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2021-10-29 05:33:13 +0000 <Solid> liskin: that's great news! /o/
2021-10-29 05:34:54 +0000 <Solid> I was also expecting more of a reaction to the release, but I think it's that everyone who builds with stack/nix/or similar was already using git anyways (because it's so easy) and everyone who relies on distro packages has simply not had a chance to try it out :)
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2021-10-29 07:01:53 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> I think you are right since that's what I noticed when I was searching for xmonad overlay
2021-10-29 07:02:07 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> Wish there was a hydra build for git though, that would've certainly speed things up a lot
2021-10-29 07:06:28 +0000 <Solid> mh I wonder why we do this https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/src/XMonad/Operations.hs#L257
2021-10-29 07:07:05 +0000 <Solid> we catch the exception thrown by getWindowAttributes and then... print it to stdout in the same way it would be if we didn't catch it
2021-10-29 07:07:27 +0000 <Solid> s/stdout/stderr/
2021-10-29 07:07:45 +0000 <Solid> that seems rather unintuitive (and, indeed, I don't see why we would write to stderr at all, since we have something useful to do if we catch it)
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2021-10-29 07:14:19 +0000 <jason> hello
2021-10-29 07:14:25 +0000 <jason> xmonad users
2021-10-29 07:16:04 +0000 <Solid> hi, xmonad user :)
2021-10-29 07:16:52 +0000 <liskin> Solid: what useful thing would you do instead of printing?
2021-10-29 07:17:18 +0000 <Solid> liskin: there is a default value we give back already; why print it at all?
2021-10-29 07:17:34 +0000 <liskin> I see
2021-10-29 07:18:50 +0000 <liskin> Well my local fork carries https://github.com/liskin/xmonad/commit/d084b381c414427abb77a819025a6e7ddfe0b3b7 for months :-)
2021-10-29 07:19:14 +0000 <liskin> But I never felt confident to take that upstream
2021-10-29 07:19:28 +0000 <Solid> hah
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2021-10-29 07:21:12 +0000 <Solid> I was quite surprised to see that we don't refresh the window list after sending a DestroyWindowEvent
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2021-10-29 08:43:18 +0000 <Solid> liskin: I'll also bump the stackage resolver of xmonad to 18.14, if you don't mind
2021-10-29 08:55:29 +0000 <liskin> Yeah, forgot that one. X11 too probably if anyone cares.
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2021-10-29 09:00:43 +0000Soliddoes not :)
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2021-10-29 10:18:19 +0000 <geekosaur> Solid, one reason might be left over debugging; some time back getWindowAttributes was changed to throw an exception and we originally missed updating some calls, leading to occasional crashes
2021-10-29 10:18:42 +0000 <geekosaur> plus, well, why we made that change in the first place
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2021-10-29 13:23:35 +0000 <Solid> ah, that was probably this one https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/146
2021-10-29 13:36:34 +0000 <geekosaur> that actually came afterward, I think.
2021-10-29 13:37:07 +0000 <geekosaur> the background there is that the X11 wrappers often didn't check for NULL returns and coredumped if they got them
2021-10-29 13:37:20 +0000 <geekosaur> we may still have a few of those around
2021-10-29 13:37:42 +0000 <geekosaur> so getWindowAttributes was changed to check for nullPtr and throw a proper exception
2021-10-29 13:40:26 +0000 <geekosaur> which changed rare core dumps (usually we got garbage instead of what we wanted) into not so rare exceptions, thus the changes to catch getWindowAttributes exceptions afterward
2021-10-29 13:52:38 +0000 <Solid> most of these calls look pretty easy to replace
2021-10-29 13:53:14 +0000 <Solid> except the ones that happen in layouts; no good "default case" in case of an exception there :/
2021-10-29 13:54:33 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, you pretty much have to let those happen and be caught and the layout stuff itself will thereby default to Full aka instance LayoutClass Full where {}
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2021-10-29 14:19:50 +0000 <Solid> oh will it? that's nice at least
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2021-10-29 16:07:21 +0000 <geekosaur> 9.2.1. let the bug hunts begin!
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2021-10-29 16:13:02 +0000geekosaurfigures he'll wait for another point release, just in case
2021-10-29 16:14:06 +0000 <geekosaur> and look, another backer!
2021-10-29 16:14:52 +0000liskinis still on 8.8, because Debian :-/
2021-10-29 16:15:07 +0000 <liskin> but I'll probably add 9.2 to the CI
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2021-10-29 17:24:40 +0000 <liskin> hm, I guess it's a bit early
2021-10-29 17:24:54 +0000 <liskin> haskell-ci does have a PR for GHC 9.2, but ghcup won't install it
2021-10-29 17:25:02 +0000 <liskin> well at least I'm ready
2021-10-29 17:25:11 +0000 <Solid> yeah I'd give it another one or two months
2021-10-29 17:25:26 +0000 <Solid> I feel like a lot of tooling still hasn't caught up to 9.0 even
2021-10-29 17:27:39 +0000 <geekosaur> well, a lot of folks have been giving 9.0 a miss because it's so buggy. 9.2.1 is supposed to be the bugfix release
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2021-10-29 22:46:17 +0000 <liskin> oh well, all deps build just fine with 9.2.1, but xmonad doesn't: https://github.com/liskin/xmonad/runs/4051913163?check_suite_focus=true
2021-10-29 22:46:57 +0000 <liskin> a bunch of Pattern match(es) are non-exhaustive because we do let (x:xs) = something which ghc doesn't know isn't []
2021-10-29 22:48:13 +0000 <L29Ah> but there's no 9.2.1
2021-10-29 22:48:25 +0000 <liskin> is there not?
2021-10-29 22:48:52 +0000 <L29Ah> https://www.haskell.org/ghc/download.html yes
2021-10-29 22:49:35 +0000 <liskin> well, some projects like to post announcement only after everything's really released :-D
2021-10-29 22:50:11 +0000 <liskin> as opposed to us, who first post the announcment and only then try to do the release
2021-10-29 22:50:41 +0000 <liskin> but according to Ben's twitter and Ben's post to the Haskell Discourse, it's been out for a few hours
2021-10-29 22:51:30 +0000 <geekosaur> also the email to haskell-cafe
2021-10-29 22:51:48 +0000 <geekosaur> probably the downloads page is having a caching issue again
2021-10-29 22:55:02 +0000 <geekosaur> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/9.2.1
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2021-10-29 22:57:13 +0000 <geekosaur> or someone just forgot to update it; it seems to not be on their release checklist and they keep forgetting to do it manually
2021-10-29 22:57:48 +0000 <liskin> someone already reported it to the discourse thread so I'm sure it'll be taken care of later
2021-10-29 23:11:04 +0000 <liskin> hm, but isn't it a bit weird that these warnings appeared now? the 9.0.1 release notes say "The revamp of the pattern-match coverage checker that started in 8.10 concludes with this release" and the 9.2.1 release notes don't talk about this at all
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