| 2023-07-03 00:00:07 +0200 | <chromoblob> | how likely is that this patch will be accepted |
| 2023-07-03 00:00:10 +0200 | dibblego | (~dibblego@haskell/developer/dibblego) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2023-07-03 00:03:28 +0200 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
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| 2023-07-03 00:17:59 +0200 | dobblego | dibblego |
| 2023-07-03 00:27:38 +0200 | <Inst> | also, ramblings: |
| 2023-07-03 00:27:48 +0200 | <Inst> | "We really need a common widget language that multiple GUI and web frameworks can use" |
| 2023-07-03 00:28:09 +0200 | <Inst> | TBH, we sort of already have that, don't we? HTML to an extent |
| 2023-07-03 00:30:17 +0200 | <monochrom> | We have that, and DOM, and Guile, and something from Windows, and something from Mac. |
| 2023-07-03 00:30:41 +0200 | <monochrom> | Or rather, s/We have/There are/ |
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| 2023-07-03 01:20:13 +0200 | smth-42 | (~smth-42@46.42.244.46) () |
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| 2023-07-03 01:22:27 +0200 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d198-53-218-113.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 2023-07-03 01:28:48 +0200 | <EvanR> | Inst, there's too many GUI libraries. Someone should make yet another one to unify them all. Best part, you can only use it from haskell |
| 2023-07-03 01:33:45 +0200 | <monochrom> | There are too many humans... |
| 2023-07-03 01:35:18 +0200 | smth-42 | (~smth-42@46.42.244.46) |
| 2023-07-03 01:38:48 +0200 | <smth-42> | what do you think browsers should add to the standard dom implementation? |
| 2023-07-03 01:39:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | Why is that relevant to this channel? |
| 2023-07-03 01:39:48 +0200 | <smth-42> | something like immutable API for DOM, make working with immutable state easier |
| 2023-07-03 01:39:51 +0200 | <int-e> | smth-42: they should add less |
| 2023-07-03 01:39:55 +0200 | <int-e> | :P |
| 2023-07-03 01:40:51 +0200 | mauke_ | (~mauke@user/mauke) |
| 2023-07-03 01:41:04 +0200 | <smth-42> | it's relevant |
| 2023-07-03 01:41:33 +0200 | <smth-42> | I assure you |
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| 2023-07-03 01:41:45 +0200 | <smth-42> | :P |
| 2023-07-03 01:42:50 +0200 | mauke | (~mauke@user/mauke) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 01:42:50 +0200 | mauke_ | mauke |
| 2023-07-03 01:43:34 +0200 | <smth-42> | right now we have such functionality implemented in libraries, but it would be easier to have the functionality built-in into the language |
| 2023-07-03 01:44:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | GUI built into the language works great. Look at Java |
| 2023-07-03 01:45:11 +0200 | <monochrom> | Every fad wants itself to be built into languages, yes. |
| 2023-07-03 01:47:15 +0200 | <smth-42> | with browsers, we're in a situation when we have gui integrated into the language |
| 2023-07-03 01:48:02 +0200 | <EvanR> | isnt that more language integrated into the gui xD |
| 2023-07-03 01:48:04 +0200 | <monochrom> | Since browsers' "the language" is not Haskell, this is off-topic. |
| 2023-07-03 01:48:05 +0200 | <smth-42> | but the api pushes you in the direction of mutability, |
| 2023-07-03 01:48:34 +0200 | mmhat | (~mmh@p200300f1c722e493ee086bfffe095315.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2023-07-03 01:49:19 +0200 | <smth-42> | ok, I got a little confused about what is integrated into what |
| 2023-07-03 01:50:30 +0200 | <smth-42> | I'm talking about bringing functional programming into browsers, I think that's relevant |
| 2023-07-03 01:52:29 +0200 | Luj | (~Luj@2a01:e0a:5f9:9681:5880:c9ff:fe9f:3dfb) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
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| 2023-07-03 01:53:03 +0200 | <smth-42> | one the one hand, it's super hard for browsers to agree on a standard |
| 2023-07-03 01:53:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | we have that, ghcjs |
| 2023-07-03 01:53:43 +0200 | hyvoid | (~hyenavoid@222-0-178-69.static.gci.net) |
| 2023-07-03 01:53:45 +0200 | <smth-42> | but on the other hand, they moved to JS6 somehow |
