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2025-02-20 00:00:50 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-20 00:14:51 +0000Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.)
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2025-02-20 00:21:47 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
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2025-02-20 00:30:53 +0000rokoslight(~rokosligh@host-76-11-60-187.public.eastlink.ca)
2025-02-20 00:31:01 +0000ChanServ+o litharge
2025-02-20 00:31:03 +0000litharge-bo *!*@84.68.80.95 litharge
2025-02-20 00:31:35 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 00:34:56 +0000sprotte24(~sprotte24@p200300d16f0d4a00681b32e76f69c495.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 00:35:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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2025-02-20 00:38:59 +0000rokoslight(~rokosligh@host-76-11-60-187.public.eastlink.ca) (Quit: Client closed)
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2025-02-20 00:45:33 +0000fp(~Thunderbi@87-94-148-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) fp
2025-02-20 00:46:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 00:48:53 +0000user363627(~user@user/user363627) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-02-20 00:50:26 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-20 00:51:30 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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2025-02-20 00:55:27 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 01:02:19 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 01:02:24 +0000Googulator49(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu)
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2025-02-20 01:05:40 +0000Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:05:56 +0000ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) ChaiTRex
2025-02-20 01:06:14 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:06:47 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-20 01:06:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:07:25 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) stiell
2025-02-20 01:08:34 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 01:17:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 01:18:36 +0000ezzieyguywuf(~Unknown@user/ezzieyguywuf) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2025-02-20 01:19:59 +0000ezzieyguywuf(~Unknown@user/ezzieyguywuf) ezzieyguywuf
2025-02-20 01:24:08 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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2025-02-20 01:32:46 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:34:18 +0000talismanick(~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2025-02-20 01:41:42 +0000talismanick(~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick
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2025-02-20 01:42:03 +0000pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) pabs3
2025-02-20 01:42:24 +0000talismanick(~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 01:42:37 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:43:47 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-20 01:45:29 +0000pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) pabs3
2025-02-20 01:47:15 +0000pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 01:48:18 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 01:49:29 +0000pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) pabs3
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2025-02-20 01:53:35 +0000yegorc(~yegorc@user/yegorc) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-02-20 01:59:10 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 02:03:33 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 02:06:18 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c)
2025-02-20 02:12:29 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-02-20 02:13:43 +0000cstslrdg^(~cstslrdg@108.192.66.114) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-02-20 02:14:32 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-20 02:19:48 +0000hgolden(~hgolden@2603:8000:9d00:3ed1:6ff3:8389:b901:6363) hgolden
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2025-02-20 02:26:24 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
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2025-02-20 02:29:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-20 02:34:29 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-02-20 02:43:17 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 02:45:16 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 02:49:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2025-02-20 02:58:28 +0000tavare(~tavare@user/tavare) tavare
2025-02-20 03:00:39 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 03:05:27 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 03:07:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:11:58 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
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2025-02-20 03:18:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-02-20 03:21:39 +0000talismanick(~user@2601:644:937c:ed10::ae5) talismanick
2025-02-20 03:23:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:27:39 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 03:29:00 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:34:05 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 03:38:32 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2025-02-20 03:39:58 +0000hattckory(~hattckory@149.102.242.103) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-20 03:39:59 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 03:40:10 +0000hattckory(~hattckory@149.102.242.103)
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2025-02-20 03:49:27 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 03:50:12 +0000Googulator49(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-02-20 03:50:29 +0000Googulator49(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-02-20 03:51:32 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 03:53:20 +0000Square2(~Square4@user/square) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:53:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:53:54 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 03:54:00 +0000m257(msa@msa.planetofnix.com) m257
2025-02-20 03:56:14 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-20 03:58:43 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-20 04:03:06 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:03:32 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c)
2025-02-20 04:04:51 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 04:06:02 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-02-20 04:08:27 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-02-20 04:08:39 +0000j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:08:40 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 04:09:20 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:19:42 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c)
2025-02-20 04:20:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 04:21:17 +0000Googulator6(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-02-20 04:22:23 +0000tavare(~tavare@user/tavare) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-20 04:25:04 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:25:10 +0000Googulator49(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4074-d03d-62dd-ebb0-8d32.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:25:37 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 04:26:44 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 04:30:01 +0000k0zy(~user@user/k0zy) k0zy
2025-02-20 04:31:20 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:35:40 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 04:40:42 +0000codaraxis__(~codaraxis@user/codaraxis) Codaraxis
2025-02-20 04:42:26 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-02-20 04:42:47 +0000aforemny_(~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cc6:9e00:81b8:a89c:3a54:df8) aforemny
2025-02-20 04:43:31 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 04:43:33 +0000aforemny(~aforemny@2001:9e8:6ced:2b00:6085:15c7:5969:9b60) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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2025-02-20 04:46:07 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-20 04:48:44 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2025-02-20 04:53:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 04:55:41 +0000k0zy(~user@user/k0zy) (Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.4))
2025-02-20 04:57:40 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 04:58:13 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:05:14 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:09:02 +0000Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-20 05:09:05 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 05:12:04 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 05:13:07 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c)
2025-02-20 05:13:30 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:15:48 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:16:37 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:18:38 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 05:18:59 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 05:19:52 +0000bilegeek(~bilegeek@2600:1008:b047:6f58:4329:1165:130c:c028) bilegeek
2025-02-20 05:23:52 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:24:22 +0000dhmslrps^(~dhmslrps@108.192.66.114)
2025-02-20 05:24:29 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 05:25:04 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-02-20 05:29:34 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:32:51 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-20 05:35:16 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 05:36:35 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 05:37:25 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:39:46 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:39:53 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-20 05:41:19 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c)
2025-02-20 05:41:29 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
2025-02-20 05:42:02 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-02-20 05:42:50 +0000fp(~Thunderbi@87-94-148-3.rev.dnainternet.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:43:03 +0000JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:5dd:432e:7da4:ea3c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-02-20 05:43:36 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-20 05:44:25 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:46:26 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-02-20 05:47:42 +0000atwm(~andrew@19-193-28-81.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net) atwm
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2025-02-20 11:20:21 +0000 <lisbeths> whats wrong with this let x = (\x -> (x x))(\x -> x)
2025-02-20 11:21:49 +0000 <ncf> what's the type of the second x?
2025-02-20 11:21:55 +0000 <lisbeths> I do not know type theory
2025-02-20 11:22:04 +0000 <lisbeths> I would like these to be of anonymous type if possible
2025-02-20 11:22:19 +0000 <ncf> what's an anonymous type?
2025-02-20 11:22:26 +0000 <lisbeths> a wildcard type
2025-02-20 11:22:44 +0000 <ncf> i'm afraid haskell doesn't have those
2025-02-20 11:22:58 +0000 <lisbeths> what about a type that accepts a type and a lambda that accepts a type
2025-02-20 11:24:38 +0000 <mange> Haskell requires each expression to have a type. If we try to give a type to \x -> (x x) then we have the type of "x" as "a -> b" (because it's being used as a function), but we pass "x" to "x", so "a" is the type of "x", which is itself "a -> b". This constructs an infinite type which is no good.
2025-02-20 11:24:51 +0000 <lisbeths> so hwo do I apply lambdas together
2025-02-20 11:25:36 +0000 <mange> What are you trying to do? In the easiest case, just don't call a lambda with itself. Like, "let x = (\x -> (x 1))(\x -> x)" should be fine.
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2025-02-20 11:26:07 +0000 <lisbeths> what would applying x to 1 do?
2025-02-20 11:26:08 +0000acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f6279fd67032cffedd5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-02-20 11:26:26 +0000 <lisbeths> is that the de brujins index 1
2025-02-20 11:27:03 +0000 <int-e> why are you mixing names and de Bruijn indices
2025-02-20 11:27:53 +0000 <mange> I'm very confused. What are you actually trying to do?
2025-02-20 11:28:15 +0000 <mange> I fear that we've got an XY problem here.
2025-02-20 11:28:22 +0000 <int-e> > let x = (\x -> (x 1))(\x -> x) in x
2025-02-20 11:28:23 +0000 <lambdabot> 1
2025-02-20 11:28:52 +0000 <int-e> (The fact that this makes sense in Haskell, the main topic of this channel, probably adds to the confusion.)
2025-02-20 11:28:52 +0000 <lisbeths> ah well that isnt what I asked but thats okay
2025-02-20 11:29:20 +0000 <lisbeths> do you define identity as 1 in haskell?
