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| 2025-11-22 04:31:34 +0100 | <jreicher> | Does anyone have a reference for the "Tag" that kuribas was talking about earlier? |
| 2025-11-22 04:31:57 +0100 | <jreicher> | Did they mean Data.Tagged? |
| 2025-11-22 04:33:00 +0100 | haltingsolver | (~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 04:33:32 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-11-22 04:34:49 +0100 | <int-e> | I don't think it was anything concrete. It would conceptually be a GADT like data Tag t where Tag_Int :: Tag Int | Tag_List :: Tag t -> Tag [t] | ... |
| 2025-11-22 04:34:57 +0100 | <Leary> | jreicher: I imagine they meant something equivalent to `Type.Reflection.TypeRep`. |
| 2025-11-22 04:35:50 +0100 | Googulator87 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-0231-f56c-45b8-e3c8-fdbd.pool6.digikabel.hu) |
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| 2025-11-22 04:37:13 +0100 | <monochrom> | <troll>It just means "day" in German >:) </troll> |
| 2025-11-22 04:38:08 +0100 | <jreicher> | :D |
| 2025-11-22 04:39:23 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> are there any reasons, like perofrmance, not to replace a long when sequence with traverse_ (uncurry when)? |
| 2025-11-22 04:39:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i guess the biggest issue is freaking out newbies |
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| 2025-11-22 04:44:45 +0100 | <monochrom> | Actually I didn't think of that. Cool trick. :) |
| 2025-11-22 04:44:52 +0100 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-87-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-11-22 04:45:32 +0100 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-11-22 04:46:16 +0100 | <monochrom> | Necessity is the mother of invention. I guess I would think of that if I had 10 lines of "when"s. I had came up with clever uses of foldr and foldM in the past to replace 10 lines of something. |
| 2025-11-22 04:46:49 +0100 | <monochrom> | or some other repetativeness. |
| 2025-11-22 04:47:12 +0100 | <monochrom> | Ugh English. s/came/come/ |
| 2025-11-22 04:47:29 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 04:48:35 +0100 | <monochrom> | I am not sympathetic with young people overreacting and underthinking. |
| 2025-11-22 04:50:27 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://gitlab.haskell.org/Liamzy/haddocks-view/-/blob/master/utils/haddock/haddock-api/src/Haddoc… |
| 2025-11-22 04:50:43 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-11-22 04:51:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i mean this: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/blob/master/utils/haddock/haddock-api/src/Haddock.hs?ref_type… |
| 2025-11-22 04:52:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 04:53:34 +0100 | <monochrom> | Haha that's epic. |
| 2025-11-22 04:54:31 +0100 | <Leary> | I don't see what you gain from that refactor though; a string of `, (<cond>, <action>)` is no better than a string of `when <cond> <action>`. The latter is clear, local, and essentially the same length. |
| 2025-11-22 04:54:51 +0100 | <monochrom> | It probably evolved from just 1 when-clause a long time ago to today's dozens by slowly accreting more when's over the years at the rate of 1 addition per year so at no point anyone would think about it. |
| 2025-11-22 05:02:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 05:03:54 +0100 | fgarcia | (~lei@user/fgarcia) fgarcia |
| 2025-11-22 05:05:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Leary: it makes the string explicit instead of implicit, although i worry about the tuple |
| 2025-11-22 05:06:28 +0100 | <monochrom> | Yeah the tuples would be annoying too. |
| 2025-11-22 05:06:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> also, in theory, the when chain is more portable and reusable as a list |
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| 2025-11-22 05:08:21 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> for instance, if you have the set of conditions constant, you can have the set of flags constant, then generate the response by zipping it with a list of actions |
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| 2025-11-22 05:50:03 +0100 | omidmash | (~omidmash@user/omidmash) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
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| 2025-11-22 05:53:21 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2025-11-22 05:54:06 +0100 | <Comstar> | what's the bridge to |
| 2025-11-22 05:54:26 +0100 | omidmash | (~omidmash@user/omidmash) omidmash |
| 2025-11-22 05:54:33 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:eb5d:86e5:8fa9:c8d4) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-11-22 05:54:48 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:8683:4951:5b82:1f35) |
