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2023-04-15 01:08:16 +0000 <Nosrep> ein ghc core i see case expressions are like case something1 of something2 {
2023-04-15 01:08:21 +0000 <Nosrep> what is something2
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2023-04-15 01:15:58 +0000 <monochrom> I don't really know. I have always assumed that it's an alias of something1 without trouble.
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2023-04-15 01:26:37 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, case is always strict and binds the result of evaluating something1 to something2
2023-04-15 01:26:47 +0000 <geekosaur> (in core, as opposed to haskell)
2023-04-15 01:30:45 +0000 <Nosrep> so something2 is just the evaluated version of something1?
2023-04-15 01:30:51 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2023-04-15 01:31:30 +0000 <geekosaur> in ordinary haskell, case is as strict as the patterns are, so case foo of {bar -> …} doesn't evaluate anything. in core it always evaluates to WHNF
2023-04-15 01:31:31 +0000 <c_wraith> in fact, they're most likely to even be the same thunk. core is just avoiding shadowing
2023-04-15 01:32:26 +0000 <Nosrep> aight thanks
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2023-04-15 11:16:18 +0000 <carbolymer> I'm wondering how can I write parser (in megaparsec) doing "ignore everything" then "capture interesting part" then "ignore everything". I'm trying to get current boot loader from: https://volumen.civitat.es/AggressiveElegantOcean - so my first idea is to `try currentBootLoaderP <|> everythingWithoutNewlineP` every line
2023-04-15 11:16:33 +0000 <carbolymer> any better options?
2023-04-15 11:25:08 +0000 <ncf> i'd advise against trying to parse command output that's meant for humans
2023-04-15 11:25:54 +0000 <ncf> maybe read from /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderInfo-* directly?
2023-04-15 11:32:10 +0000 <carbolymer> fair point
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2023-04-15 12:16:05 +0000 <ncf> is there a shortcut for \ a -> getConst . a . fmap Const :: (f (Const a b) -> Const a b) -> f a -> a ? coerce complains about f being nominal
2023-04-15 12:19:36 +0000 <ncf> er, about the argument to f being nominal
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2023-04-15 12:20:03 +0000 <ncf> i want it to treat it as representational
2023-04-15 12:21:21 +0000 <ncf> hm https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39522041/how-to-coerce-functors-applied-to-coercible-arguments
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2023-04-15 16:30:08 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> What exactly is wrong here? When I run `parseTest foo "abc"` in ghci it does not terminate and with every character I write in the terminal my memory blows up exponentially ....... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7739d8153d07028b41e66f0b6247a0ff1ee2…>)
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2023-04-15 16:39:57 +0000 <monochrom> What do I import to get alphaNumChar?
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2023-04-15 16:41:03 +0000 <int-e> @hoogle alphaNumChar
2023-04-15 16:41:04 +0000 <lambdabot> Text.Megaparsec.Byte alphaNumChar :: (MonadParsec e s m, Token s ~ Word8) => m (Token s)
2023-04-15 16:41:04 +0000 <lambdabot> Text.Megaparsec.Char alphaNumChar :: (MonadParsec e s m, Token s ~ Char) => m (Token s)
2023-04-15 16:41:04 +0000 <lambdabot> Toml.Parser.Core alphaNumChar :: (MonadParsec e s m, Token s ~ Char) => m (Token s)
2023-04-15 16:41:54 +0000 <monochrom> But I am reproducing (or refuting) hopelessness[m]'s observation and it needs to be exactly what they used.
2023-04-15 16:41:57 +0000 <int-e> (Maybe that should reply with an URL instead if the output is longer than 3 lines)
2023-04-15 16:43:02 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: I missed the context as usual.
2023-04-15 16:43:14 +0000 <int-e> Pasting code without imports is such bad style.
2023-04-15 16:43:32 +0000 <sm> hopelessness: yikes
2023-04-15 16:44:10 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah I already have to conjure up 4 import lines pro bono.
2023-04-15 16:44:27 +0000 <hpc> this is why whenever i post code, i make sure to include some extra imports just in case :D
2023-04-15 16:44:27 +0000 <sm> well, I think many of many will break most parsers.. (I seem to remember an error message.. from megaparsec ?) Try making one of them many1 ?
