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| 2026-05-18 00:05:06 +0000 | nhar | (~noah@76.33.110.8) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 00:06:54 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-05-18 00:41:14 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@128.101.131.218) Eoco |
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| 2026-05-18 00:58:27 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@128.101.131.218) Eoco |
| 2026-05-18 00:58:44 +0000 | tri | (~tri@ool-4a5ac1f4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 2026-05-18 00:59:27 +0000 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 01:00:37 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2026-05-18 01:00:39 +0000 | lisbeths | (uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com) lisbeths |
| 2026-05-18 01:02:47 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2026-05-18 01:25:04 +0000 | byorgey | (~byorgey@user/byorgey) byorgey |
| 2026-05-18 01:25:58 +0000 | ricardomaps | (~ricardoma@2804:14d:a040:81ea:6bd3:f312:6faa:2458) |
| 2026-05-18 01:27:04 +0000 | nhar | (~noah@76.33.110.8) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 01:32:14 +0000 | arahael | (~wetfoot@user/arahael) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 01:32:40 +0000 | arahael | (~wetfoot@user/arahael) arahael |
| 2026-05-18 01:35:39 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-18 01:39:02 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) |
| 2026-05-18 01:39:33 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-05-18 01:40:41 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 01:43:47 +0000 | nhar | (~noah@76.33.110.8) |
| 2026-05-18 01:48:12 +0000 | <monochrom> | (Belated) Fortunately, the Giry monad is how you can deal with probability over probabilities! |
| 2026-05-18 01:48:51 +0000 | <monochrom> | More precisely, a distribution over a family of distributions. |
| 2026-05-18 01:49:26 +0000 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2026-05-18 01:49:35 +0000 | ricardomaps | (~ricardoma@2804:14d:a040:81ea:6bd3:f312:6faa:2458) (Quit: ricardomaps) |
| 2026-05-18 01:50:14 +0000 | jj_ | apropo |
| 2026-05-18 01:51:00 +0000 | apropo | omentic |
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| 2026-05-18 08:01:05 +0000 | <Freakie> | hi, does anyone know if a performance regression has been introduced to compact regions? I've got some benchmarks that have completely tanked in a way that they haven't before but there shouldn't be any changes to my own code that cause it |
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| 2026-05-18 08:12:54 +0000 | <[exa]> | Freakie: there were no uploads of that since 2020 no? |
| 2026-05-18 08:13:24 +0000 | <Freakie> | guess I must have shot myself in the foot then, somehow |
| 2026-05-18 08:13:58 +0000 | <Freakie> | it's just strange because garbage collection time is absolutely dominating the code I'm running when it should be the exact opposite |
| 2026-05-18 08:14:09 +0000 | <Freakie> | and 95%+ of all the live data is compact |
| 2026-05-18 08:15:35 +0000 | <[exa]> | did uou upgrade ghc or cabal? or any of the dependencies? |
| 2026-05-18 08:16:07 +0000 | <[exa]> | (might be time for the magic cabal rollback, just out of curiosity) |
| 2026-05-18 08:17:30 +0000 | rzrshr | (~rzrshr@user/rzrshr) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 08:17:40 +0000 | <Freakie> | not since before I got my implementation working |
| 2026-05-18 08:17:45 +0000 | <Freakie> | I can try another ghc version if anything |
| 2026-05-18 08:19:58 +0000 | <[exa]> | interesting then |
| 2026-05-18 08:20:05 +0000 | <[exa]> | which exact package you depend on? |
| 2026-05-18 08:20:47 +0000 | <Freakie> | actually the only thing I did change was switch out the default data structure for my priority queue |
| 2026-05-18 08:20:54 +0000 | <Freakie> | let me see if that changes any |
| 2026-05-18 08:20:56 +0000 | <[exa]> | the ghc-compact or compact or some other? |
| 2026-05-18 08:21:51 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh well that might break things :D |
| 2026-05-18 08:22:08 +0000 | <Freakie> | oh sorry, thought you might have meant that but I misread |
| 2026-05-18 08:22:12 +0000 | <Freakie> | just the ghc implementation |
| 2026-05-18 08:22:55 +0000 | <Freakie> | I used Data.Compact initially but I've moved away from it |
| 2026-05-18 08:23:02 +0000 | <Freakie> | but both that and ghc should have been unchanged for a long time |