| 2025-11-22 05:56:11 +0100 | <Comstar> | the whois has a bit.ly with all the connections that's cool. Ty geekosaur for the bridge and documentation! |
| 2025-11-22 06:00:12 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2025-11-22 06:04:23 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 06:05:47 +0100 | Googulator43 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-0231-f56c-45b8-e3c8-fdbd.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-11-22 06:06:13 +0100 | Googulator43 | (~Googulato@85-238-67-234.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 2025-11-22 06:08:17 +0100 | <fgarcia> | Comstar: i think it is #haskell-space on matrix |
| 2025-11-22 06:08:35 +0100 | jreicher | (~user@user/jreicher) jreicher |
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| 2025-11-22 06:11:15 +0100 | <Comstar> | oh? the bitly lists it as being #haskell-irc:matrix.org <-> #haskell, fgarcia |
| 2025-11-22 06:11:23 +0100 | <Comstar> | maybe it's outdated |
| 2025-11-22 06:12:14 +0100 | <fgarcia> | Comstar: i read it from here https://wiki.haskell.org/IRC_channel though things may have changed |
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| 2025-11-22 09:36:25 +0100 | inline__ | Inline |
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| 2025-11-22 10:45:00 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
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| 2025-11-22 10:52:33 +0100 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e71719523cbe3f8115602cb8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2025-11-22 10:52:34 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I have two ForeignPtrs pointing to resources on some external device; the finaliser for ForeignPtr 1 needs ForeignPtr 2 in order to properly free its resource. (FP 2 is some kind of "device context", and FP 1 wraps an "object" on that device.) This means that the finaliser for FP 2 may only start running after the finaliser for FP 1 has fully completed. GHC does not honour ordering dependencies |
| 2025-11-22 10:52:34 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2025-11-22 10:52:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | between finalisers of ForeignPtrs, and this results in crashes in practice for us. Is there some standard pattern I can apply here to still make my code work? |
| 2025-11-22 10:54:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 10:55:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | s/may only start/must only be allowed to start/ |
| 2025-11-22 10:55:48 +0100 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
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| 2025-11-22 11:02:08 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:697a:bc7a:f580:408c) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2025-11-22 11:05:07 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 11:07:43 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:697a:bc7a:f580:408c) |
| 2025-11-22 11:08:22 +0100 | <Leary> | tomsmeding: <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.21.0.0/docs/Foreign-ForeignPtr.html#v:touchForeignPtr>, but based on the docs you might be SOL. |
| 2025-11-22 11:08:32 +0100 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-87-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-11-22 11:08:45 +0100 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-87-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-11-22 11:09:01 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Leary: That documentation is why I came here. :P |
| 2025-11-22 11:09:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I do love the unexpected deadlock situation that the docs describe |
| 2025-11-22 11:09:49 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 11:10:38 +0100 | <Leary> | Well, add more `forkIO`, I guess. |
| 2025-11-22 11:11:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Yes, I'm not scared of a couple more forkIO, but it's a brilliant footgun |
| 2025-11-22 11:12:34 +0100 | X-Scale | (~ARM@6.67.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) X-Scale |
| 2025-11-22 11:15:02 +0100 | <jreicher> | ForkIO Asks a Question... |
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| 2025-11-22 11:35:59 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2025-11-22 11:39:54 +0100 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
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| 2025-11-22 12:14:26 +0100 | Ranhir | (~Ranhir@157.97.53.139) Ranhir |
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| 2025-11-22 12:14:36 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
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| 2025-11-22 12:32:25 +0100 | jreicher | (~user@user/jreicher) (Quit: In transit) |
