seemed worth it
2025-09-28 01:03:59 +0200 <EvanR> s/almost/only/
2025-09-28 01:06:56 +0200 <geekosaur> abstracting UI elements is already pretty difficult, granting that unless you're talking FRP the real complication is interfacing with an OOP graphics library
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2025-09-28 01:10:09 +0200 <EvanR> I mean their values
2025-09-28 01:10:21 +0200 <EvanR> but yeah, why is UI so hard
2025-09-28 01:10:31 +0200 <EvanR> after all these decades
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2025-09-28 02:35:37 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> good question EvanR
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2025-09-28 04:14:23 +0200 <slondr> What's the best way to maintain/mutate state across calls of a function where I can't modify the function signature?
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2025-09-28 04:14:52 +0200 <slondr> as in, I'm passing a callback function to a library, but I want my callback function to accumulate some context each time it's called
2025-09-28 04:16:00 +0200 <slondr> My first thought was to use forkIO to spawn a separate thread for maintaining state in a simple call/response recursive function, then build my callback function as a closure over a channel to this thread. But that seems like it might be overkill
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2025-09-28 04:27:41 +0200 <Leary> slondr: Close over a simple `IORef` instead? E.g. pass in a partially applied `mkCallBack :: IORef YourState -> CallBackType`.
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2025-09-28 04:32:22 +0200 <slondr> Hmm, can I reference IORefs in a non-IO function?
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2025-09-28 04:37:18 +0200 <Leary> In a pure function? No, but in that case you can't do anything with channels either.
2025-09-28 04:37:27 +0200 <Leary> If you're in a pure context, the function must do the same thing every time it's called; it can have no internal state.
2025-09-28 04:37:43 +0200 <slondr> ah, ok
2025-09-28 04:37:56 +0200talismanick(~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::c8dc) talismanick
2025-09-28 04:39:23 +0200 <slondr> is there maybe a way to modify external state without it affecting the return value of the function? I suppose I could rebuild the callback function into something slightly different every time if so
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2025-09-28 04:45:08 +0200 <Leary> Not without `unsafePerformIO`. You probably need to change your approach.
2025-09-28 04:45:36 +0200 <dcpagan> How do I safely decrement a type-level natural number?
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2025-09-28 04:45:53 +0200 <slondr> Hmm, I agree that this approach seems rather fundamentally flawed, but I feel at the whim of the library here sadly
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2025-09-28 05:05:48 +0200 <dcpagan> I got a reduction stack overflow from type-level shenanigans. Wat do?
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2025-09-28 05:10:54 +0200 <slondr> oh! if I partially-apply the function from within an IO context, I get a de-IO'd version of the function - maybe this is the key
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2025-09-28 05:31:26 +0200 <slondr> Hey that may have worked
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2025-09-28 05:46:13 +0200 <slondr> indeed it did! now I can read and write to an IORef from within the library's invokation of the callback. this is awesome
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2025-09-28 06:20:40 +0200 <dcpagan> Is there a standard way to iterate over type-level natural numbers?
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2025-09-28 06:22:49 +0200 <dcpagan> For example, in the recursion-schemes package (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/recursion-schemes), an instance of a base functor for Natural was defined as Maybe, and Natural was an instance of the fixed point of Maybe.
2025-09-28 06:23:09 +0200 <dcpagan> Is there a standard type-level way of unfixing that fixed point?
2025-09-28 06:23:14 +0200 <dcpagan> Something like this?
2025-09-28 06:23:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-09-28 06:23:28 +0200 <dcpagan> type family Unnatural (n :: Natural) where
2025-09-28 06:23:30 +0200 <dcpagan> Unnatural 0 = 'Nothing
2025-09-28 06:23:32 +0200 <dcpagan> Unnatural n = 'Just (n - 1)
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2025-09-28 07:44:01 +0200 <dcpagan> My type-level shenanigans worked, but, for some reason, using associated type families raises a type error that there is no instance of the KnownSymbol constraint.
2025-09-28 07:44:12 +0200 <dcpagan> My code is here: https://exercism.org/tracks/haskell/exercises/house/solutions/DCPagan
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2025-09-28 11:58:15 +0200 <lyxia> dcpagan: what's the code that failed and what's the error
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2025-09-28 13:20:08 +0200VictorHugenay(~VictorHug@user/VictorHugenay) VictorHugenay
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2025-09-28 13:32:41 +0200Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-09-28 13:32:44 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
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2025-09-28 13:33:59 +0200Lord_of_Life_Lord_of_Life
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2025-09-28 14:11:47 +0200MelodyOwO(~MelodyOwO@user/MelodyOwO) MelodyOwO
2025-09-28 14:20:18 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-28 14:21:42 +0200trickard_trickard
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2025-09-28 14:25:44 +0200Googulator44(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-f110-0864-c42c-107f.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
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2025-09-28 15:34:54 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-09-28 17:25:07 +0200L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) ()
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2025-09-28 18:05:23 +0200Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo
2025-09-28 18:07:48 +0200lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer
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2025-09-28 18:08:43 +0200 <slondr> why do haskell linters suggest calling 'elem' as infix instead of prefix? I haven't seen this suggestion for other functions but I'm getting it for 'elem'
2025-09-28 18:09:54 +0200 <__monty__> Looks nice if you use conceals?
2025-09-28 18:10:08 +0200 <__monty__> Makes the argument order more intuitive?
2025-09-28 18:10:19 +0200 <__monty__> Developer's personal opinion?
2025-09-28 18:10:45 +0200Googulator72(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-f110-0864-c42c-107f.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-09-28 18:10:50 +0200Googulator92(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-f110-0864-c42c-107f.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-09-28 18:11:01 +0200 <slondr> What are conceals?
2025-09-28 18:11:48 +0200 <int-e> x `elem` xs is reminiscent of x ∊ X in set theory
2025-09-28 18:12:27 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
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2025-09-28 18:23:22 +0200 <slondr> oh it's a vim thing?
2025-09-28 18:23:40 +0200 <slondr> Ohh I see, it's similar to prettify-symbols-mode
2025-09-28 18:23:57 +0200 <__monty__> Some other editors also do.
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2025-09-28 18:41:50 +0200 <dcpagan> lyxia: The code "rhyme = symbolVal $ Proxy @(Song SongLength)" throws the type error "No instance for (KnownSymbol (Song SongLength) arising from a use of 'symbolVal'".
2025-09-28 18:42:33 +0200 <dcpagan> I cannot use the associated type families, but the closed type families work.
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2025-09-28 18:43:31 +0200 <dcpagan> You can clone it here: https://github.com/DCPagan/Exercism-Haskell/blob/master/house/src/House.hs#L116-L117
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2025-09-28 18:55:03 +0200 <dcpagan> I solved it: I had to add an instance statement for the class.
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2025-09-28 20:29:12 +0200 <tomsmeding> dcpagan: did you add a manual instance to KnownSymbol? That sounds highly dubious and probably not the way to go
2025-09-28 20:29:30 +0200 <dcpagan> I just did; it fixed it.
2025-09-28 20:29:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> symbolVal is meant for symbols themselves; if you want tome kind of typeclass for "things that have a name", you should probably create that typeclass yourself
2025-09-28 20:29:56 +0200 <tomsmeding> and it could have an instance for Symbol that delegates to symbolVal
2025-09-28 20:30:27 +0200 <tomsmeding> or wait
2025-09-28 20:30:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> what do you mean with "add an instance statement" precisely?
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2025-09-28 20:31:55 +0200 <tomsmeding> oh you mean an instance for VerseIndex, not an instance for KnownSymbol
2025-09-28 20:32:04 +0200 <tomsmeding> yeah that makes perfect sense
2025-09-28 20:32:39 +0200 <tomsmeding> though I do wonder why the class is necessary
2025-09-28 20:36:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> dcpagan: https://play.haskell.org/saved/YzCmA0EI works fine for me
2025-09-28 20:36:15 +0200ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-09-28 20:36:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> I did have to convert the "type signatures" for Verses/Stanza/Song to StandaloneKindSignatures
2025-09-28 20:38:24 +0200 <dcpagan> tomsmeding: Before, I forgot to add the line "instance (KnownNat n, n <= SongLength) => VerseIndex (n :: Natural)"
2025-09-28 20:38:45 +0200 <tomsmeding> right
2025-09-28 20:39:01 +0200 <tomsmeding> that line has nothing to do with KnownSymbol, though :)
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2025-09-28 20:41:45 +0200 <dcpagan> I am getting conflicting conflicting type instances from the commented block of code:
2025-09-28 20:41:58 +0200 <dcpagan> https://github.com/DCPagan/Exercism-Haskell/blob/62845d21c972414c648e69a456990a00280c3faa/house/sr…
2025-09-28 20:42:29 +0200 <dcpagan> I want to encapsulate the constraints and type errors in a separate instance.
2025-09-28 20:42:36 +0200 <tomsmeding> instances are chosen/disambiguated purely based on the part to the right of the =>
2025-09-28 20:42:43 +0200 <tomsmeding> so both your `VerseIndex n` instances apply to all n
2025-09-28 20:42:53 +0200ystael(~ystael@user/ystael) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2025-09-28 20:43:05 +0200 <tomsmeding> haskell typeclasses are not a logic programming language, unfortunately
2025-09-28 20:43:08 +0200 <dcpagan> So how do I constrain the kind variables?
2025-09-28 20:43:19 +0200 <tomsmeding> with instances, you don't
2025-09-28 20:43:24 +0200 <dcpagan> That sucks.
2025-09-28 20:43:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> you can use type families though :)
2025-09-28 20:43:43 +0200 <tomsmeding> I don't see why you cannot just compute these things with type families
2025-09-28 20:44:25 +0200 <dcpagan> Can I pattern match with type families?
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2025-09-28 20:44:41 +0200 <tomsmeding> use https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.0.0/docs/GHC-TypeLits.html#t:-60--61--63- and https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.0.0/docs/Data-Type-Bool.html#t:If
2025-09-28 20:45:03 +0200 <tomsmeding> dcpagan: what is `Song' Nothing = "" ; Song' (Just n) = ...` doing if not pattern matching?
2025-09-28 20:45:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> but in this case, you don't want to pattern-match, you want to have a conditional on <=
2025-09-28 20:45:24 +0200 <dcpagan> Last time I tried Data.Type.Bool.If, I got reduction stack overflows.
2025-09-28 20:45:42 +0200 <dcpagan> It's why I refactored to recursion with Maybe Natural.
2025-09-28 20:45:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> sure, you can do that here too
2025-09-28 20:46:02 +0200 <dcpagan> I want to guard against naturals beyond a certain value.
2025-09-28 20:46:04 +0200 <tomsmeding> but I expect the If to work
2025-09-28 20:46:49 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-09-28 20:47:12 +0200 <tomsmeding> instance selection is "greedy" in haskell, no backtracking is performed
2025-09-28 20:47:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> the algorithm does, however, guard against ambiguity: an instance is chosen only if it can be determined, without looking at the constraints, that it's the only one that matches
2025-09-28 20:47:56 +0200 <tomsmeding> this means that the result of the greedy algorithm is always compatible with what a full backtracking algorithm would have produced
2025-09-28 20:49:12 +0200 <tomsmeding> why exactly this choice for greediness was made I don't know; perhaps to not accidentally build a prolog
2025-09-28 20:49:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> and retain sane compile times
2025-09-28 20:52:19 +0200 <EvanR> warning warning prolog detected. Abort
2025-09-28 20:52:26 +0200 <EvanR> it's too late
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2025-09-28 21:00:12 +0200 <[exa]> EvanR: no one used cut yet! backtrack!
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2025-09-28 21:01:40 +0200 <dcpagan> I used Data.Type.Bool.If, and there were no reduction stack overflows.
2025-09-28 21:01:43 +0200 <dcpagan> https://github.com/DCPagan/Exercism-Haskell/blob/73c27000e602ea2fe1718f552b717ae62a490257/house/sr…
2025-09-28 21:02:19 +0200 <dcpagan> Would this render redundant the constraint (n <= SongLength)?
2025-09-28 21:02:31 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-09-28 21:07:30 +0200 <dcpagan> The only thing I'm missing is specifying the input index in the custom type error message.
2025-09-28 21:08:01 +0200 <dcpagan> How do I convert a Natural to a Symbol for displaying in a custom type error message?
2025-09-28 21:08:17 +0200 <dcpagan> Like a type-promoted show?
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2025-09-28 21:17:16 +0200 <tomsmeding> dcpagan: use ShowType? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.20.0.1/docs/GHC-TypeError.html#t:ErrorMessage
2025-09-28 21:17:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> dcpagan: why is the instance still there? Why are Verses/Stanza/Song not just top-level type families at this point?
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2025-09-28 21:18:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> a class with a single, blanket instance (like you have here with VerseIndex) is very rarely useful
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2025-09-28 21:19:05 +0200 <tomsmeding> there are very specific reasons why you may need such a thing sometimes (in particular if it appears in a QuantifiedConstraint elsewhere), but none of those apply here
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2025-09-28 21:21:16 +0200 <dcpagan> I was planning on constraining the type family with the constraint.
2025-09-28 21:21:19 +0200vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2025-09-28 21:22:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> right
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2025-09-28 21:30:30 +0200 <dcpagan> Do custom type errors always make such constraints redundant?
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2025-09-28 21:30:48 +0200 <dcpagan> Latest update: https://github.com/DCPagan/Exercism-Haskell/blob/master/house/src/House.hs
2025-09-28 21:31:32 +0200 <dcpagan> I really like how custom type errors are immediately communicated to the IDE.
2025-09-28 21:32:05 +0200 <dcpagan> It's like I'm programming the IDE to gently hand-hold anyone who inherits this code.
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2025-09-28 21:49:29 +0200 <tomsmeding> well, the kind of type-level programming that you're doing here is not quite what the type system was designed for :)
2025-09-28 21:50:09 +0200 <tomsmeding> if your type class had a value in it too, then you would not have been able to eliminate the type class
2025-09-28 21:51:12 +0200 <tomsmeding> usually, if there's a sensible place to put a constraint and thereby save an explicit If in a type family, using the constraint is the better choice
2025-09-28 21:51:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> because constraints behave more nicely in the type system, in general
2025-09-28 21:51:49 +0200 <tomsmeding> but in this case you have no values in the first place, so there is no sensible place to put a constraint, so TypeError it is
2025-09-28 21:53:27 +0200 <EvanR> you have class but no value
2025-09-28 21:53:39 +0200 <EvanR> an awkward position to be in
2025-09-28 21:53:46 +0200 <tomsmeding> rather
2025-09-28 21:54:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> unless you're "typing the technical interview"
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2025-09-28 21:56:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> at least you have family this way
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