| 2023-07-03 01:54:32 +0200 | azr4e1 | (~azr4e1@2a00:23c7:9cbc:3401:45fb:9c68:12fe:262b) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
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| 2023-07-03 01:55:07 +0200 | <smth-42> | yes, but wouldn't it be nice to have immutable API to DOM built-in into the brwser? |
| 2023-07-03 01:55:23 +0200 | hyvoid | (~hyenavoid@222-0-178-69.static.gci.net) |
| 2023-07-03 01:59:23 +0200 | <probie> | It's pretty easy for all browsers to agree on a standard these days, since at this point in time there's effectively only two - firefox and all the chromium based ones. You only need to get google and mozilla to agree |
| 2023-07-03 01:59:36 +0200 | smth-42 | (~smth-42@46.42.244.46) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 01:59:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | "only" |
| 2023-07-03 02:00:43 +0200 | <monochrom> | We waited 40 years and "only" Apple and Microsoft still couldn't agree. And even when Gates bought some Apple stocks to help Jobs. |
| 2023-07-03 02:01:27 +0200 | <probie> | but personally, I can't see the motivation to have an "immutable API to DOM". Browsers need fewer features, not more |
| 2023-07-03 02:01:53 +0200 | notzmv | (~zmv@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 02:02:19 +0200 | <probie> | or just to split my "web browser" from my "web app engine", but that's a rant for another time and another channel |
| 2023-07-03 02:02:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | Well, we can have "no mutable API to DOM". That's a good start on subtraction design. I think int-e would approve. :) |
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| 2023-07-03 02:03:06 +0200 | <monochrom> | or more realistically, s/can/very hypothetically in a different universe could/ |
| 2023-07-03 02:03:09 +0200 | phma | (~phma@host-67-44-208-102.hnremote.net) |
| 2023-07-03 02:04:20 +0200 | hyvoid | (~hyenavoid@222-0-178-69.static.gci.net) (Quit: WeeChat 3.8) |
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| 2023-07-03 02:11:33 +0200 | <chromoblob> | why do you want agreement |
| 2023-07-03 02:11:45 +0200 | hyvoid | (~hyenavoid@222-0-178-69.static.gci.net) (Client Quit) |
| 2023-07-03 02:11:47 +0200 | <chromoblob> | make it heterogeneous |
| 2023-07-03 02:11:55 +0200 | <monochrom> | The trait of all politicians. |
| 2023-07-03 02:12:05 +0200 | <monochrom> | politicians and management types |
| 2023-07-03 02:12:30 +0200 | <chromoblob> | you mean wanting agreement is the trait? |
| 2023-07-03 02:12:54 +0200 | hyvoid | (~hyenavoid@222-0-178-69.static.gci.net) |
| 2023-07-03 02:13:14 +0200 | <monochrom> | and in Catch Me If You Can, the protagonist imposting as a medical doctor and keep asking around "do you concur?" :) |
| 2023-07-03 02:14:26 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yes. |
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| 2023-07-03 02:17:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | Don't you agree? :) |
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| 2023-07-03 02:25:15 +0200 | ski | disagrees to agree |
| 2023-07-03 02:29:21 +0200 | <shiraeeshi> | there's a place heterogeneity, and there's a place for homogeneity |
| 2023-07-03 02:29:45 +0200 | <shiraeeshi> | libraries are a place for heterogeneity |
| 2023-07-03 02:30:17 +0200 | <shiraeeshi> | and a standard library should agree with itself |
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| 2023-07-03 05:44:49 +0200 | <glguy> | maerwald: I think people would take versioning more seriously if it had tigher language integration |
| 2023-07-03 05:52:00 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | I think you can already use hie files today to inspect API, no? |
| 2023-07-03 05:52:42 +0200 | <glguy> | I guess since the haddock comments are (can be?) saved in the interface files, then technically you can parse your way to them? |
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| 2023-07-03 05:56:31 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Maybe just needs someone to pick up policeman |
| 2023-07-03 05:56:46 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | https://github.com/haskellfoundation/tech-proposals/pull/51#discussion_r1245182844 |