2023-04-15 16:44:53 +0000 <int-e> Well, there are infinitely many potential results... but it should pick the first one greedily? So ["abc"]?
2023-04-15 16:45:45 +0000 <sm> apparently that's not what parseTest does :)
2023-04-15 16:46:09 +0000 <monochrom> No, apparently none of us has actually tested the code.
2023-04-15 16:46:34 +0000 <hpc> hopelessness[m]: can you paste the full file, or whatever you're putting into ghci?
2023-04-15 16:46:39 +0000 <monochrom> Even I am still one import away from actually making a live observation.
2023-04-15 16:46:47 +0000 <monochrom> Not going to theorize until then.
2023-04-15 16:47:02 +0000 <int-e> Oh yes, I'm absolutely speculating here.
2023-04-15 16:47:40 +0000 <int-e> I mean, do we even know which parsec variant this is about?
2023-04-15 16:47:44 +0000 <hpc> nope
2023-04-15 16:48:32 +0000 <hpc> i mean, it's almost certainly a many.many issue though - this happens with naive implementations of (.*)* in regexes too
2023-04-15 16:48:39 +0000 <monochrom> "I have got a solution from stackoverflow".
2023-04-15 16:48:52 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: now you have 2 problems
2023-04-15 16:49:12 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: "I have got a solution from GPT-4"
2023-04-15 16:49:23 +0000 <monochrom> haha forgot that one
2023-04-15 16:49:44 +0000 <hpc> "i typed your symptoms into this thing and it said you have network connectivity problems"
2023-04-15 16:51:51 +0000hopelessness[m]sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/367cc6b691de3b768436eb8cb5a5829b7f77…
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2023-04-15 16:52:05 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/f3a5f1c083fbb2d70ab57fc456ea1e2e104a…>)
2023-04-15 16:52:53 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> ghci> :set -XOverloadedStrings
2023-04-15 16:52:53 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> ghci> parseTest parser "abcdsfds dsfdsfö"
2023-04-15 16:53:19 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> This should be everything in more detail
2023-04-15 16:54:16 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/8af6b66890a58fbfeafdde0950ff829e113a…>)
2023-04-15 16:56:31 +0000 <int-e> Fascinating. *** Exception: Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec.Prim.many: combinator 'many' is applied to a parser that accepts an empty string.
2023-04-15 16:57:19 +0000hopelessness[m]uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/NasqoKTOrjvmxDFJoJPMkVNa/image.png >
2023-04-15 16:57:20 +0000 <int-e> Oh, I'm an idiot. Rather than ["abc"], the greedy result will of course be ["abc","","","",...]
2023-04-15 16:57:30 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> ah
2023-04-15 16:57:30 +0000 <int-e> And *that* will never terminate.
2023-04-15 16:57:32 +0000 <probie> Don't you want `some`? Allowing empty string as function names seems incorrect in pretty much all cases
2023-04-15 16:57:46 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> ah yes
2023-04-15 16:58:03 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> yeah, this solves everything
2023-04-15 16:58:10 +0000 <hopelessness[m]> thanks
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2023-04-15 17:04:40 +0000 <sm> how come hopelessness didn't see the megaparsec error int-e saw
2023-04-15 17:05:15 +0000 <int-e> sm: because that wasn't a megaparsec error
2023-04-15 17:05:39 +0000 <int-e> that was parsec
2023-04-15 17:06:39 +0000Square(~Square4@user/square)
2023-04-15 17:06:45 +0000 <int-e> And I was genuinely surprised that it implements that check.
2023-04-15 17:07:09 +0000 <sm> I feel like I'm not seeing the whole chat log.. I see, thanks
2023-04-15 17:07:19 +0000ddellacosta(~ddellacos@143.244.47.70)
2023-04-15 17:07:40 +0000 <int-e> (Of course that means that it implements `many` specifically for its parser rather than generically at the applicative or monadic level)
2023-04-15 17:08:07 +0000 <int-e> sm: I didn't mention that it was parsec; the only hint was the module name.
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2023-04-15 17:09:32 +0000 <sm> where did you see a module name ?
2023-04-15 17:09:44 +0000 <int-e> sm: it's part of the error message?
