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2024-01-31 01:03:05 +0100 <jackdk> EvanR: I use https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_vga_9x16 as my terminal and emacs font. It gives many people flashbacks to "my computer's misbehaving and I've been reduced to flipping BIOS settings to recover it" (hi Axman6)
2024-01-31 01:04:54 +0100Square(~Square@user/square)
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2024-01-31 01:05:40 +0100 <EvanR> yes
2024-01-31 01:07:19 +0100 <c_wraith> those classic fonts were *really* good
2024-01-31 01:07:38 +0100 <c_wraith> like, I'm astounded how bad some modern fonts are in comparison. Ones that people even seem to think are good.
2024-01-31 01:08:09 +0100dhruvasagar(~dhruvasag@49.207.206.234)
2024-01-31 01:08:27 +0100 <EvanR> like, the ones that come bundled with linux distros
2024-01-31 01:08:33 +0100 <EvanR> how... why...
2024-01-31 01:09:07 +0100jmdaemon(~jmdaemon@user/jmdaemon)
2024-01-31 01:10:32 +0100rvalue(~rvalue@user/rvalue) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-01-31 01:12:36 +0100 <duncan> sun5x11 or nought
2024-01-31 01:12:55 +0100dhruvasagar(~dhruvasag@49.207.206.234) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2024-01-31 01:13:18 +0100 <duncan> https://computernewb.com/w/images/cn_wiki/8/83/Sparc1-SunOS.png
2024-01-31 01:14:04 +0100 <geekosaur> https://blog.adafruit.com/2019/03/29/raster-crt-typography-the-glyphs-drawn-by-dec-vt100-and-vt220…
2024-01-31 01:14:30 +0100 <geekosaur> although that's too recent to be the font I used to use back in the day
2024-01-31 01:15:41 +0100 <geekosaur> sorry, it shows the font I used (Glass TTY VT220)
2024-01-31 01:16:23 +0100 <EvanR> that sun font even looks better than some of these fonts you can find in your /usr/share/
2024-01-31 01:16:23 +0100 <duncan> I am also fond of the SGI fonts
2024-01-31 01:16:46 +0100ystael(~ystael@user/ystael) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2024-01-31 01:16:47 +0100 <geekosaur> sadly I had to give it up when I needed UTF8 support
2024-01-31 01:17:18 +0100 <duncan> there was some horrible way of sourcing them, there was the SGI OSS font archive which they provided, but they also had some really neat fonts which only appeared in PDF circulars/press releases
2024-01-31 01:17:23 +0100 <duncan> https://web.archive.org/web/20050428123710/http://www.sgi.com/pdfs/3800.pdf
2024-01-31 01:17:53 +0100 <jackdk> duncan: has antialiasing come into that image at some point? I suspect that the PNG makes it looks fuzzier than it looked IRL. It would be an excellent 1-bit bitmap font
2024-01-31 01:18:34 +0100mud(~mud@user/kadoban) (Quit: quit)
2024-01-31 01:18:59 +0100 <duncan> jackdk: this image is from an emulator I believe. the actual font shipped with openBSD as the default console font until very recently, it's also in the Debian/Linux kbd source archive (but not shipped with binaries)
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2024-01-31 01:19:23 +0100dhruvasagar(~dhruvasag@49.207.206.234)
2024-01-31 01:19:28 +0100 <jackdk> I suspected something like that. It is very classy.
2024-01-31 01:19:34 +0100 <duncan> at one point I converted it to TTF so I could make fake sparcstation splash screens for Coreboot with it
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2024-01-31 11:56:48 +0100 <Athas> I have a program that fails at runtime with <loop> with GHC 9.8.1, but not with any previous version. Is there a known bug that has this symptom?
2024-01-31 11:57:40 +0100 <danse-nr3> :/
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2024-01-31 12:36:02 +0100 <L29Ah> is there a ci thing that i can plug into, say, github so it will produce proper statically-linked (to musl libc for proper portability) binaries for my haskell executable projects?
2024-01-31 12:38:04 +0100 <dminuoso_> L29Ah: nix has a simple thing.
2024-01-31 12:38:16 +0100 <dminuoso_> Or well, haskell.nix does.
2024-01-31 12:45:28 +0100 <dminuoso_> Sigh. Why cant we have type guaranteed safe numerical conversions in base?
2024-01-31 12:46:35 +0100 <danse-nr3> for instance?