| 2023-07-03 05:56:53 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | There was some critique |
| 2023-07-03 05:58:17 +0200 | aforemny | (~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cea:a700:83cb:6a09:250d:e06) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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| 2023-07-03 06:06:40 +0200 | _ht | (~Thunderbi@28-52-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl) |
| 2023-07-03 06:10:35 +0200 | <glguy> | maerwald[m]: also, while reading through stuff on discourse I saw another thing you wrote mentioning yaml-streamly. since I'm hacking on a toml library I thought I'd see what you had there and I like how you parameterized your key-value serializer on a key ordering function and now I'm trying to decide how I want to incorporate something like that |
| 2023-07-03 06:11:21 +0200 | <glguy> | I think I want the key-ordering to be per-type and not per pretty printing, so I'm even less sure how to incorporate that into my current design |
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| 2023-07-03 06:30:49 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | glguy: what do you mean with types? |
| 2023-07-03 06:31:45 +0200 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) |
| 2023-07-03 06:32:43 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@71.212.137.212) (Client Quit) |
| 2023-07-03 06:33:03 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | The type of the value in the key-value pair? |
| 2023-07-03 06:33:11 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@86-86-29-250.fixed.kpn.net) |
| 2023-07-03 06:33:30 +0200 | <glguy> | I mean like each type that gets converted to a key-value mapping might want its own ordering |
| 2023-07-03 06:33:54 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Ah, sounds like typeclasses, no? |
| 2023-07-03 06:35:45 +0200 | <glguy> | Yes, but my current design uses a typeclass to go from application type to key-val mapping, and then my pretty printer goes from abstract toml values to concrete syntax, so the association to the orginal type is lost |
| 2023-07-03 06:36:21 +0200 | <glguy> | I need to redo my abstraction so that the typeclass would have to go directly from application type to concrete syntax, or change my abstract toml values to have a key ordering to them |
| 2023-07-03 06:37:14 +0200 | <glguy> | anyway, I'll figure *something* out, I just was mentioning that your code sent me into a puzzle :) |
| 2023-07-03 06:37:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@86-86-29-250.fixed.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 06:38:29 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Not really my code, I just forked the library. I believe Snoyman wrote the initial version |
| 2023-07-03 06:38:50 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@71.212.137.212) |
| 2023-07-03 06:39:00 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | His coding style is surprisingly close to mine though. I enjoy hacking on his stuff |
| 2023-07-03 06:40:31 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Just our goals never align 😆 |
| 2023-07-03 06:41:34 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | glguy: are you using a streaming library? |
| 2023-07-03 06:48:58 +0200 | <glguy> | not yet. 1) I was figuring that most TOML files are in any kind of performance path 2) you can't validate a TOML file until you have the whole thing |
| 2023-07-03 06:49:29 +0200 | <glguy> | Is streamly your favorite or is that just an inherited choice from the fork? |
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| 2023-07-03 07:10:33 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | glguy: yeah, I think it has the most potential, but the API churn is depressing |
| 2023-07-03 07:10:39 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Too many changes in every release |
| 2023-07-03 07:12:19 +0200 | azimut | (~azimut@gateway/tor-sasl/azimut) |
| 2023-07-03 07:14:49 +0200 | <probie> | That's large parts of the Haskell ecosystem in a nutshell |
| 2023-07-03 07:15:22 +0200 | harveypwca | (~harveypwc@2601:246:c180:a570:3828:d8:e523:3f67) |