| 2026-05-18 08:24:57 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah |
| 2026-05-18 08:25:29 +0000 | <[exa]> | well I guess checking if your changes did something might be the easiest way to start the debug |
| 2026-05-18 08:25:48 +0000 | <Freakie> | yeah I'm looking through old commits and also comparing the different implementations |
| 2026-05-18 08:26:07 +0000 | <Freakie> | just sucks that you can't runtime profile compact stuff |
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| 2026-05-18 08:27:29 +0000 | <[exa]> | anything you store in the regions that could have gotten a different implementation from a dependency update? |
| 2026-05-18 08:28:17 +0000 | <Freakie> | no, it's all just my own types |
| 2026-05-18 08:28:32 +0000 | <Freakie> | and they're just constructors over primitive types |
| 2026-05-18 08:29:02 +0000 | <Freakie> | fwiw i just stole this implementation https://hackage.haskell.org/package/compact-list since it cabal couldn't build it |
| 2026-05-18 08:29:27 +0000 | <Freakie> | but I customized the default allocation size to depend on some terminal arguments, but even then it's the same issue if I allocate what it was originally hardcoded to |
| 2026-05-18 08:29:59 +0000 | <Freakie> | I suppose .prof data might be my only hope at this point |
| 2026-05-18 08:32:16 +0000 | <[exa]> | no luck with bisect? |
| 2026-05-18 08:32:33 +0000 | <Freakie> | I'm not familiar with that |
| 2026-05-18 08:32:36 +0000 | <Freakie> | got a link? |
| 2026-05-18 08:32:44 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | `man git-bisect` |
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| 2026-05-18 08:36:37 +0000 | <[exa]> | ( or just shoot it by hand :) ) |
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| 2026-05-18 08:38:22 +0000 | <Freakie> | well there are only two or three commits since I first got it working so I think that's overkill |
| 2026-05-18 08:38:47 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :) |
| 2026-05-18 08:38:56 +0000 | <Freakie> | hm |
| 2026-05-18 08:39:13 +0000 | <Freakie> | same issue even on the first checkout that was supposed to work |
| 2026-05-18 08:39:15 +0000 | <Freakie> | well I'm stumped |
| 2026-05-18 08:39:31 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | different input data? |
| 2026-05-18 08:39:55 +0000 | <Freakie> | nope |
| 2026-05-18 08:40:03 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 2026-05-18 08:40:23 +0000 | <Freakie> | but it seems like the compact data is still being garbage collected somehow? |
| 2026-05-18 08:40:32 +0000 | <Freakie> | it's the only way I can reason about the gc time |
| 2026-05-18 08:40:38 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | different +RTS flags? |
| 2026-05-18 08:40:59 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | creating a compact region is an expensive operation |
| 2026-05-18 08:41:46 +0000 | <Freakie> | i'm using them to hold gigabyte-sized accumulators |
| 2026-05-18 08:42:31 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | creating a compact region, or adding stuff to a compact region, involves copying all of that into a separate part of memory |
| 2026-05-18 08:42:36 +0000 | <Freakie> | but when my profiler reports 95% of my data is compact and at the same time 90% of the runtime is garbage collection something is very fishy |
| 2026-05-18 08:43:01 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so repeatedly packing and repacking stuff into compact regions is going to hurt your execution time, not help it |
| 2026-05-18 08:43:12 +0000 | <Freakie> | would it matter a lot if it's compactAdd# or compactAddWithSharing#? |
| 2026-05-18 08:43:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | yes |
| 2026-05-18 08:43:34 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | iirc the docs give some performance details for those functions |
| 2026-05-18 08:44:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but whichever you choose it's still only a good idea if you proceed to use the packed data for a longer period of time as a constant |
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| 2026-05-18 08:44:54 +0000 | divlamir | (~divlamir@user/divlamir) divlamir |
| 2026-05-18 08:44:58 +0000 | <Freakie> | I mean I use them exclusively as accumulators |
| 2026-05-18 08:45:11 +0000 | rzrshr | (~rzrshr@user/rzrshr) rzrshr |