| 2025-11-22 12:35:50 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-11-22 12:36:22 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 12:36:29 +0100 | <probie> | I think a ref count is a good idea. |
| 2025-11-22 12:37:17 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Quit: ljdarj) |
| 2025-11-22 12:38:59 +0100 | <probie> | f = atomicModifyIORef ref (\x -> (x-1, x <= 1)) >>= (`when` runFP2Cleanup) |
| 2025-11-22 12:39:34 +0100 | <probie> | initialise the ref to 2, add `f` as the last instruction to the finaliser for FP1, and have the finaliser for FP2 just be `f` |
| 2025-11-22 12:40:43 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 12:51:46 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 12:54:43 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | probie: that's also a cute solution |
| 2025-11-22 12:55:52 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | in this case, because of the semantics of the device (it's a GPU), cleaning up FP2 _before_ FP1 implicitly also cleans up FP1, so I implemented some synchronisation so that if the finalizer of FP2 happens to be run first, FP1's finalizer just does nothing |
| 2025-11-22 12:56:38 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 12:56:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (what is actually concretely disallowed is explicitly cleaning up FP1 after FP2, or running the two in parallel) |
| 2025-11-22 12:58:54 +0100 | trickard_ | trickard |
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| 2025-11-22 13:19:38 +0100 | Everything | (~Everythin@88.155.11.254) Everything |
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| 2025-11-22 16:06:08 +0100 | Square3 | (~Square@user/square) Square |
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| 2025-11-22 16:34:13 +0100 | mmaruseacph2 | (~mihai@mihai.page) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 16:35:43 +0100 | mmaruseacph2 | (~mihai@mihai.page) mmaruseacph2 |
| 2025-11-22 16:37:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | fgarcia, Comstar: #haskell-space is a space (group of rooms). #fashell-irc is the actual room |
| 2025-11-22 16:37:26 +0100 | <geekosaur> | #haskell-irc |
| 2025-11-22 16:37:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | still working on first coffee… |
| 2025-11-22 16:40:21 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 16:43:00 +0100 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-11-22 16:44:10 +0100 | kimiamania99 | (~67ff9c12@user/kimiamania) (Quit: PegeLinux) |
| 2025-11-22 16:44:54 +0100 | kimiamania99 | (~67ff9c12@user/kimiamania) kimiamania |
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| 2025-11-22 16:51:16 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
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| 2025-11-22 17:06:22 +0100 | Googulator98 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-0231-f56c-45b8-e3c8-fdbd.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-11-22 17:11:55 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:697a:bc7a:f580:408c) |
| 2025-11-22 17:12:54 +0100 | <EvanR> | fashell sounds like it could be a thing |
| 2025-11-22 17:14:33 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 17:15:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Fashell sounds like the twitter users would call a shell made by someone they don't like |
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| 2025-11-22 17:30:07 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-11-22 17:30:36 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 17:30:55 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 17:31:27 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-11-22 17:41:10 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 17:47:43 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 17:49:53 +0100 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) mreh |
| 2025-11-22 17:51:27 +0100 | sindu | (~sindu@2.148.32.207.tmi.telenormobil.no) |
| 2025-11-22 17:53:44 +0100 | <mreh> | it's been a good PR week for statically typed languages |
| 2025-11-22 17:56:56 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-11-22 17:59:11 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 18:03:46 +0100 | <glguy> | why's that? |
| 2025-11-22 18:04:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 18:04:29 +0100 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 18:07:14 +0100 | kayvank | (~kayvank@52-119-115-185.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net) kayvank |
| 2025-11-22 18:13:49 +0100 | Square3 | (~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 18:14:35 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 18:17:54 +0100 | <mreh> | glguy: referring to the use of unwrap() by Cloudflare which brought down half the internet |