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| 2023-07-03 07:20:22 +0200 | <jackdk> | This is why I stay with streaming - seems to be a sweet spot between simplicity/stability/being able to do things I need to do |
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| 2023-07-03 07:30:04 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | I don't understand how it can be so hard to design an API and stick with it. Do people get new ideas every 2 months? |
| 2023-07-03 07:32:51 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | My guess is this is one of the bigger reasons why Haskell will stay behind rust and other languages. Not the lack of dependent types |
| 2023-07-03 07:34:58 +0200 | cafkafk | (~cafkafk@fsf/member/cafkafk) |
| 2023-07-03 07:37:33 +0200 | <jackdk> | there's nothing wrong with having an experimental streaming library where people can tinker and rebuild the API to make it faster/better/whatever. I choose not to use it because for me the streaming lib is a means, not an end |
| 2023-07-03 07:38:11 +0200 | _ht | (~Thunderbi@28-52-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl) (Quit: _ht) |
| 2023-07-03 07:39:13 +0200 | <probie> | I wouldn't mind having separate API versions from package versions (that statement isn't restricted to just Haskell) |
| 2023-07-03 07:42:13 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Breaking API is fine if you actually maintain multiple major versions in parallel |
| 2023-07-03 07:42:20 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | That's actually the point of PVP |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:08 +0200 | <monochrom> | Over in Python land these things are not better, probably even worse. I have a friend who is a prof and supervises student projects and gets very dismayed that the code is incompatibility with the libraries just after 6 months. |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:22 +0200 | <probie> | That requires maintaining several different versions. In the case where you can still provide the "old" API alongside the new API with the same internals, it'd be nice to only need to provide one package |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:24 +0200 | <monochrom> | s/incompatibility/incompatible/ |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:39 +0200 | <monochrom> | So now you have to explain why Rust is behind Python. :) |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:42 +0200 | <jackdk> | At least we have nix now |
| 2023-07-03 07:45:47 +0200 | <probie> | I've got Go code I've written 5+ years ago that "just works" |
| 2023-07-03 07:46:11 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Yes, good tooling can make things worse |
| 2023-07-03 07:46:20 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Go had no good tooling for a long time |
| 2023-07-03 07:46:36 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | So people just went paranoid over breaking API |
| 2023-07-03 07:46:51 +0200 | <probie> | It had great tooling, and then they ruined it by adding modules :p |
| 2023-07-03 07:47:31 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | jackdk: nix is harmful for security |
| 2023-07-03 07:47:49 +0200 | <monochrom> | I am cynical and I attribute it to brute shear raw economics. |
| 2023-07-03 07:48:50 +0200 | <monochrom> | Python has more instant gratification therefore attracts more people therefore stable libs or not there are more than enough people to fix things and there are more than enough people to move fast break often. |
| 2023-07-03 07:49:08 +0200 | <monochrom> | Simply more minions to sustain churn. |
| 2023-07-03 07:49:24 +0200 | <arahael> | maerwald[m]: I have to agree, I could not find much in the way of selinux and stuff. Too much magic, too - nix is like, one *massive* program. |
| 2023-07-03 07:49:29 +0200 | <monochrom> | Rust and Haskell are less attractive therefore stable libs or not they stay behind. |
| 2023-07-03 07:49:50 +0200 | <probie> | Jokes aside, between the standard library's backwards compatibility guarantee and `go vendor` it's easy to have source that you can reasonably expect to compile with later versions of the compiler |
| 2023-07-03 07:51:09 +0200 | <monochrom> | OTOH IMO Haskell does not need to enter the popularity contest. |