2023-04-15 17:10:33 +0000 <sm> I see it in the error message you pasted, only.. ah never mind, this is not important :)
2023-04-15 17:10:49 +0000 <int-e> sm: Yes, and it was *only* there.
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2023-04-15 17:13:00 +0000 <int-e> Anyway, it was a good thing for me to try parsec, because it made me reconsider why accepting empty strings inside `many` is fatal.
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2023-04-15 19:09:40 +0000 <dsal> Is there a way to get ghc to emit a useful error if someone tries to use a function I want to remove?
2023-04-15 19:09:53 +0000 <dsal> I guess I can just do a normal deprecation.
2023-04-15 19:12:49 +0000 <geekosaur> hoonestly, it seems like the answer to that is "just remove it"
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2023-04-15 19:34:18 +0000 <dsal> Yeah. This is functionality that I want to exist but can't make work for non-technical reasons. deprecate + throw is kind of passive aggressive, but removing isn't wrong.
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2023-04-15 19:50:29 +0000 <int-e> there's a DEPRECATED pragma in GHC.
2023-04-15 19:50:47 +0000 <geekosaur> yes but he wants a custom error not a warning
2023-04-15 19:51:13 +0000 <geekosaur> and while `-Werror=…` is a thing he can't turn it on for all users linking against the package
2023-04-15 19:51:15 +0000 <int-e> Ah, error.
2023-04-15 19:51:46 +0000 <int-e> How do you link against the package without compiling first, hmm.
2023-04-15 19:51:54 +0000 <geekosaur> I'd suspect there's some TH thing that could be done, but the question becomes whether it's wort it
2023-04-15 19:51:57 +0000 <int-e> (In a world with no ABI stability.)
2023-04-15 19:52:14 +0000 <geekosaur> *worth
2023-04-15 19:52:33 +0000 <int-e> I don't see how you'd inject TH there.
2023-04-15 19:52:50 +0000 <int-e> (For a simple use of an exported identifier that is.)
2023-04-15 19:53:40 +0000 <geekosaur> depends on how TH + INLINEABLE interacts with .hi files, I guess
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2023-04-15 19:54:22 +0000 <int-e> A rewrite rule, perhaps? I've never tried to put TH there... I don't think it'll work though because TH expansion happens way before the simplifier runs.
2023-04-15 19:55:00 +0000 <int-e> And rewrite rules depend on -O.
2023-04-15 19:55:33 +0000 <int-e> I think the DEPRECATED pragma is the best GHC has to offer for this.
2023-04-15 19:55:49 +0000 <int-e> Other than, as suggested, removing the function entirely.
2023-04-15 19:55:53 +0000ix(~ix@2a02:8012:281f:0:d65d:64ff:fe52:5efe)
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2023-04-15 19:58:31 +0000 <int-e> hah... how about over-engineering it with annotations and a compiler plugin :-P
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2023-04-15 20:00:29 +0000 <mauke> what happens if you give it a type like foo :: (ThisFunctionIsDeprecatedDoNotUseIt doNotUse) => doNotUse
2023-04-15 20:01:19 +0000vglfr(~vglfr@37.73.81.145)
2023-04-15 20:01:44 +0000 <mauke> ... error message engineering? what is this, C++?
2023-04-15 20:02:33 +0000 <tomsmeding> foo :: TypeError (Text "Do not use this function for non-technical reasons") => ()
2023-04-15 20:02:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.16.0.0/docs/GHC-TypeLits.html#g:4
2023-04-15 20:03:08 +0000 <tomsmeding> dsal mauke: ^
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2023-04-15 20:04:17 +0000 <mauke> hah
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2023-04-15 20:05:24 +0000 <geekosaur> heh, I know about TypeError but never considered using it that way
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2023-04-15 20:11:37 +0000 <dsal> That's actually the kind of thing I was thinking about,yeah.
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2023-04-15 20:15:16 +0000 <int-e> that is clever
2023-04-15 20:15:48 +0000 <int-e> it won't work 100% of the time (imagine a local, unused binding, without a type signature)
2023-04-15 20:16:05 +0000trev(~trev@user/trev) (Quit: trev)
2023-04-15 20:16:15 +0000 <int-e> or code with no type signatures (*shudder*)
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