| 2025-11-22 18:18:02 +0100 | <mreh> | (not Haskell, sorry) |
| 2025-11-22 18:18:37 +0100 | <glguy> | oh, ok. what was the link to static types there? |
| 2025-11-22 18:19:04 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 18:19:06 +0100 | <mreh> | unwrap is equivalent to fromJust I suppose |
| 2025-11-22 18:19:30 +0100 | <mreh> | I can't find a searchable log to see if there was any discussion of it |
| 2025-11-22 18:22:32 +0100 | <mreh> | I dont understand the specifics of it, but I think it was called partly to assert some variant that the type couldn't prove. Wish I had more insight. |
| 2025-11-22 18:22:52 +0100 | <EvanR> | what language is unwrap |
| 2025-11-22 18:23:01 +0100 | <gmg> | Rust? |
| 2025-11-22 18:23:09 +0100 | <EvanR> | gross |
| 2025-11-22 18:23:32 +0100 | <EvanR> | sounds like they were thinking of burritos when they named it |
| 2025-11-22 18:23:40 +0100 | <yushyin> | xD |
| 2025-11-22 18:24:07 +0100 | <mreh> | EvanR, gmg, yes Rust |
| 2025-11-22 18:26:59 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-11-22 18:42:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-11-22 18:49:23 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@94.233.240.123) |
| 2025-11-22 18:52:18 +0100 | <monochrom> | I think I remember now, Rust's equivalent of our Maybe type has an unwrap() meaning our fromJust. |
| 2025-11-22 18:53:09 +0100 | <monochrom> | This isn't PR for static typing (Haskell can do the same thing) unless you have dependent typing in mind. |
| 2025-11-22 18:53:43 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@94.233.240.123) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
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| 2025-11-22 18:54:42 +0100 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) califx |
| 2025-11-22 18:54:42 +0100 | <EvanR> | it is PR for logic |
| 2025-11-22 18:55:02 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@94.233.240.123) |
| 2025-11-22 18:55:03 +0100 | <EvanR> | unwrap is illegal unless you have a possibly invisible proof that it's not Nothing or whatever it is in rust |
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| 2025-11-22 18:55:43 +0100 | <monochrom> | I can stand with that. :) |
| 2025-11-22 18:55:45 +0100 | <EvanR> | if you managed to encode all this with dependent types it's not invisible |
| 2025-11-22 18:55:55 +0100 | <EvanR> | which may scare small children |
| 2025-11-22 18:56:55 +0100 | <EvanR> | but that does call into question the "safety" of rust doesn't it |
| 2025-11-22 18:57:46 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 18:58:03 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:8494:f4e8:5c4a:6a4) |
| 2025-11-22 18:58:20 +0100 | <monochrom> | They never claimed safety from partial functions. They only claimed memory safety such as from dangling pointers and double-free. |
| 2025-11-22 18:59:41 +0100 | <monochrom> | "safety", "security", "OOP" are some of the most polymorphic words people use to mean whatever they don't tell you. |
| 2025-11-22 19:00:47 +0100 | <mreh> | you make good points, but most people aren't going to see it that way |
| 2025-11-22 19:01:05 +0100 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) euphores |
| 2025-11-22 19:01:11 +0100 | <mreh> | anyway, I just came to see if people had perspective in a language I understood better |
| 2025-11-22 19:01:23 +0100 | <monochrom> | It's why I'm pessimistic and cynical about humanity altogether. :) |
| 2025-11-22 19:02:07 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:02:28 +0100 | <mreh> | I think pushing hard for Rust to replace mature systems has rather backfired in recent weeks. Make me appreciate this community even more. |
| 2025-11-22 19:02:31 +0100 | <monochrom> | https://www.vex.net/~trebla/humour/pessimisms.html enjoy :) |
| 2025-11-22 19:02:32 +0100 | <mreh> | Makes* |
| 2025-11-22 19:03:02 +0100 | <EvanR> | the invisible proofs thing is a thing I learned in Idris that helps in C. But in rust they think they have nothing to learn from C, and I saw that I learned from everything |
| 2025-11-22 19:03:13 +0100 | <monochrom> | As in, you appreciate that we don't push hard for Haskell? :) |
| 2025-11-22 19:03:48 +0100 | <EvanR> | in fact in helps in any language that allows bogus code |
| 2025-11-22 19:03:54 +0100 | <EvanR> | including haskell |
| 2025-11-22 19:04:14 +0100 | <mreh> | monochrom: seen the "Avoid success at all costs" video from SPJ? |
| 2025-11-22 19:04:23 +0100 | <monochrom> | Actually no. |
| 2025-11-22 19:05:04 +0100 | <mreh> | I think he makes some good points about trying to make a language with mass appeal |
| 2025-11-22 19:06:04 +0100 | <EvanR> | I remember one where he shows a graph of programming language lifetimes |
