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2026-05-29 00:26:22 +0000 <lisbeths> what is the meme term for someone who knows how to code algorithms without ai
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2026-05-29 00:40:35 +0000 <L29Ah> ask ai
2026-05-29 00:49:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 00:52:43 +0000 <jreicher> lisbeths: a programmer
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2026-05-29 02:19:59 +0000 <monochrom> savage programmer >:)
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2026-05-29 02:30:46 +0000 <lisbeths> savage programmer doesnt roll off the tongue
2026-05-29 02:31:08 +0000 <lisbeths> like "vibe coder" is very few syllables and has a comedic effect
2026-05-29 02:31:42 +0000 <monochrom> wet coder
2026-05-29 02:32:06 +0000 <monochrom> It's wetware vs water-cooled data centre now!
2026-05-29 02:33:52 +0000 <lisbeths> I think some people would find that inappropriate
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2026-05-29 03:45:34 +0000 <lisbeths> so se can call vibecoders smartcoders™. and we can call traditional coders dumbcoders™
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2026-05-29 04:16:46 +0000 <jreicher> You say tomato, I say tomato.
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2026-05-29 05:20:39 +0000 <fgarcia> i would like to call them based
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2026-05-29 09:45:23 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 10:13:37 +0000DetourNetworkUK(~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) DetourNetworkUK
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2026-05-29 10:15:53 +0000Guest43(~Guest43@p200300dcb74099006dfd8fe4903b01ed.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
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2026-05-29 10:42:07 +0000finsternis(~X@23.226.237.192) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-05-29 10:44:20 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:3035:6d8:f193:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2026-05-29 10:46:47 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 10:49:12 +0000dtman34_(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2026-05-29 10:49:33 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2026-05-29 10:51:40 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2026-05-29 11:02:01 +0000fun-safe-math(~fun-safe-@97.120.35.225) ()
2026-05-29 11:04:06 +0000fun-safe-math(~fun-safe-@97-120-35-225.ptld.qwest.net) fun-safe-math
2026-05-29 11:05:19 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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2026-05-29 11:31:01 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:3035:6d8:f193:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen
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2026-05-29 11:33:08 +0000Rembane(~Rembane@user/Rembane) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1)
2026-05-29 11:34:16 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 11:35:46 +0000Rembane(~Rembane@user/Rembane) Rembane
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2026-05-29 11:48:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 11:58:33 +0000jreicher(~joelr@user/jreicher) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2026-05-29 12:01:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 12:03:23 +0000nattkyrro(~serenity@user/nattkyrro) nattkyrro
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2026-05-29 12:17:11 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 12:40:06 +0000cipherrot(~jez@user/petrichor) (Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in)
2026-05-29 12:40:40 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:3030:e3:ccee:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen
2026-05-29 12:40:44 +0000Katarushisu64(~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net)
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2026-05-29 12:49:06 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn
2026-05-29 12:50:53 +0000rekahsoft(~rekahsoft@70.51.99.119) rekahsoft
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2026-05-29 13:34:00 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 13:41:38 +0000ft(~ft@p4fc2aedc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2026-05-29 13:43:34 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:3030:e3:ccee:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen
2026-05-29 13:44:55 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-05-29 13:49:22 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 14:17:28 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2026-05-29 14:19:11 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 14:22:12 +0000danza(~danza@user/danza) danza
2026-05-29 14:25:52 +0000emilym(~Thunderbi@user/emilym) emilym
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2026-05-29 15:04:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 15:10:02 +0000tnt1(~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) tnt1
2026-05-29 15:11:16 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:3558:4cf9:845f:f5e9) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-05-29 15:12:43 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:b15f:a188:70f5:85a4) synchromesh
2026-05-29 15:15:07 +0000marinelli(~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) marinelli
2026-05-29 15:19:45 +0000Icy-Thought(~user@user/icy-thought) icy-thought
2026-05-29 15:20:12 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 15:37:43 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2026-05-29 15:38:38 +0000Inline(~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.8 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/)
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2026-05-29 15:55:32 +0000Square2(~Square@user/square) Square
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2026-05-29 16:36:12 +0000sabino(~sabino@user/sabino) sabino
2026-05-29 16:38:50 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 16:41:51 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:3030:e3:ccee:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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2026-05-29 16:44:38 +0000m(~travltux@user/travltux) (Quit: WeeChat 4.7.2)
2026-05-29 16:47:22 +0000m(~travltux@user/travltux) travltux
2026-05-29 16:47:54 +0000target_i(~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i
2026-05-29 16:54:38 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 16:59:38 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:00:04 +0000sord937(~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937)
2026-05-29 17:00:13 +0000Inline(~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2026-05-29 17:06:25 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 17:08:18 +0000tnt1(~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:11:16 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:13:49 +0000tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
2026-05-29 17:14:06 +0000 <Guest43> What are the best practices in a Yesod project with respect to sensitive data like OIDC "client secret" or "client ID"? Should I put an entry like `github-oauth-client-id: "_env:GITHUB_OAUTH_CLIENT_ID:required"` in "config/settings.yml" with a dummy default value ("required" in this case) or should I read them via `getEnv` in `makeFoundation`?
