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2025-12-06 02:53:25 +0100 <Pozyomka> Sorry, not exactly a Haskell question, but how usable is Waymonad today? My xmonad.hs is, like, 10 lines long. I replace 3 things in the default configuration, launch xmonad with xmobar, and that's it.
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2025-12-06 03:01:05 +0100 <geekosaur> not
2025-12-06 03:01:30 +0100 <geekosaur> all the attempts to rewrite xmonad for wayland keep dying 😞
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2025-12-06 03:31:44 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> why is that
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2025-12-06 03:44:46 +0100 <Pozyomka> geekosaur: Ah, thanks.
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2025-12-06 03:57:54 +0100 <geekosaur> sm: because with wayland you need to implement a full compositor/display server (the protocol considers window manager information privileged, unlike X11 which exposes it to any client that listens on the root window). the original waymonad "works" but is based on a crashy old version of wlroots. later attempts have stalled trying to make bindings for modern wlroots
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2025-12-06 05:21:33 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> geekosaur thanks. I don't entirely understand but it's interesting
2025-12-06 05:23:03 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> interacting with wayland generally requires an independent implementation of its complex protocol/functionality - would that be a fair statement ?
2025-12-06 05:23:33 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> from afar, progress on wayland things always seem to move rather slowly
2025-12-06 05:23:52 +0100 <geekosaur> clients don't have to be reimplemented, but services in general must be built into the display server/compositor
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2025-12-06 05:24:18 +0100 <geekosaur> which is why both gnome and kde are monoliths (gnome-shell and plasma, respectively)
2025-12-06 05:24:49 +0100 <geekosaur> the flip side being that even minimalist "window managers" have to come with a full window server and compositor built in
2025-12-06 05:24:59 +0100 <geekosaur> see for example sway
2025-12-06 05:28:49 +0100divlamir(~divlamir@user/divlamir) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-06 05:28:51 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> so wlroots is a C library that does the hard wayland stuff, and the problem in haskell land is making good bindings for it ? Is that a hard problem or just a tedious/boring one ?
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2025-12-06 05:29:04 +0100 <geekosaur> someone did propose a protocol for external wayland window managers and such, but it was shot down due to security complications. (see Xsecurity, and how difficult it is to configure meaningful security without breaking window management or other things you really need to work)
2025-12-06 05:29:42 +0100 <geekosaur> it has complications, mostly due to a lot of things being raw pointers in the usual C style
2025-12-06 05:29:51 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> 👀
2025-12-06 05:30:20 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> gotcha. So probably this is a bit easier to do in rust or zig
2025-12-06 05:31:16 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> at least until that next-gen haskell-C bindings generator arrives
2025-12-06 05:31:45 +0100 <geekosaur> right. and there are IIRC wlroots bindings for both. (I saw bindings for zig and go and even experimental ocaml bindings; I may have missed rust bindings, or they're not in sway's github but rather the freedesktop gitlab with wlroots itself, or somewhere else.)
2025-12-06 05:32:27 +0100 <geekosaur> also wlroots is roots. it's not a full compositor library, just the bones of one and you need to provide the sinews
2025-12-06 05:35:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> I see https://github.com/Smithay/smithay
2025-12-06 05:36:34 +0100 <geekosaur> looks to me less like wlroots bindings than a wlroots equivalent in rust
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2025-12-06 06:13:28 +0100haskellbridgesm goes down a wayland rabbit hole .. cool stuff
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2025-12-06 07:40:18 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 07:44:27 +0100trickard(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 07:44:40 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 07:45:41 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-12-06 07:56:05 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 08:01:13 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 08:11:54 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 08:16:32 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 08:21:13 +0100FANTOM(~fantom@212.228.181.156)
2025-12-06 08:27:36 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 08:32:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 08:35:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 08:40:36 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-06 08:51:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 08:56:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-06 09:07:30 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 09:07:39 +0100tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:4ec:c6c9:2447:6676)
2025-12-06 09:10:36 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 09:10:45 +0100Googulator8(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 09:12:29 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-06 09:12:37 +0100iqubic-(~sophia@2601:602:9203:1660:214e:aa04:789d:78ee) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-12-06 09:13:21 +0100iqubic(~sophia@2601:602:9203:1660:214e:aa04:789d:78ee) iqubic
2025-12-06 09:23:18 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 09:27:58 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-12-06 09:34:33 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2025-12-06 09:36:57 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 09:42:04 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) peterbecich
2025-12-06 09:43:19 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 09:54:58 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 10:00:01 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 10:03:49 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 10:04:02 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 10:09:00 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:09:00 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:09:00 +0100marinelli(~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:09:00 +0100ec(~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:09:00 +0100ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:10:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 10:11:14 +0100annamalai(~annamalai@157.32.217.168) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-12-06 10:11:57 +0100ec(~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) ec
2025-12-06 10:12:04 +0100ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) ChaiTRex
2025-12-06 10:12:33 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) califx
2025-12-06 10:12:46 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2025-12-06 10:14:30 +0100marinelli(~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) marinelli
2025-12-06 10:14:55 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (*.net *.split)
2025-12-06 10:15:37 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 10:15:37 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 10:26:31 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 10:31:49 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 10:34:23 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 10:34:36 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 10:37:56 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 10:42:49 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2025-12-06 10:50:00 +0100mooon(~mooon@user/mooon) mooon
2025-12-06 10:53:42 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-12-06 10:53:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 10:59:35 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:08:38 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-12-06 11:08:53 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) califx
2025-12-06 11:10:40 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 11:10:41 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 11:10:51 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 11:15:25 +0100AlexNoo_AlexNoo
2025-12-06 11:15:37 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:16:21 +0100lambda_gibbon(~lambda_gi@2603:7080:ee00:37d8:35d4:1aac:9a2f:cd11)
2025-12-06 11:20:08 +0100anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2025-12-06 11:20:14 +0100Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-152-225-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2025-12-06 11:20:38 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 11:20:49 +0100lambda_gibbon(~lambda_gi@2603:7080:ee00:37d8:35d4:1aac:9a2f:cd11) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:20:51 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 11:21:13 +0100anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad
2025-12-06 11:26:27 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 11:28:45 +0100Jackneill(~Jackneill@94-21-15-191.pool.digikabel.hu) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-12-06 11:30:01 +0100Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:31:31 +0100tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz)
2025-12-06 11:31:31 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:38:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 11:40:44 +0100Googulator20(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 11:40:54 +0100Googulator7(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 11:43:58 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-12-06 11:44:04 +0100trickard_trickard
2025-12-06 11:46:51 +0100trickard(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 11:47:05 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 11:54:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 11:56:15 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 11:57:53 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 11:59:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:04:08 +0100Fijxu(~Fijxu@user/fijxu) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:10:32 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 12:10:42 +0100Googulator20(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 12:10:45 +0100Googulator54(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 12:15:21 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:19:21 +0100Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-12-06 12:24:41 +0100mulk(~mulk@p5b1127bf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2025-12-06 12:26:31 +0100ircbrowse_tom(~ircbrowse@user/tomsmeding/bot/ircbrowse-tom) ircbrowse_tom
2025-12-06 12:26:32 +0100Server+Cnt
2025-12-06 12:27:54 +0100iqubic(~sophia@2601:602:9203:1660:214e:aa04:789d:78ee) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:28:09 +0100wbooze(~wbooze@cgn-195-14-220-195.nc.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.8 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/)
2025-12-06 12:31:49 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:34:42 +0100wbooze(~wbooze@cgn-195-14-220-195.nc.de) Inline
2025-12-06 12:35:01 +0100Jackneill(~Jackneill@94-21-15-191.pool.digikabel.hu) Jackneill
2025-12-06 12:38:26 +0100gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-12-06 12:39:56 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 12:40:32 +0100mulk(~mulk@p5b1127bf.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) mulk
2025-12-06 12:40:42 +0100Googulator1(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 12:40:47 +0100Googulator54(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 12:46:45 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2025-12-06 12:57:59 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 12:59:15 +0100Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 13:00:25 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 13:00:38 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 13:02:31 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 13:03:27 +0100trickard_trickard
2025-12-06 13:09:25 +0100end(~end@user/end/x-0094621) (Quit: end)
2025-12-06 13:09:25 +0100bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) (Quit: \)
2025-12-06 13:13:47 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 13:18:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-12-06 13:18:40 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-12-06 13:18:57 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-12-06 13:20:44 +0100Googulator1(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 13:20:46 +0100Googulator45(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 13:26:50 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 13:29:10 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 13:29:56 +0100Fijxu(~Fijxu@user/fijxu) fijxu
2025-12-06 13:30:20 +0100Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2025-12-06 13:31:13 +0100bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) bcksl
2025-12-06 13:34:13 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 13:36:23 +0100end(~end@user/end/x-0094621) end^
2025-12-06 13:40:57 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 13:44:06 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2025-12-06 13:45:48 +0100machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-12-06 13:45:55 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-12-06 13:47:19 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-12-06 13:47:45 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
2025-12-06 13:50:50 +0100Googulator40(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 13:51:04 +0100Googulator45(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 13:53:40 +0100AlexZenon(~alzenon@85.174.183.41) (Quit: ;-)
2025-12-06 13:54:47 +0100AlexNoo(~AlexNoo@85.174.183.41) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-12-06 13:56:47 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 14:00:19 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-12-06 14:00:55 +0100mooon(~mooon@user/mooon) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:01:43 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:02:24 +0100malte(~malte@mal.tc) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:05:00 +0100malte(~malte@mal.tc) malte
2025-12-06 14:10:22 +0100bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-12-06 14:12:32 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 14:12:35 +0100bitdex_(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-12-06 14:16:31 +0100bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:17:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:26:35 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:26:56 +0100AlexNoo(~AlexNoo@85.174.183.41)
2025-12-06 14:27:26 +0100__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) toonn
2025-12-06 14:27:52 +0100trickard(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 14:28:05 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 14:28:21 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 14:30:08 +0100AlexZenon(~alzenon@85.174.183.41)
2025-12-06 14:30:27 +0100img_(~img@user/img) (Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in)
2025-12-06 14:30:40 +0100img(~img@user/img) img
2025-12-06 14:35:03 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:39:41 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-12-06 14:39:48 +0100iqubic(~sophia@2601:602:9203:1660:dd90:fc81:4acd:a139) iqubic
2025-12-06 14:41:58 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 14:45:11 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 14:45:37 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
2025-12-06 14:46:24 +0100mooon(~mooon@user/mooon) mooon
2025-12-06 14:46:35 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:49:43 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:50:38 +0100Googulator40(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-12-06 14:50:41 +0100Googulator2(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-479c-a13d-10f6-324f-ace8.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-12-06 14:52:31 +0100Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:54:40 +0100xnyhps(~xnyhps@s.xnyhps.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-06 14:55:26 +0100xnyhps(~xnyhps@s.xnyhps.nl)
2025-12-06 14:57:37 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 14:57:50 +0100Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-12-06 15:02:25 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 15:07:13 +0100ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-12-06 15:08:49 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-12-06 15:09:03 +0100trickard_(~trickard@cpe-85-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-12-06 15:13:16 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-06 15:17:08 +0100chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
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2025-12-06 17:07:49 +0100 <geekosaur> after sleeping on it, it does make me wonder if they mde their own for the same reason that waymonad was abandoned and the attempts to make haskell bindings for wlroots failed
2025-12-06 17:08:27 +0100 <geekosaur> i.e. there's just something difficult about all those pointers that makes them not play well with either rust or haskell
2025-12-06 17:08:52 +0100 <geekosaur> that said, maybe I should poke at the ocaml bindings
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2025-12-06 20:20:36 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Maybe bypassing wlroots could let haskell use some own strengths too better.
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2025-12-06 20:26:08 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> iirc it has some declarative specification that could be used to autogenerate stuff
2025-12-06 20:29:03 +0100 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> Yes, it has XML, perhaps it's possible to autogenerate code for it in haskell with more safety than in C :P
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2025-12-06 21:11:24 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2025-12-06 21:13:34 +0100 <[exa]> is there some good overview of how wayland actually does the windowmanaging stuff? (for people untouched by wayland so far)
2025-12-06 21:13:47 +0100 <[exa]> cc geekosaur ^
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2025-12-06 21:21:03 +0100 <yushyin> [exa]: xdg-shell is the basic protocol for the window managing stuff, but you should read about the wayland protocol design first. https://wayland-book.com/ this might be a ok starting point
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2025-12-06 21:25:35 +0100 <yushyin> I've toyed around with wlroots a bit in haskell, and I got to the point where I could spawn clients that were rendering correctly and worked xD But I never got any further than that, lack of time and all that
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2025-12-06 21:54:17 +0100 <geekosaur> I don't really know, or I'd be at least helping out with the waymonad stuff instead of cheering from the sidelines 😞
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2025-12-06 21:57:53 +0100 <davean> Every time I've looked in at waymonad I've been confused about the things they were running into issues with, like I don't get why they have issues with the bindings
2025-12-06 22:00:48 +0100 <davean> I've not gotten into it much but I really have wondered whats going on with them running into issues with the parts I think should be the easy parts
2025-12-06 22:02:48 +0100 <geekosaur> one would think, sadly that's exactly where waymonad and the new attempt failed. I don't know why either but suspect I won't do any better if I try to pick up e.g. the work done by the folks on discourse (look for "wlroots" and "tinywl-hs")
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2025-12-06 22:05:13 +0100 <davean> I mean I looked at some of that code and I was lacking the context for why they went about it the way they did
2025-12-06 22:05:16 +0100 <davean> it confused me
2025-12-06 22:07:43 +0100 <davean> Their custom Setup.hs stuff, all the hand done stuff for straight bindings ...
2025-12-06 22:07:57 +0100 <davean> I didn't even see places it would differ from the automation
2025-12-06 22:08:00 +0100 <davean> so very confused
2025-12-06 22:08:45 +0100 <davean> I didn't get deep enough into them to figure it out
2025-12-06 22:09:38 +0100 <davean> I did see people worrying about pause times, but I didn't even see discussions of the pauseless GC or seperating out a rendering process from a control process or anything
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2025-12-06 22:10:20 +0100 <davean> like I'd probably go about running a pauseless-GC renderer with a standard control process and make the control process restartable but the renderer not.
2025-12-06 22:10:45 +0100 <davean> It seemed like everyone got on the same page of how to go about those projects somewhere else that I couldn't find
2025-12-06 22:10:59 +0100 <davean> and I was missing something huge reading the discussions about it
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2025-12-06 22:13:40 +0100 <davean> One could also have a realtime thread for the renderer, but that wouldn't accomplish the restart portion, one could use something like hint for the config and update the datastructure for the renderer ...
2025-12-06 22:13:47 +0100 <davean> but that wouldn't be as clean IMO
2025-12-06 22:14:51 +0100 <davean> Lots of worry about a thing, but I never found the discussion of how they settled on that thing, etc
2025-12-06 22:18:12 +0100 <[exa]> interesting
2025-12-06 22:18:19 +0100 <[exa]> yushyin: thanks!
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2025-12-06 22:26:16 +0100 <hololeap> can someone help me understand this error? http://dpaste.com/F4ATVZPHF
2025-12-06 22:26:24 +0100 <hololeap> source code: http://dpaste.com/69GNP6AQJ
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2025-12-06 22:27:12 +0100humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2025-12-06 22:27:57 +0100 <int-e> hololeap: my guess would be that http://dpaste.com/69GNP6AQJ
2025-12-06 22:28:00 +0100 <int-e> sorry
2025-12-06 22:28:02 +0100 <hololeap> I'm trying to make it so that it enforces that any MatchLogic defined in an instance of IsDepSet must be a Mond
2025-12-06 22:28:09 +0100 <hololeap> *Monad
2025-12-06 22:28:20 +0100 <int-e> ...that MatchLogic is a 3 argument type family and you can't have partially applied type families.
2025-12-06 22:30:04 +0100 <int-e> or a type synonym, as the error says; the story is the same: you can't use them partially applied
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2025-12-06 22:31:25 +0100 <hololeap> I read here that "type synonym family" is just a type family: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/23860
2025-12-06 22:31:54 +0100 <hololeap> is this just a limitation of GHC? something that could be implemented in the future?
2025-12-06 22:35:23 +0100 <hololeap> if I change it to:
2025-12-06 22:35:26 +0100 <hololeap> class (forall (m :: Maybe MatchMode). Ord (MatchLogic t m DepSpec))
2025-12-06 22:35:30 +0100 <geekosaur> I think there's a [proposal for it, but it is actually hard given how ghc works iirc
2025-12-06 22:35:56 +0100 <hololeap> it's the same error, so it doesn't seem to only be due to partial application
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2025-12-06 22:37:03 +0100 <hololeap> http://dpaste.com/BJFDH62NW
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