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2026-02-04 00:03:48 +0100 <gentauro> tomsmeding: did Haskell move to GitHub? I thought development was at GitLab
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2026-02-04 00:05:56 +0100 <tomsmeding> gentauro: GHC is on gitlab, various other things are on github
2026-02-04 00:07:18 +0100 <tomsmeding> ghcup was originally on the haskell gitlab too, but moved to github a few years back
2026-02-04 00:07:32 +0100 <monochrom> That's an interesting move.
2026-02-04 00:07:48 +0100 <tomsmeding> I'm not sure what was the reasoning behind it
2026-02-04 00:08:15 +0100 <tomsmeding> but it's maerwald so he probably had a good reason for it :p
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2026-02-04 00:14:41 +0100 <tomsmeding> gentauro: and in general, "haskell" is not a single person or a single project. :P
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2026-02-04 00:51:25 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> current discussion of this: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/26824
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2026-02-04 02:16:45 +0100 <yin> > mempty :: Maybe Char
2026-02-04 02:16:46 +0100 <lambdabot> No instance for ‘Semigroup Char’ arising from a use of ‘mempty’
2026-02-04 02:16:46 +0100 <lambdabot> In the expression: mempty :: Maybe Char
2026-02-04 02:16:51 +0100 <yin> isn't this weird?
2026-02-04 02:21:28 +0100mvk(~mvk@2607:fea8:5c9d:ee00::5716) mvk
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2026-02-04 02:23:20 +0100 <ncf> that there's no Semigroup instance for Char? not particularly, no
2026-02-04 02:23:47 +0100 <ncf> or that Monoid (Maybe a) requires Semigroup a? that one might be up for debate
2026-02-04 02:26:53 +0100 <yin> the latter yeah, but i get it
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2026-02-04 02:29:14 +0100 <EvanR> maybe you're thinking of First
2026-02-04 02:29:49 +0100omidmash6(~omidmash@user/omidmash) omidmash
2026-02-04 02:29:56 +0100 <EvanR> > mempty :: First (Maybe Char)
2026-02-04 02:29:57 +0100 <lambdabot> First {getFirst = Nothing}
2026-02-04 02:31:02 +0100 <EvanR> > mempty :: Maybe (NonEmpty Char)
2026-02-04 02:31:03 +0100 <lambdabot> Nothing
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2026-02-04 02:32:59 +0100 <EvanR> > First (Just 'a') <> First (Just 'b')
2026-02-04 02:33:00 +0100 <lambdabot> First {getFirst = Just 'a'}
2026-02-04 02:33:26 +0100 <EvanR> > Just 'a' <> Just 'b' -- what should happen
2026-02-04 02:33:27 +0100 <lambdabot> No instance for ‘Semigroup Char’ arising from a use of ‘<>’
2026-02-04 02:33:27 +0100 <lambdabot> In the expression: Just 'a' <> Just 'b'
2026-02-04 02:33:48 +0100 <EvanR> Just ('a' <> 'b')
2026-02-04 02:38:12 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-02-04 02:42:35 +0100 <probie> I propose Just ('a' <> 'b') should be Just (chr ((ord 'a' + ord 'b') `mod` (ord maxBound))). It's a lawful instance
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2026-02-04 02:43:21 +0100 <EvanR> a C programmer would be impressed... except the modulo is by some oddball number 1114112 ?
2026-02-04 02:43:52 +0100 <EvanR> to me it seems like adding the note B to the note F... makes sense if you assume MIDI but...
2026-02-04 02:44:26 +0100 <EvanR> just seems like defining things for the sake of it so "they do something" (js style)
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2026-02-04 02:53:55 +0100 <geekosaur> we already do that (see `Foldable` and `Traversable` instances on tuples)
2026-02-04 02:54:21 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-02-04 02:55:40 +0100 <probie> > sum (3,4)
2026-02-04 02:55:41 +0100 <lambdabot> 4
2026-02-04 02:56:04 +0100 <probie> makes sense to me :p
2026-02-04 02:56:33 +0100 <probie> embarrassing when trying to explain to someone just learning Haskell who expects 7
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2026-02-04 02:59:39 +0100 <EvanR> insofaras Functor works on pairs, it makes sense
2026-02-04 03:00:12 +0100 <EvanR> kind of a if it's a functor then it can be folded for better or worse
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2026-02-04 03:01:22 +0100 <EvanR> as it stands somebody can define a Semigroup for Char to carry out their version of great justice, whatever it is
2026-02-04 03:01:49 +0100 <probie> Sure, but at that point why don't we add https://hackage.haskell.org/package/acme-default to base
2026-02-04 03:01:49 +0100 <EvanR> without inflicting it on us... hopefully
2026-02-04 03:02:04 +0100 <EvanR> how is that related
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2026-02-04 03:02:26 +0100 <EvanR> defining stuff in your program means it should be in base?
2026-02-04 03:02:48 +0100prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2026-02-04 03:03:04 +0100 <EvanR> and I'm wrong about functor to foldable
2026-02-04 03:03:28 +0100 <EvanR> in general
2026-02-04 03:04:36 +0100 <probie> Since we'd moved to talking about Foldable/Traversable for tuples, I interpreted your Semigroup for Char to be implying it should be added to base (after all, it has to be, or it's an orphan instance)
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2026-02-04 04:18:42 +0100 <EvanR> I heard orphans are impossible, then we have packages on hackage specifically advertising orphan instances
2026-02-04 04:19:20 +0100 <EvanR> that it would be an Orphan is good, so that might go a ways to stop it from getting out of hand
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