2026-05-29 17:16:40 +0000ec_(~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:22:11 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-05-29 17:38:44 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 17:45:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:48:07 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:48:55 +0000euphores(~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Quit: Leaving.)
2026-05-29 17:49:59 +0000ricardomaps(~ricardoma@2804:14d:a040:81ea:379b:851a:a4f7:af2)
2026-05-29 17:55:30 +0000sabino(~sabino@user/sabino) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2026-05-29 17:56:48 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 18:01:55 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2026-05-29 18:02:51 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-05-29 18:08:38 +0000euphores(~SASL_euph@user/euphores) euphores
2026-05-29 18:22:53 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 18:23:04 +0000 <yin> is hoogle down?
2026-05-29 18:23:59 +0000emilym(~Thunderbi@user/emilym) emilym
2026-05-29 18:26:37 +0000 <int-e> seems fine to me
2026-05-29 18:27:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2026-05-29 18:28:25 +0000emilym(~Thunderbi@user/emilym) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2026-05-29 18:31:03 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2026-05-29 18:33:21 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-05-29 18:38:19 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 18:41:19 +0000sabino(~sabino@user/sabino) sabino
2026-05-29 18:42:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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2026-05-29 18:46:03 +0000chele(~chele@user/chele) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-05-29 18:54:09 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 18:54:21 +0000Guest36(~Guest43@p200300dcb74099005424e44ccbbb78bd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2026-05-29 18:59:09 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2026-05-29 18:59:10 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
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2026-05-29 19:08:27 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 19:09:35 +0000dgregory(~dgregory@user/dgregory) dgregory
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2026-05-29 19:15:18 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-05-29 19:15:22 +0000 <yin> hoogle.haskell.org not responding to my ping
2026-05-29 19:15:46 +0000 <jaror> it also works normally for me
2026-05-29 19:18:09 +0000 <[exa]> yin: it's probably discarding pings, http(s) works okay for me
2026-05-29 19:19:01 +0000 <jaror> It's responding to my pings
2026-05-29 19:20:09 +0000 <yin> weird. can't get it on wi-fi nor cell
2026-05-29 19:20:10 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:b15f:a188:70f5:85a4) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-05-29 19:21:05 +0000Icy-Thought(~user@user/icy-thought) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2026-05-29 19:21:24 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:b15f:a188:70f5:85a4) synchromesh
2026-05-29 19:21:42 +0000 <geekosaur> seems okay here as well
2026-05-29 19:25:59 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 19:27:21 +0000dgregory(~dgregory@user/dgregory) (Quit: dgregory)
2026-05-29 19:28:31 +0000 <monochrom> It's a pity that DDoSers abuse ping and traceroute so now everyone disables them so now you can diagnose nothing.
2026-05-29 19:28:43 +0000 <yin> this is probably an ISP issue
2026-05-29 19:29:54 +0000 <yin> monochrom: after the 4th jump all i get is * * *
2026-05-29 19:30:50 +0000 <yin> is this right? hoogle.haskell.org. 0 IN CNAME gitlab.haskell.org.
2026-05-29 19:31:06 +0000 <yin> haskell.org works fine for me
2026-05-29 19:31:22 +0000 <jaror> Yeah, I get this in ping:
2026-05-29 19:31:22 +0000 <jaror> 64 bytes from gitlab.haskell.org (104.249.184.245): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=146 ms
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2026-05-29 19:34:01 +0000 <yin> oh well... i suppose there isn't a number we can call anymore
2026-05-29 19:34:11 +0000 <yin> didn't hoogle have a mirror?
2026-05-29 19:34:41 +0000 <jaror> Yeah, you can try mango's mirror: https://hoogle.mangoiv.com/
2026-05-29 19:35:56 +0000 <jaror> You can also of course run hoogle locally
2026-05-29 19:35:57 +0000 <yin> jaror: ty
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2026-05-29 19:59:25 +0000 <tomsmeding> monochrom: has traceroute ever given you something useful? I find it always stops halfway through.