| 2023-07-03 07:51:18 +0200 | <monochrom> | Stay focused, do FP and do it well. |
| 2023-07-03 07:51:41 +0200 | <monochrom> | Do not fantasize that attracting more people means more people adopt FP. |
| 2023-07-03 07:52:13 +0200 | <glguy> | My experience with Go was that people vendored things which means stuff works after years because no updates occur |
| 2023-07-03 07:52:16 +0200 | <monochrom> | No, it is the other way round. Attracting more people means Haskell has to suck up to their simpleton agendas such as giving up on FP. |
| 2023-07-03 07:53:00 +0200 | <monochrom> | For example just look at record dot syntax. |
| 2023-07-03 07:53:20 +0200 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.218) |
| 2023-07-03 07:53:55 +0200 | <probie> | glguy: There's no need to update a finished product (just hope that there aren't security issues) |
| 2023-07-03 07:54:36 +0200 | <glguy> | Yeah, the trick is just to have no bugs in your code or any dependency |
| 2023-07-03 07:55:31 +0200 | <monochrom> | No, the trick is to accept that software is not finished product. :) |
| 2023-07-03 07:56:08 +0200 | <glguy> | Once the check clears, what's left to do? |
| 2023-07-03 07:56:10 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | arahael: not just that... the idea of pinning dependencies and reproducible builds stands in conflict with practical software security, which demands always being as up to date as possible |
| 2023-07-03 07:57:12 +0200 | <arahael> | maerwald[m]: That can be mitigated with a warning system, at least, there's certainly sufficient metadata in the system for that. They just... Don't... |
| 2023-07-03 07:57:24 +0200 | <monochrom> | One should ask "who has time to maintain multiple versions?" and then it's shear raw economics again. |
| 2023-07-03 07:57:37 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Yes, yeu can do it, but no one does ans the system doesn't nudge you to do it |
| 2023-07-03 07:57:44 +0200 | shiraeeshi | (~shiraeesh@46.42.244.46) |
| 2023-07-03 07:58:34 +0200 | <arahael> | Which is unfortunate. A full 'security scan' after installing any application (and again every day) should be a minimum. |
| 2023-07-03 07:58:48 +0200 | <arahael> | I couldn't even find out how to use selinux and the like in a nix system. |
| 2023-07-03 07:59:44 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | And an ecosystem constantly breaking API causes end users to pin dependencies more aggressively, which in turn harms security properties |
| 2023-07-03 08:00:13 +0200 | <arahael> | Yeah. |
| 2023-07-03 08:00:50 +0200 | <arahael> | Don't get me wrong, nix has some great points, but yeah, this is not one of them, and they don't seem to be taking significant steps to patching the security issues. Plus, I find nix *seriously complex*. |
| 2023-07-03 08:02:01 +0200 | <monochrom> | Generally any name ending with "x" refers to complex things. Even when starting with "simple". complex, simplex, unix, nix. :) |
| 2023-07-03 08:03:48 +0200 | <arahael> | That... Checks out. |
| 2023-07-03 08:04:07 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) |
| 2023-07-03 08:04:14 +0200 | <probie> | LaTeX? |
| 2023-07-03 08:05:04 +0200 | <monochrom> | Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most complex of them all? nix or latex? :) |
| 2023-07-03 08:05:41 +0200 | <monochrom> | "Why not both?" :) |
| 2023-07-03 08:06:58 +0200 | johnw | (~johnw@69.62.207.57) |
| 2023-07-03 08:08:35 +0200 | <glguy> | I think a different part of the problem is that it's so easy to pull in libraries in Haskell. My C projects depend on something like 0-2 other libraries with basically no transitions deps. Things in rust or Haskell will pull in over 100 without trying. That's a much greater surface area |
| 2023-07-03 08:08:41 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Comparing LaTeX with nix is interesting |
| 2023-07-03 08:08:49 +0200 | <glguy> | Transitive* |
| 2023-07-03 08:09:16 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | High expressivity and terrible ergonomics describes both. |
| 2023-07-03 08:10:20 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Ergonomics is undervalued. But it decides how much energy developers invest in certain things and problems |
| 2023-07-03 08:10:36 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Maintaining PVP bounds is unergonomic |
| 2023-07-03 08:10:39 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | So no one does |
| 2023-07-03 08:10:58 +0200 | <monochrom> | This may just go back to: no tooling = no dependency issues :) |
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| 2023-07-03 08:15:34 +0200 | <glguy> | On the topic of the language helping with versioning, there are versioned symbols. I haven't knowingly used them in C enough to know how good it bad an idea that is to explore |
| 2023-07-03 08:15:41 +0200 | <maerwald[m]> | Yes... bad ergonomics in some areas can have accidental good effects |
| 2023-07-03 08:16:51 +0200 | <glguy> | But that seems relevant to enabling maintaining multiple versions of API without having to maintain multiple branches |
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| 2023-07-03 13:02:04 +0200 | <nyc> | I'm hearing -ppr-debug may print uniques in the STG dumps in order to help correlate the STG with the ticky ticky profile. |
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| 2023-07-03 14:11:52 +0200 | <dminuoso_> | Why is GHC so repetitive with telling me that postgresql-simple is a member of a hidden package? https://gist.github.com/dminuoso/af001f9ab5482f9ed73292779891b018 |
| 2023-07-03 14:16:32 +0200 | <merijn> | dminuoso_: you have a billion different versions of it |
| 2023-07-03 14:16:50 +0200 | <merijn> | dminuoso_: it just scans the store for matching packages, and reports each one |
| 2023-07-03 14:17:17 +0200 | <merijn> | so if you store has a billion different versions, it reports each |
| 2023-07-03 14:17:36 +0200 | <dminuoso_> | Ah indeed, good catch. |
| 2023-07-03 14:17:49 +0200 | <dminuoso_> | I didnt even notice there was both 0.6.4 and 0.6.5 in that list. |
| 2023-07-03 14:17:52 +0200 | <dminuoso_> | Thanks |
| 2023-07-03 14:18:59 +0200 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84-53-85-146.bbserv.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 14:19:29 +0200 | <merijn> | I'm guessing you haven't cleared the store in a while, while repeatedly upgrading transitive dependencies of postgres-simple |
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| 2023-07-03 16:54:27 +0200 | ddellacosta | (~ddellacos@143.244.47.76) |
| 2023-07-03 16:55:27 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | Hello how do I use a function that returns Maybe in IO? |
| 2023-07-03 16:55:28 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/qFPfjmtQ |
| 2023-07-03 16:55:32 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | like why does this not work? |
| 2023-07-03 16:56:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | because `<-` there requires something in `IO`. use `let` instead |
| 2023-07-03 16:56:45 +0200 | titibandit | (~titibandi@user/titibandit) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2023-07-03 16:57:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and I strongly suggest you learn how `do` notation desugars to `>>=`, so you will understand why `<-` will not work there |
| 2023-07-03 16:57:27 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | oh ok |
| 2023-07-03 16:57:28 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | tahnks |
| 2023-07-03 16:57:48 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) |
| 2023-07-03 16:58:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | @where iotut |
| 2023-07-03 16:58:00 +0200 | <lambdabot> | https://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/IO.xhtml |
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| 2023-07-03 17:16:22 +0200 | <hackyhacker> | thank you for that resource |
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| 2023-07-03 19:58:45 +0200 | <zwron29> | ho |
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| 2023-07-03 20:02:07 +0200 | <ski> | lo |
| 2023-07-03 20:02:20 +0200 | <zwron29> | >/ |
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| 2023-07-03 21:27:56 +0200 | <bontaq> | )) |
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| 2023-07-03 21:35:43 +0200 | <Athas> | So, what's the current state-of-the-art of building statically linked Haskell programs with Nix? |