2025-02-20 11:29:50 +0000 <mange> Are you working in a pure lambda calculus?
2025-02-20 11:29:54 +0000 <lisbeths> yeah
2025-02-20 11:30:31 +0000 <mange> Right. In that case, can you tell me: what was wrong with (\x -> (x x))(\x -> x)? As in, what caused you to suspect there was something wrong with it?
2025-02-20 11:30:59 +0000 <mange> In an untyped lambda calculus, (\x -> (x x))(\x -> x) is just the identity function.
2025-02-20 11:31:13 +0000 <lisbeths> doesnt compile on my machine
2025-02-20 11:31:19 +0000 <mange> In Haskell?
2025-02-20 11:31:42 +0000 <lisbeths> ghci: let x = (\x -> (x x))(\x -> x)
2025-02-20 11:31:53 +0000 <mange> Sure, but Haskell is not *untyped* lambda calculus.
2025-02-20 11:32:00 +0000 <lisbeths> indeed
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2025-02-20 11:32:18 +0000 <mange> That expression requires an infinite type, which Haskell does not permit.
2025-02-20 11:32:24 +0000 <lisbeths> oh
2025-02-20 11:32:35 +0000 <mange> So what's wrong is "(\x -> (x x)) is not a valid Haskell function".
2025-02-20 11:32:37 +0000 <lisbeths> how do I code in pure lambda calculus in haskell?
2025-02-20 11:33:28 +0000 <lisbeths> if there is no way to do it then I can use a krivine machine instead
2025-02-20 11:33:47 +0000 <mange> Haskell is a typed lambda calculus. If you want to work with an untyped lambda calculus you should not use Haskell. I don't know what else is syntactically similar, but Scheme is an untyped lambda calculus.
2025-02-20 11:34:00 +0000 <merijn> lisbeths: You can work around the lack of infinite types by having a newtype referencing itself
2025-02-20 11:34:09 +0000 <lisbeths> do you know any purely functional languages with infinite recursion that are untyped
2025-02-20 11:34:36 +0000 <lisbeths> ok if you think that it would be better for me to do that than to use a different languag then I can do that
2025-02-20 11:35:16 +0000 <int-e> there's the alluring but quite useless newtype L = Abs { app :: L -> L } with k = L (\x -> L (\y -> x)), s = L (\f -> L (\g -> L (
2025-02-20 11:35:35 +0000 <int-e> there's the alluring but quite useless newtype L = Abs { app :: L -> L } with k = L (\x -> L (\y -> x)), s = L (\f -> L (\g -> L (\x -> f `app` x `app` (g `app` x))))
2025-02-20 11:35:38 +0000 <mange> I'm not familiar with anything that is both "purely functional" and "untyped". Scheme is not purely functional (it is functional, just with impurity).
2025-02-20 11:36:17 +0000 <int-e> err, all those `L` data constructors should be `Abs` instead.
2025-02-20 11:36:51 +0000 <lisbeths> well the good news is I can compile to this L language so the boilerplate isnt an issue
2025-02-20 11:37:12 +0000 <int-e> It's alluring because it does what you ask -- it implements the untyped lambda calculus (closed terms only) as higher order abstract syntax. It's useless because there's no inspection.
2025-02-20 11:37:13 +0000 <lisbeths> it is just a matter of if you think I should use haskell this way or use a dfiferetn way or else a different language
2025-02-20 11:37:33 +0000 <mange> I still don't know what you're actually doing, so I can't possibly advise you on language.
2025-02-20 11:37:35 +0000 <lisbeths> inspection is the typechecking/proofchecking right?
2025-02-20 11:37:37 +0000Square2(~Square4@user/square) Square
2025-02-20 11:37:53 +0000 <lisbeths> uh well I am running unknown programs that have no side effects in pure lambda calculus
2025-02-20 11:37:59 +0000 <lisbeths> so I dont know what lambdas im gonna get
2025-02-20 11:38:10 +0000 <int-e> No, inspection as in "print the normal form of this as a human-readable lambda term if there is a normal form"
2025-02-20 11:38:29 +0000 <lisbeths> oh this is fine as long as I can convert L kestrel to 1 and L kite to 0
2025-02-20 11:38:38 +0000 <lisbeths> I am not expecting a strong IO library to be available
2025-02-20 11:39:36 +0000 <lisbeths> haskell will recursively grab 1 and 0 from the L machine and store them in arrays of 8 bits and map them to a function that turns those 8 bits into characters that is no prblem
2025-02-20 11:39:44 +0000 <int-e> lisbeths: Well, you can't.