| 2026-05-18 08:45:52 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | the word "accumulator" is not specific enough to pin down your access pattern :) |
| 2026-05-18 08:46:00 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | in the haskell world where half of what you do is work with accumulators |
| 2026-05-18 08:46:15 +0000 | <Freakie> | basically I use them as an append-only feature |
| 2026-05-18 08:46:29 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | (I have not actually worked with compact regions -- I _wanted_ to use them at some point, read about the performance characteristics, and decided not to) |
| 2026-05-18 08:46:40 +0000 | <Freakie> | and the second I need to use any of the compact data I copy them over to non-compact data |
| 2026-05-18 08:46:51 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that sounds like a bad use of a compact region |
| 2026-05-18 08:47:02 +0000 | <Freakie> | how so? |
| 2026-05-18 08:47:24 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | well firstly, to just read the data in the region you don't have to copy it out |
| 2026-05-18 08:47:30 +0000 | <Freakie> | okay, let me rephrase |
| 2026-05-18 08:47:30 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | (that's the point) |
| 2026-05-18 08:48:07 +0000 | <Freakie> | the only way I interact with the compact regions is when I need to append data, or when I am done with appending and traverse through it |
| 2026-05-18 08:48:20 +0000 | <Freakie> | the compactness ends when I need to use it |
| 2026-05-18 08:48:37 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | right. I'm not sure sure how bad that is really. |
| 2026-05-18 08:48:44 +0000 | <Freakie> | let me put it this way |
| 2026-05-18 08:49:08 +0000 | <Freakie> | if I do it purely, garbage collection becomes so significant that I spend about 5% of the runtime on doing MUT stuff |
| 2026-05-18 08:49:54 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | `getCompact (foldM (\reg x -> compactAdd reg (f x)) (compact empty) structure)`? |
| 2026-05-18 08:50:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | with some fmap/pure |
| 2026-05-18 08:50:16 +0000 | <Freakie> | when I actually had signs of this working, it cut the runtime by orders of magnitude |
| 2026-05-18 08:50:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | cool |
| 2026-05-18 08:50:28 +0000 | <Freakie> | I am more or less just using the implementation from https://hackage.haskell.org/package/compact-list |
| 2026-05-18 08:50:36 +0000 | <Freakie> | with some slight modifications |
| 2026-05-18 08:51:03 +0000 | <Freakie> | I just needed some utility to make the garbage collector ignore my append-only data (because there's never anything to gc) |
| 2026-05-18 08:51:38 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | if you're in IO anyway, have you considered writing the data to arrays? |
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| 2026-05-18 08:52:08 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but yeah I guess your usecase should work; compactAdd, including the MVar, will be slow, but it's probably faster than that 95% of GC time you report |
| 2026-05-18 08:52:21 +0000 | <Freakie> | it's for my master's thesis whose premise is being able to do work on enormous data using only inductive types |
| 2026-05-18 08:52:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | heh |
| 2026-05-18 08:52:40 +0000 | <Freakie> | I don't need it to be practical (for any serious purposes), I just need to show some indications that this is a valid direction |
| 2026-05-18 08:52:58 +0000 | <Freakie> | generally the observation has been a 10-20% increase to MUT time but a drastic reduction in GC |
| 2026-05-18 08:53:15 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that... sounds believable |
| 2026-05-18 08:53:51 +0000 | <Freakie> | but I'm working with algorithms that are designed to be efficient when working on data in external memory |
| 2026-05-18 08:53:58 +0000 | <Freakie> | which involves a lot of writing and reading back and forth |
| 2026-05-18 08:54:09 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh interesting |
| 2026-05-18 08:55:19 +0000 | <Freakie> | by their very nature that ends up with a lot of data that the garbage collector can't tell won't be garbage collected for a long time |
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| 2026-05-18 08:55:24 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not sure where your sudden change in behaviour comes from. If you haven't already, I'd try to restore your system state to what it was when it did work -- perhaps a clean build of your source in a new directory |