| 2023-07-03 21:35:47 +0200 | ShalokShalom | (~ShalokSha@17-14-5.cgnat.fonira.net) |
| 2023-07-03 21:35:56 +0200 | <Athas> | I currently have a setup that works reasonably well with a statically linked glibc, but I always wondered whether musl would be better. I never could figure out the necessary Nix magic. |
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| 2023-07-03 22:19:41 +0200 | <janus> | how do you statically link glibc? i thought that was not possible due to DNS |
| 2023-07-03 22:20:09 +0200 | <probie> | A statically linked glibc isn't as statically linked as you might hope. A call to something like `getaddrinfo` is going to make it try and dlopen a bunch of things |
| 2023-07-03 22:21:45 +0200 | <sm> | we need a zig generator for ghc |
| 2023-07-03 22:22:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | right, you can "statically link" glibc but you have to provide the matching NSS and locale shared objects at runtime |
| 2023-07-03 22:23:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and because their interfaces are not part of the public ABI you get zero promises if you give it ones from a different glibc |
| 2023-07-03 22:25:24 +0200 | <probie> | geekosaur: and the matching glibc at run time, because those shared objects will want to dynamically link against libc.so.6 |
| 2023-07-03 22:25:42 +0200 | <EvanR> | statically link the linux kernel with your app |
| 2023-07-03 22:26:46 +0200 | <EvanR> | and bundle it with vmware |
| 2023-07-03 22:28:24 +0200 | <juri_> | or don't. |
| 2023-07-03 22:31:52 +0200 | <monochrom> | Ship the whole computer, hardware plus software. |
| 2023-07-03 22:32:05 +0200 | <monochrom> | Now that's what you call a finished product. >:) |
| 2023-07-03 22:32:15 +0200 | <[exa]> | and power plant |
| 2023-07-03 22:32:24 +0200 | <darkling> | Don't forget the pocket universe to ensure that the physics don't change under it. :) |
| 2023-07-03 22:35:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | good call |
| 2023-07-03 22:37:55 +0200 | hugo | (znc@verdigris.lysator.liu.se) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 22:38:39 +0200 | bgs | (~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2023-07-03 22:38:53 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | EvanR: I am currently working with software that, I kid you not, ships not only with libc.so and libc++.so, but also with a ld-linkx-x86-64.so -- i.e. a loader |
| 2023-07-03 22:39:03 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | they want to keep it closed-source quite badly |
| 2023-07-03 22:39:04 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2023-07-03 22:39:05 +0200 | `2jt | (~jtomas@90.162.208.36) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2023-07-03 22:39:22 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | *ld-linux-x86-64.so |
| 2023-07-03 22:40:48 +0200 | <monochrom> | Like games on Windows shipping with their own DirectX :) |
| 2023-07-03 22:41:32 +0200 | <EvanR> | donut steel our code! |
| 2023-07-03 22:43:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: kinda |
| 2023-07-03 22:44:08 +0200 | Rydwxz_ | (~rw@cpe-75-82-51-90.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: leaving) |
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| 2023-07-03 23:01:06 +0200 | <Athas> | janus: you just do it. I don't need DNS. |
| 2023-07-03 23:01:10 +0200 | <Athas> | It has worked fine. |
| 2023-07-03 23:01:45 +0200 | <Athas> | But since everybody says it doesn't work, I suppose I should try something that supposedly does work. |
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| 2023-07-03 23:17:17 +0200 | <int-e> | monochrom: "Ship the whole computer" - you've just described a smart phone, an electric (and modern non-electric) cars, some fridges, smart TVs... and that's just consumer products |
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| 2023-07-03 23:43:15 +0200 | <mtjm> | I have a half-put-together library that provides optics for the time library, is this something that people would be interested in using? |
| 2023-07-03 23:43:17 +0200 | <mtjm> | https://github.com/mutantmell/time-optics |
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