2024-01-31 12:48:23 +0100 <dminuoso_> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/int-cast
2024-01-31 12:48:27 +0100 <dminuoso_> This thing should be part of base. :/
2024-01-31 12:49:13 +0100 <dminuoso_> I've just been bitten by a fromIntegral overflow.
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2024-01-31 12:55:54 +0100 <danse-nr3> well i stopped complaining about type safety in base
2024-01-31 12:57:13 +0100 <dminuoso_> I find it very curious how haskell designers and contributors explore so many type safety constructs, but leave the base around as a repackaged minesweeper game. :S
2024-01-31 12:57:41 +0100 <danse-nr3> XD
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2024-01-31 13:06:07 +0100 <tomsmeding> dminuoso_: overflow because of conversion to a smaller type? int-cast still allows conversion from Int to Word, even with intCastEq
2024-01-31 13:06:48 +0100 <tomsmeding> which _is_ an overflow too, though I guess it's invertible so less of a problem
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2024-01-31 13:10:08 +0100 <dminuoso_> tomsmeding: Fair, I should have correctly called it truncation.
2024-01-31 13:10:17 +0100 <tomsmeding> right
2024-01-31 13:10:37 +0100 <dminuoso_> And the overflow has a defined behavior, unlike some of the overflow/underflow in C.
2024-01-31 13:10:56 +0100 <tomsmeding> praise be
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2024-01-31 13:31:16 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> > take 5 [1..]
2024-01-31 13:31:17 +0100 <lambdabot> [1,2,3,4,5]
2024-01-31 13:31:49 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> > :type 1
2024-01-31 13:31:51 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’
2024-01-31 13:33:02 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> > 1 : 2 : 3 : []
2024-01-31 13:33:03 +0100 <lambdabot> [1,2,3]
2024-01-31 13:33:56 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> :t 1
2024-01-31 13:33:57 +0100 <lambdabot> Num p => p
2024-01-31 13:35:06 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> @djinn (a, b) -> (b, a)
2024-01-31 13:35:06 +0100 <lambdabot> f (a, b) = (b, a)
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2024-01-31 13:47:21 +0100 <tomsmeding> theInvertedFunct: you can also private-chat with lambdabot :)
2024-01-31 13:48:12 +0100 <danse-nr3> although at least this way they animate the channel a bit :P
2024-01-31 13:48:31 +0100 <danse-nr3> not sure what are they up to though
2024-01-31 13:49:38 +0100 <theInvertedFunct> trying to figure out how IRC works, that's all
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2024-01-31 16:52:05 +0100 <tinjamin> gm haskellers
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2024-01-31 17:08:34 +0100 <danse-nr3> hey tinjamin
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2024-01-31 18:22:14 +0100 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> When using `BangPatterns`, how is `let x = f y in T x` translated?
2024-01-31 18:22:37 +0100 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> ah there should be an exclamation mark in the let binding, apologies
2024-01-31 18:25:32 +0100 <L29Ah> > Just undefined
2024-01-31 18:25:34 +0100 <lambdabot> Just *Exception: Prelude.undefined
2024-01-31 18:25:52 +0100 <L29Ah> > let !x = undefined in Just x
2024-01-31 18:25:54 +0100 <lambdabot> *Exception: Prelude.undefined
2024-01-31 18:26:42 +0100 <danse-nr3> > Just 1 <|> Just undefined
2024-01-31 18:26:43 +0100 <lambdabot> Just 1
2024-01-31 18:26:57 +0100 <danse-nr3> > let !x = undefined in Just 1 <|> Just undefined
2024-01-31 18:26:59 +0100 <lambdabot> *Exception: Prelude.undefined
2024-01-31 18:27:19 +0100 <danse-nr3> oops
2024-01-31 18:27:20 +0100 <L29Ah> cool
2024-01-31 18:27:20 +0100 <danse-nr3> > let !x = undefined in Just 1 <|> Just x
2024-01-31 18:27:22 +0100 <lambdabot> *Exception: Prelude.undefined
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2024-01-31 19:09:44 +0100 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> apologies, I know what it does; I was moreso wondering how it's translated in terms of (probably seq)
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2024-01-31 19:12:47 +0100 <[Leary]> Jade: `let !v = EXPR in BODY` = `let v = EXPR in v `seq` BODY`. See <https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/strict.html#dynamic-semantics-of-ba…> for detail (and other cases).
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2024-01-31 19:49:06 +0100 <haskellbridge> 15<J​ade> thanks!
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