2025-02-20 11:40:02 +0000 <lisbeths> oh well if its possible for information to exit the L system then I cant necessarily use L?
2025-02-20 11:40:14 +0000 <lisbeths> can I have L call a function that returns 1 or call a function taht returns 0
2025-02-20 11:41:34 +0000 <int-e> No, all arguments and results have type L.
2025-02-20 11:42:03 +0000 <lisbeths> so what if I have it be a tuple of type L and another type
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2025-02-20 11:42:30 +0000 <lisbeths> yeah heh heh I think I am grasping what you're laying down
2025-02-20 11:42:41 +0000 <int-e> (Well, there's a path to madness here that starts when you use observable bottoms (exceptions) and IO to discern which of them gets evaluated first.)
2025-02-20 11:43:12 +0000 <lisbeths> I write my lambdas in such a way that order of evaluation doesnt affect the algorithm
2025-02-20 11:43:33 +0000 <lisbeths> really just a subset of lambda calculus
2025-02-20 11:43:52 +0000 <mange> Even if you get this working, is your plan to compile your input into a Haskell program which you then compile+run? Or are you going to assemble them in memory and evaluate them?
2025-02-20 11:44:24 +0000 <lisbeths> I am going to beta reduce one very large lambda and assume that the user has given me a lambda that will halt
2025-02-20 11:45:00 +0000 <lisbeths> to beat my current system I need to be able to fill at least 2 gigabytes of ram with lambdas
2025-02-20 11:45:08 +0000 <mange> But what we're discussing right now is converting it into Haskell syntax, isn't it? Which mean invoking the Haskell compiler to evaluate it?
2025-02-20 11:45:22 +0000 <lisbeths> uh yes I can write the compiler in haskell
2025-02-20 11:45:36 +0000 <lisbeths> the theing I am compilng from is my own notation for lambda calculus
2025-02-20 11:46:52 +0000 <lisbeths> if your advice is not to do this I wont do it I can use another tool
2025-02-20 11:47:02 +0000 <lisbeths> I have this machien called a krivine machine which will work for me just fine as well
2025-02-20 11:47:27 +0000__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) toonn
2025-02-20 11:47:48 +0000 <lisbeths> additionally there are likely machines like krivine machines already implemented in haskell that are designed specifically to compute large pure lambdas
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2025-02-20 13:46:33 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> is the only way to get getCh in Haskell through C FFI?
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2025-02-20 13:48:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> hmmm, getch is MS specific
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2025-02-20 13:56:38 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> bleh, haskeline it is
2025-02-20 13:56:40 +0000 <enikar> getch is a legacy function from borland C, iirc
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2025-02-20 14:03:05 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> ugh, it still doesn't do what i want, which is to grab key presses (without ugly unbuffered getChar hacks)
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2025-02-20 14:06:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> erm, grab arrow key presses
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2025-02-20 14:59:14 +0000 <mauke> if you're running in a terminal, there are no key presses, only bytes
2025-02-20 14:59:19 +0000 <mauke> which you have to decode
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2025-02-20 17:06:12 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> @irc_libera.chat_lisbeths:kf8nh.com you might be interested in https://github.com/chatziko/lci if you want to mess around with the untyped lambda calculus
2025-02-20 17:08:02 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Oh they left, that's the most annoying feature of IRC lol
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2025-02-20 17:11:46 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Liamzee if you're still here, vty is kinda like ncurses for Haskell, which abstracts the process of working with a terminal https://hackage.haskell.org/package/vty
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2025-02-20 17:15:09 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> I'd assume that there's smaller packages that just focus on key decoding, or if you want easier, generic UI, brick (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/brick) is pretty good
2025-02-20 17:16:10 +0000 <geekosaur> ansi-terminal, which I think recently-ish gained Windows compatibility
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2025-02-20 18:38:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> ansi-terminal-game is in between those
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