| 2026-05-18 08:55:29 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | right |
| 2026-05-18 08:55:58 +0000 | <Freakie> | part of my thesis also involves reasoning about the allocator size of the nursery |
| 2026-05-18 08:56:11 +0000 | <Freakie> | and it seems when I do increase it to match my cache I get the same runtimes as before |
| 2026-05-18 08:56:39 +0000 | <Freakie> | so theres' always the chance that I just remembered poorly what my CLI arguments were |
| 2026-05-18 08:56:46 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | your L3 cache? |
| 2026-05-18 08:56:48 +0000 | <Freakie> | yeah |
| 2026-05-18 08:57:03 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | funny, never thought about that |
| 2026-05-18 08:57:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | yeah that seems like a smoking gun then |
| 2026-05-18 09:01:27 +0000 | <Freakie> | basically the the data needs to be oriented around reducing IO operations when reading through e.g. lists |
| 2026-05-18 09:03:22 +0000 | <Freakie> | but yeah the largest input I'm running on is 5 gb and without reducing GC time I'm basically dead in the water at that point |
| 2026-05-18 09:03:58 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I can imagine |
| 2026-05-18 09:04:36 +0000 | <Freakie> | my own laziness has bit me in the ass I suppose so I can't say for sure if what I described earlier was actually something I just misremembered or not |
| 2026-05-18 09:04:40 +0000 | <Freakie> | but thanks for the discussion either way |
| 2026-05-18 09:05:31 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | cheers :) |
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| 2026-05-18 10:20:36 +0000 | <Freakie> | does anyone know if .prof files measure time across all kinds of events or only MUT time? |
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| 2026-05-18 11:04:49 +0000 | stefan-_ | (~cri@42dots.de) (*.net *.split) |
| 2026-05-18 11:04:49 +0000 | szkl | (uid110435@id-110435.uxbridge.irccloud.com) (*.net *.split) |
| 2026-05-18 11:04:49 +0000 | red-snail | (~red-snail@static.151.210.203.116.clients.your-server.de) (*.net *.split) |
| 2026-05-18 11:04:49 +0000 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:311a:780a:bedd:9a52) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:02 +0000 | skylord5816 | (~skylord58@user/skylord5816) skylord5816 |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:06 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:07 +0000 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:12 +0000 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e5696c136384b83479c9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:28 +0000 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:34 +0000 | stefan-_ | (~cri@42dots.de) stefan-_ |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:35 +0000 | red-snail | (~red-snail@static.151.210.203.116.clients.your-server.de) red-snail |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:36 +0000 | szkl | (uid110435@id-110435.uxbridge.irccloud.com) szkl |
| 2026-05-18 11:05:56 +0000 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:247e:1500:311a:780a:bedd:9a52) synchromesh |
| 2026-05-18 11:06:09 +0000 | exarkun | (~exarkun@user/exarkun) exarkun |
| 2026-05-18 11:06:40 +0000 | <merijn> | iirc it might just be MUT time? |
| 2026-05-18 11:06:52 +0000 | <merijn> | I had difficulties profiling across long foreign calls, at least |
| 2026-05-18 11:07:49 +0000 | disconnect3d | (~disconnec@user/disconnect3d) (Server closed connection) |
| 2026-05-18 11:07:57 +0000 | disconnect3d | (~disconnec@user/disconnect3d) disconnect3d |
| 2026-05-18 11:09:57 +0000 | dostoyevsky2 | (~sck@user/dostoyevsky2) dostoyevsky2 |
| 2026-05-18 11:15:20 +0000 | mal1 | lieven |
| 2026-05-18 11:20:18 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:75e8:4c62:afe8:5ecb) |
| 2026-05-18 11:26:33 +0000 | random-jellyfish | (~random-je@user/random-jellyfish) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-05-18 11:32:33 +0000 | rzrshr1 | (~rzrshr@user/rzrshr) rzrshr |
| 2026-05-18 11:32:52 +0000 | sp1ff` | (~user@2601:1c2:4080:14c0:5df2:f2f4:8a07:70ec) |
| 2026-05-18 11:33:54 +0000 | sp1ff | (~user@2601:1c2:4080:14c0:5df2:f2f4:8a07:70ec) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |