| 2024-04-19 00:04:53 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
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| 2024-04-19 00:44:01 +0200 | <duncan> | specifically though APL's thing is arrays, is Clojure designed around arrays in the same way? |
| 2024-04-19 00:44:33 +0200 | <duncan> | you can call a lot of things 'data-based', but it's sort of selling APL short if you have to generalise it… |
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| 2024-04-19 00:45:26 +0200 | int-e | (~noone@int-e.eu) |
| 2024-04-19 00:45:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Clojure's designed around hashes, no? |
| 2024-04-19 00:49:07 +0200 | <monochrom> | This is just both left wing people and right wing people claiming they are about freedom and/or liberty all over again. |
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| 2024-04-19 01:15:40 +0200 | <sm> | @where+ static-musl-build-posts https://www.extrema.is/blog/2022/03/24/ghc-musl-part-1 |
| 2024-04-19 01:15:41 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Nice! |
| 2024-04-19 01:18:15 +0200 | <probie> | geekosaur: when you say "designed around hashes" do you mean actual hashes, or do you mean maps/dictionaries/associative arrays/etc.? |
| 2024-04-19 01:18:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the latter |
| 2024-04-19 01:20:16 +0200 | nullobject | (~josh@user/nullobject) |
| 2024-04-19 01:21:55 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I think clojure tends towards HAMTs. But really, what's the difference? |
| 2024-04-19 01:24:51 +0200 | TonyStone | (~TonyStone@user/TonyStone) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-04-19 01:26:15 +0200 | <probie> | c_wraith: one is a number produced by a hashing function, and the other is a collection, and I'll never forgive Ruby for popularising the name "hash" for "hashmaps" |
| 2024-04-19 01:26:52 +0200 | <c_wraith> | HAMTs absolutely use hashes. that's what the H stands for. |
| 2024-04-19 01:27:07 +0200 | <monochrom> | #hashtags |
| 2024-04-19 01:27:43 +0200 | <probie> | I think one of us might be misinterpreting the thread of conversation here |
| 2024-04-19 01:28:17 +0200 | <monochrom> | No, I'm just making dad jokes. |
| 2024-04-19 01:29:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | But Ruby does a lot of unforgivable things. |
| 2024-04-19 01:29:48 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:746b:6d2b:7905:31b8) |
| 2024-04-19 01:30:13 +0200 | <probie> | I wanted to know if geekosaur was asking about whether Clojure was designed around the "output of hashing functions" or whether it was designed some kind of associative array, because whilst I assumed he meant the latter, Clojure refers to them as maps, so I wanted to confirm |
| 2024-04-19 01:30:52 +0200 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) |
| 2024-04-19 01:31:24 +0200 | <probie> | s/designed some/designed around some/ |
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| 2024-04-19 01:31:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hashes, maps, associative arrays, whatever |
| 2024-04-19 01:32:42 +0200 | waldo | (~waldo@user/waldo) |
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| 2024-04-19 01:45:44 +0200 | <probie> | geekosaur: I'm not sure if this answers the question of whether clojure is designed around hashes, but; idiomatic clojure makes heavy use of maps, however, if you removed them, you'd still have a perfectly usable programming language (although some core macros and functions would need to change from taking maps to taking association lists as done in common lisp) |
| 2024-04-19 01:46:26 +0200 | <monochrom> | I think it's a good answer. |
| 2024-04-19 01:46:41 +0200 | yin | (~yin@user/zero) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-04-19 01:53:28 +0200 | <tcard> | @sm If you are looking into building static executables using Alpine/musl, you might want to check out https://gitlab.com/benz0li/ghc-musl , which is well maintained. |
| 2024-04-19 01:53:28 +0200 | lambdabot | puts on her slapping gloves, and slaps If you are looking into building static executables using Alpine/musl, you might want to check out https://gitlab.com/benz0li/ghc-musl , which is well |
| 2024-04-19 01:53:28 +0200 | <lambdabot> | maintained. |
| 2024-04-19 01:53:49 +0200 | <tcard> | (I have not had time to start contributing to this project yet, but I plan on doing so. My understanding is that Utku is deprecating his project in favor of this one.) |
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| 2024-04-19 01:55:32 +0200 | <masaeedu> | demon-cat: I can definitely relate. when it works out well, Haskell programming can be quite relaxing |
| 2024-04-19 01:55:35 +0200 | TonyStone | (~TonyStone@user/TonyStone) |
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| 2024-04-19 02:00:31 +0200 | <sm> | could lambdabot's owner please disable the smack feature ? I don't like seeing it every time someone @'s me. Is it mauke perhaps ? |
| 2024-04-19 02:01:13 +0200 | <sm> | tcard, thanks! And thanks for those great 2022 posts. |
| 2024-04-19 02:01:34 +0200 | <sm> | I had found both https://github.com/utdemir/ghc-musl and https://gitlab.com/benz0li/ghc-musl, but was mixing them up. |
| 2024-04-19 02:01:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | int-e |
| 2024-04-19 02:01:47 +0200 | <sm> | how about it int-e ? |
| 2024-04-19 02:02:00 +0200 | tcard | bows |
| 2024-04-19 02:02:25 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-04-19 02:03:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I don't recall off the top of my head which plugin @slap comes from |
| 2024-04-19 02:03:57 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) |
| 2024-04-19 02:03:59 +0200 | <tcard> | https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/master/lambdabot-novelty-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/… |
| 2024-04-19 02:04:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yeh, just found that in my local source |
| 2024-04-19 02:05:20 +0200 | <sm> | I was fixing my static build yesterday and now I'm wondering: why does building static executables with stack seems to require a special docker image, or at least a special GHC build (+ Alpine); while cabal needs only a single command line flag (+ Alpine) ? Or is it that I'm cabal building with ghcup's ghc on Alpine, which has the same special sauce for musl ? |
| 2024-04-19 02:05:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I used to run an instance, and I have some actual command documentation sitting in a PR) |
| 2024-04-19 02:06:13 +0200 | <jackdk> | you cannot get true static builds using glibc, because even if you statically link against libc, glibc will want to dlopen stuff for e.g. nsswitch |
| 2024-04-19 02:06:55 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'm not sure that justifies a custom ghc though, glibc vs. musl should be a link time choice not a special compiler |
| 2024-04-19 02:07:02 +0200 | <sm> | jackdk: yes, that's why alpine is used |
| 2024-04-19 02:07:28 +0200 | <tcard> | If building on Alpine, you can indeed create static executables directly. Stack's docker support just makes it easy to do so using an Apline container from distributions that are not musl-based. |
| 2024-04-19 02:08:14 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) |
| 2024-04-19 02:13:37 +0200 | <tcard> | Official Alpine builds of GHC have unfortunately not worked for a while, though. I have not had time to work on this recently, but the issue I have bookmarked (https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/22237) is still open. Olivier's project works great because it builds GHC from source, and I think he might be using the gold linker if I remember correctly. |
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| 2024-04-19 02:46:59 +0200 | <sm> | tcard: I am guessing maerwald's ghcup is providing a fixed ghc on alpine. It seems to work for me at least |
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| 2024-04-19 03:07:16 +0200 | <tcard> | That is great news! I see that ghcup installs unofficial builds (from https://downloads.haskell.org/ghcup/unofficial-bindists/ghc/) for recent versions of GHC, but it still installs the broken official builds for older versions (such as 9.2.4). I will investigate further when I get a chance. |