| 2025-11-22 19:06:12 +0100 | <EvanR> | most die before having more than 1 user |
| 2025-11-22 19:06:27 +0100 | <EvanR> | but some get to the point of "not being allowed to die" because too much code was written in them |
| 2025-11-22 19:06:40 +0100 | <monochrom> | But I agree about being hesistant to replace mature systems. Even when it's a good idea, it needs to be well planned out with multiple backup plans. |
| 2025-11-22 19:07:17 +0100 | <mreh> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re96UgMk6GQ I think it was this talk where he coined that phrase |
| 2025-11-22 19:07:32 +0100 | <EvanR> | the argument to replace C with rust usually involves how bad people are at writing C code |
| 2025-11-22 19:07:39 +0100 | <mreh> | lol |
| 2025-11-22 19:07:40 +0100 | <EvanR> | but more and more it sounds like an argument against people |
| 2025-11-22 19:07:54 +0100 | <mreh> | yeah |
| 2025-11-22 19:08:06 +0100 | <mreh> | this incident rather torpedos that argument |
| 2025-11-22 19:08:07 +0100 | <monochrom> | I agree about being against people, at least most people. |
| 2025-11-22 19:09:43 +0100 | <EvanR> | if it takes 40 years to get good at writing code, maybe that's bad. And the goal is to do something to bring kids up to speed in 10 years or 5 years. But rust doesn't seem to have that in the design |
| 2025-11-22 19:10:59 +0100 | <monochrom> | For example, Dennis Ritchie and Alan Kay are extremely smart people, so when they say unsafe unchecked languages like C and Lisp work great for them, sure. But when they say it will also work for the rest of us because "oh-so flexible, oh-so unleash your creativity" I say no, the rest of us need at least static type checking. |
| 2025-11-22 19:11:13 +0100 | sindu | (~sindu@2.148.32.207.tmi.telenormobil.no) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:11:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | Generally the problem with opinion leaders is that their opinions work great for themselves because they are so smart. Not so great for the rest of us. |
| 2025-11-22 19:12:46 +0100 | sindu | (~sindu@2.148.32.207.tmi.telenormobil.no) |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:08 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:16 +0100 | <mauke> | I know a lot of people who would take issue with "need at least static type checking" (and calling Lisp "unsafe") |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:51 +0100 | <monochrom> | I'm sure. Of course they bought Ritchie's and Kay's opinion. |
| 2025-11-22 19:14:18 +0100 | <monochrom> | Because Ritchie and Kay are opinion leaders. Everyone wants to follow opinion leaders. |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:01 +0100 | <monochrom> | You have heard "history is written by the victors". But have you also considered: Success stories are written by victors. |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:15 +0100 | <mreh> | It's quite lucrative to follow the herd |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:40 +0100 | <monochrom> | Even more sinister if you think about it. |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:43 +0100 | <glguy> | monochrom: I've heard of "survivorship bias" |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | history is written by the victors, except in the US south, but that's another story |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | haha |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:29 +0100 | <Franciman> | who is Victor who write all this stories? :P |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:48 +0100 | sadeq_ir | (~sadeq_ir@5.239.173.93) |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:54 +0100 | <glguy> | That'd be fun to get a history book with two authors having the first name Victor |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:19 +0100 | <monochrom> | haha let me search on Amazon... |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:24 +0100 | <mreh> | aren't vectors why people chose to write Rust in the first place? |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:35 +0100 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:39 +0100 | sadeq_ir | (~sadeq_ir@5.239.173.93) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:59 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:17 +0100 | <monochrom> | "The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won" Victor Davis Hanson |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:34 +0100 | <monochrom> | literally all of: history, won, victor |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:37 +0100 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:58 +0100 | <monochrom> | Oh need two Victors. OK, searching... |
| 2025-11-22 19:20:03 +0100 | <Franciman> | lolol |
| 2025-11-22 19:20:25 +0100 | Everything | (~Everythin@172-232-54-192.ip.linodeusercontent.com) Everything |
| 2025-11-22 19:21:23 +0100 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-11-22 19:23:31 +0100 | <monochrom> | OK Rufus says it can't find one history book with two Victors. |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:06 +0100 | <monochrom> | (And me, I clicked on 10 candidate books, then gave up. Sorry!) |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:30 +0100 | <Franciman> | we had fun, thanks |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:31 +0100 | <glguy> | maybe an llm could haluciate one for you |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:52 +0100 | <int-e> | "AI shopping assistant" |
| 2025-11-22 19:25:21 +0100 | <enikar> | :D |
| 2025-11-22 19:25:46 +0100 | <int-e> | Meanwhile I'll assume that "haluciate" is proper jargon and move on. |
| 2025-11-22 19:26:20 +0100 | <glguy> | I just don't know how to spell |
| 2025-11-22 19:28:00 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 19:29:15 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-11-22 19:31:33 +0100 | <Franciman> | glguy: it may be a nice word to express the concept |
| 2025-11-22 19:31:42 +0100 | <Franciman> | itself produced in the same way |
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| 2025-11-22 19:39:47 +0100 | <EvanR> | halciate is how stable diffusion spells it |
| 2025-11-22 19:39:52 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh |
| 2025-11-22 19:40:06 +0100 | <EvanR> | which will be standard soon |
| 2025-11-22 19:43:01 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
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| 2025-11-22 20:00:50 +0100 | <darkling> | Not to be confused with halloumination, which is when you get bad dreams from eating too much cheese. |
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| 2025-11-22 20:32:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Similar to how there is "forM = flip traverse", is there an common name for "flip fix"? Can't find anything useful in hoogle |
| 2025-11-22 20:32:54 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I like to use it to write one-line cycles like "flip fix initial $ \i next -> ..." |
| 2025-11-22 20:34:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> *\next i (the arguments should be the opposite way) |
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| 2025-11-22 20:35:37 +0100 | tomsmeding | usually writes a self-referential let binding for that |
| 2025-11-22 20:35:39 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 20:35:59 +0100 | <EvanR> | flip fix x y z $ \a b c d -> ... is funny but I could not subject the general public to |
| 2025-11-22 20:36:21 +0100 | <EvanR> | it makes us look like we don't have nice things |
| 2025-11-22 20:37:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Dude rust already has "loop" as an expression, why can't we |
| 2025-11-22 20:37:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | :t Control.Monad.forever |
| 2025-11-22 20:37:20 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Applicative f => f a -> f b |
| 2025-11-22 20:37:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> A self-referential binding is also good, but places emphasis on the binding, which a lot of the times is useless |
| 2025-11-22 20:37:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I can see that |
| 2025-11-22 20:38:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | to wit, recursive helper functions named 'go' |
| 2025-11-22 20:38:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Yeah, sometimes I have goList1, goList2, goTree etc if there are too many structures to fold |
| 2025-11-22 20:39:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Or used to have this until I learned this fix trick |
| 2025-11-22 20:39:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | at that point the names actually start becoming useful, IMO |
| 2025-11-22 20:39:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | or at least, I like seeing the point where you recurse into a different structure |
| 2025-11-22 20:39:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Mm not really, it's just "let var1 = goList1 list1" for every |
| 2025-11-22 20:39:54 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | maybe my brain is not big enough yet |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Haha |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:11 +0100 | <EvanR> | please give me a recursion combinator |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> When I do this I imagine myself an imperative grug |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ω ω |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:34 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Because it is just a while loop expressed with functions |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:41 +0100 | <EvanR> | which does the exact pattern I need at this moment |