2026-05-29 19:59:28 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 20:00:36 +0000 <tomsmeding> (as it does in this case: 'traceroute hoogle.haskell.org' for me ends at some IP (38.104.178.90) of cogentco, DC, US and I have no clue what its relation to hoogle's server is)
2026-05-29 20:01:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> (it seems that whois result of "cogentco" is either iffy or useless for this purpose because it claims that the entire 38.0.0.0/8 (!) is owned by cogentco)
2026-05-29 20:02:23 +0000 <int-e> Hey I got all the way to 192.107.121.2 from here! (Which is OpenCape, same company as 104.249.184.245)
2026-05-29 20:02:50 +0000 <tomsmeding> cool!
2026-05-29 20:02:56 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: halfway through there are ISP-grade routers that don't give much about people tracing their routes
2026-05-29 20:03:02 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: try UDP-based tracing btw
2026-05-29 20:03:20 +0000 <tomsmeding> I guess when I traceroute my own VPS I do get to hetzner, which is close enough
2026-05-29 20:03:35 +0000 <[exa]> (the whole traceroute logic depends on triggering everything on the way to reports some errors)
2026-05-29 20:04:14 +0000 <yin> traceroute was made for a very different internet from today's
2026-05-29 20:04:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> [exa]: traceroute -U gets exactly as far for me in both cases
2026-05-29 20:05:15 +0000 <[exa]> it tended to differ because some folks were filtering out shady icmp but not udp
2026-05-29 20:05:22 +0000 <[exa]> might not be the case anymore
2026-05-29 20:06:02 +0000Yumemi(~Yumemi@chamoin.net) (Quit: .)
2026-05-29 20:06:12 +0000 <[exa]> (oh also try `mtr`, that thing is priceless)
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2026-05-29 20:07:10 +0000 <tomsmeding> ooh neat TUI
2026-05-29 20:07:15 +0000 <monochrom> tomsmeding: It gave complete and correct information in the 1990s, even early 2000s. :)
2026-05-29 20:07:21 +0000 <tomsmeding> right :p
2026-05-29 20:07:39 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: press `d`
2026-05-29 20:07:49 +0000Yumemi(~Yumemi@chamoin.net) Yumemi
2026-05-29 20:08:11 +0000 <yin> nice
2026-05-29 20:08:11 +0000 <tomsmeding> 1c2o3l4o5u6r7s
2026-05-29 20:08:15 +0000 <int-e> Well even in the early 2000s sometimes an intermediate hop would not send ICMP Time exceeded packets and you'd get a row of stars from that.
2026-05-29 20:08:40 +0000 <[exa]> oh cool they added the unicode hexpoints mode
2026-05-29 20:09:16 +0000[exa]was not asked to diagnose anyone's internet connection for like over 6 years now, cool
2026-05-29 20:09:21 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah since the 2000s it has slowly degraded, ending in today (or 5 years ago) being a total black hole.
2026-05-29 20:09:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> :D
2026-05-29 20:10:26 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: c'mon the routers don't respond to traceroute but you have a whole website of CVEs to get into them :)
2026-05-29 20:10:39 +0000 <monochrom> haha
2026-05-29 20:10:47 +0000 <davean> [exa]: I have! There were LAG management packets and the ports weren't setup in MLAG mode!
2026-05-29 20:11:22 +0000 <monochrom> Paroding FSF: If traceroute is outlawed, then only outlaws can traceroute. >:)
2026-05-29 20:11:44 +0000 <monochrom> or is it s/FSF/EFF/ ?
2026-05-29 20:11:50 +0000 <darkling> You wouldn't traceroute a car.
2026-05-29 20:12:05 +0000 <[exa]> one does not traceroute to hoogle
2026-05-29 20:12:26 +0000 <darkling> (Although CAN bus sniffing, on the other hand...)
2026-05-29 20:13:01 +0000 <int-e> darkling: Why not?
2026-05-29 20:13:17 +0000 <[exa]> davean: hold on right there, what did you do??
2026-05-29 20:13:18 +0000 <int-e> (Cars are IoT devices, aren't they :P)
2026-05-29 20:14:36 +0000 <[exa]> man, imagine if the IoT routing somehow worked
2026-05-29 20:14:59 +0000 <[exa]> you could do traceroute through cars instead of googlemaps navigation
2026-05-29 20:15:27 +0000 <monochrom> haha
2026-05-29 20:15:55 +0000 <tomsmeding> this is fun, I tried mtr'ing to some host far away (in japan) and it turns out the packets are passed on to iij (a japanese network provider) already in London
2026-05-29 20:16:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> I'm getting responses from ldn*.iij.net, sea*.iij.net and tky*.iij.net, in that order
2026-05-29 20:16:43 +0000 <tomsmeding> does that mean that I'm getting traceroute responses from some under-sea station
2026-05-29 20:16:51 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: that's pretty common, most providers colocate the connectivity as far as possible
2026-05-29 20:18:40 +0000 <monochrom> under-sea stations. spy movie stuff. :)
2026-05-29 20:18:59 +0000 <[exa]> the nice thing on `mtr` is that you actually see the point where the packets get delayed
2026-05-29 20:19:10 +0000 <[exa]> so far my best observation of speed of light
2026-05-29 20:19:23 +0000 <monochrom> wait so atlantis is real and is now the hub of the world's internet?!
2026-05-29 20:19:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> [exa]: coool I didn't realise that yet
2026-05-29 20:19:47 +0000 <darkling> Given what the rest of the news looks like these days, I wouldn't be surprised.
2026-05-29 20:19:50 +0000 <[exa]> like, earth has 100ms ping all around
2026-05-29 20:19:58 +0000cptaffe(~cptaffe@user/cptaffe) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2026-05-29 20:20:02 +0000 <[exa]> (at minimum)
2026-05-29 20:20:12 +0000 <tomsmeding> the sea is about 72% if the way from london to tokyo
2026-05-29 20:20:28 +0000 <tomsmeding> *of
2026-05-29 20:22:11 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: where's that, can we move closer to get better pings
2026-05-29 20:23:28 +0000 <monochrom> bermuda triangle >:)
2026-05-29 20:24:27 +0000 <[exa]> so that's where all these ships went! they're playing quake now!
2026-05-29 20:24:50 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn
2026-05-29 20:25:20 +0000caryhartline(~caryhartl@159.26.119.68) CaryHartline
2026-05-29 20:26:10 +0000 <monochrom> or battleship :)
2026-05-29 20:26:59 +0000[exa]rofls back to haskell
2026-05-29 20:29:36 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-05-29 20:30:06 +0000 <monochrom> the fleeting relevance being last year my network socket assignment was "game server for multi-player online battleship" so in my mind internet and battleship are related
2026-05-29 20:30:35 +0000 <monochrom> (intentionally choosing the word "fleeting" over "feeble" haha)
2026-05-29 20:40:38 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-05-29 20:42:18 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: I have the sinking feeling that there was a pun there.
2026-05-29 20:43:02 +0000 <geekosaur> "fleet"?
2026-05-29 20:43:14 +0000 <davean> [exa]: I contaced the ISP and had a brief talking to with their NOC about config management. Then they rolled a fixed config.
2026-05-29 20:43:25 +0000 <int-e> geekosaur: "sink"? :P
2026-05-29 20:44:07 +0000 <monochrom> \∩/
2026-05-29 20:45:57 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2026-05-29 20:46:39 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: \∩/ = ·, \∪/ = X
2026-05-29 20:47:20 +0000 <davean> [exa]: then I edited the routers to do equal cost multipath routing
2026-05-29 20:49:24 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-05-29 20:54:44 +0000 <[exa]> davean: lol cool
2026-05-29 20:55:03 +0000 <yin> https://gekk.info/articles/traceroute.htm
2026-05-29 20:55:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn
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2026-05-29 20:57:14 +0000 <monochrom> Sure. Now please enjoy this TracerT video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM
2026-05-29 21:00:36 +0000 <yin> now that's right up my alley
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2026-05-29 21:01:36 +0000kimiamania408(~67ff9c51@user/kimiamania) (Quit: PegeLinux)
2026-05-29 21:02:12 +0000 <int-e> yin: The amazing thing is that *some* routers actually still implement that ICMP time exceeded packet. I don't know why either!
2026-05-29 21:02:46 +0000 <int-e> (also if anyone implemented RFC 1393 that sounds like a potential traffic amplification mechanism...)
2026-05-29 21:05:23 +0000kimiamania408(~67ff9c51@user/kimiamania) kimiamania
2026-05-29 21:05:34 +0000 <tomsmeding> that was also my first thought, and I was mildly surprised the author didn't bring up that (nowadays) obvious downside
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