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2026-06-22 00:13:13 +0000 <geekosaur> define "coherent"
2026-06-22 00:13:37 +0000 <geekosaur> I mean, the usual point of fundeps is to make it possible to use MPTCs without needing to specify the exact type everywhere, isn't it?
2026-06-22 00:16:09 +0000 <EvanR> ok so inference works with multiparameter typeclass? or so polymorphism works at all
2026-06-22 00:16:55 +0000 <geekosaur> inference, I think; it gives a hint as to the type it can't otherwise infer
2026-06-22 00:17:57 +0000 <EvanR> I'll have to try fundepless MPTC and see what's possible
2026-06-22 00:21:10 +0000 <monochrom> Consider "class Convert a b where convert :: a -> b". Then I can have "instance Convert Bool Int", "instance Convert Bool String", "instance Convert Int Bool", "instance Convert Int String", ... Nothing is inferrable, if I call "convert x" then someone must tell the compiler what's x's type and what's the codomain.
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2026-06-22 00:22:44 +0000 <EvanR> unless you call convert x in context where source and target type are known
2026-06-22 00:22:59 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-06-22 00:23:35 +0000 <monochrom> Whereas if I have "class Containership container element | container -> element" then an example instance will be "instance Containership [a] a" and when I call methods I only need to spell out the container type.
2026-06-22 00:24:23 +0000 <monochrom> which was exactly the use case back when Okasaki etc wrote data structure container libraries eg edison.
2026-06-22 00:25:17 +0000 <monochrom> Today people consider type families instead. class Container c where type Elem c
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2026-06-22 00:45:26 +0000 <schuelermine> GHC release notes mention that GHCi commands now work with “multiple home units”. What is a home unit?
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2026-06-22 00:58:35 +0000 <geekosaur> practically, a package
2026-06-22 00:58:53 +0000 <geekosaur> or, well
2026-06-22 00:59:19 +0000 <geekosaur> think of a cabal file. you can have multiple "components" in it (unnamed library, named libraries, executables, tests, benchmarks)
2026-06-22 00:59:27 +0000Axma39476(~Axman6@user/axman6) Axman6
2026-06-22 00:59:29 +0000 <geekosaur> each component is a home unit, in ghc parlance
2026-06-22 01:00:19 +0000 <geekosaur> ghci used to only supporting one such at a time, which made things difficult when debugging a package with a library and an executable, say
2026-06-22 01:00:50 +0000 <geekosaur> ghci got limited multiple home unit support some time back, just enough for HLS to be able to sanely work with such multi-component packages; as of 9.14 it now supports them fully
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2026-06-22 13:22:56 +0000 <jaror> If anyone has any opinion on warnings for punning (using the same name at both the term and type level), please have a look at: https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/765
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