| 2025-11-22 20:40:52 +0100 | <EvanR> | with a pithy name |
| 2025-11-22 20:41:01 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 20:41:06 +0100 | <EvanR> | if pithy not available a bird will do |
| 2025-11-22 20:41:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I was gonna say, we need a data-aviary version of recursion-schemes |
| 2025-11-22 20:45:00 +0100 | <chromoblob> | (`fix` initial) $ \next i -> ... |
| 2025-11-22 20:46:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> As if the general public wasn't frightened enough.. |
| 2025-11-22 20:46:57 +0100 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2025-11-22 20:47:02 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 20:48:50 +0100 | <EvanR> | frighten wasn't the emotion I was thinking of |
| 2025-11-22 20:49:25 +0100 | <EvanR> | and the general public I was thinking of was haskell programmers not the mailman |
| 2025-11-22 20:49:32 +0100 | <chromoblob> | i'm more frightened by flip f b a, it feels like a redirected thread in my head, like __s--- |
| 2025-11-22 20:50:32 +0100 | <EvanR> | a single flip is good for party tricks |
| 2025-11-22 20:50:33 +0100 | <chromoblob> | i guess i don't accept "flip" as a standard function. who and when would want to reorder arguments |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:02 +0100 | <EvanR> | sometimes the order of arguments doesn't have 1 best choice |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:13 +0100 | <EvanR> | so you can't blame the person who defined it |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:16 +0100 | <chromoblob> | then have two names for two orders |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I agree with you, that's why I was asking if this pattern is known and has a better named combinator :-) |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:46 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 20:51:53 +0100 | <chromoblob> | or use points: (\a b -> (...) b a) ... |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:01 +0100 | <EvanR> | yeah |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:05 +0100 | <EvanR> | and you can define it like this |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:07 +0100 | <EvanR> | g = flip f |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:11 +0100 | <EvanR> | \o/ |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:26 +0100 | <EvanR> | @src forM |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:26 +0100 | <lambdabot> | forM = flip mapM |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:26 +0100 | <chromoblob> | ohh |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:47 +0100 | Nachtgespenst | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
| 2025-11-22 20:52:47 +0100 | <EvanR> | this is a great usecase for flip |
| 2025-11-22 20:53:28 +0100 | <chromoblob> | why isn't there more flips - flip3_1, flip3_2, ..., flip3_6 |
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| 2025-11-22 20:53:59 +0100 | <EvanR> | do you mean n factorial flips for each N |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:01 +0100 | <chromoblob> | or one could call them like: abcToAcb, abcToBac, ... |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:26 +0100 | <chromoblob> | yes |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:34 +0100 | <EvanR> | at this point use nonpointless form |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:36 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:1c0f:7b0:178a:6f00) |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | g a b c d e = f c d e a b |
| 2025-11-22 20:54:53 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I have flashbacks to a system which had those factorial-flips, but I erased it from my memory |
| 2025-11-22 20:55:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Was it in qt for signals |
| 2025-11-22 20:56:25 +0100 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 20:57:04 +0100 | falafel | (~falafel@2603:8000:ca00:83fb:1db5:6d25:28c0:7c1c) falafel |
| 2025-11-22 21:00:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> God damn it, why does curl not hit a captcha, but http-client-tls does |
| 2025-11-22 21:00:37 +0100 | raym_ | (~ray@user/raym) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 21:02:24 +0100 | <[exa]> | Morj: it's curl, it has authenticated as a bot, no need to captcha! |
| 2025-11-22 21:02:31 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 21:02:38 +0100 | raym | (~ray@user/raym) raym |
| 2025-11-22 21:07:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |