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| 2025-07-09 03:27:44 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2025-07-09 03:52:03 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-07-09 03:57:12 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) |
| 2025-07-09 03:58:30 +0200 | <Axman6> | What's the state of the art for wrapping C libraries these days? I'd love to be able to just chuck a C header at some tool and get corresponding definitions in Haskell, but afaiui that's not how any of the tools work, right? |
| 2025-07-09 04:00:05 +0200 | <glguy> | is this what AI is for? poorly done FFI? |
| 2025-07-09 04:00:53 +0200 | <glguy> | I hadn't heard of an interesting advances in C bindings |
| 2025-07-09 04:01:01 +0200 | <glguy> | any* |
| 2025-07-09 04:03:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | c2hs works that way. the problem is that C function definitions are ambiguous when it comes to pointers |
| 2025-07-09 04:04:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | are they arrays? "out" parameters? is a double indirection a mutable array, an array of arrays, or an "out" array? |
| 2025-07-09 04:04:44 +0200 | <glguy> | the couple times I tried c2hs it took me longer to get it to do what I wanted that to do it manually |
| 2025-07-09 04:05:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ghc2hs and successors use a modified c2hs, but the headers they read are generated from an API spec and are commented with the missing information |
| 2025-07-09 04:07:20 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34 |
| 2025-07-09 04:07:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | basically, C types are so primitive that you really need to study the API of the function you're binding and write the correct marshaling code yourself |
| 2025-07-09 04:07:51 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-07-09 04:08:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | unless you can pull the gtk2hsc2hs trick and work (directly or indirectly) from an API spec that has all the information you need to write it properly |
| 2025-07-09 04:14:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-07-09 04:15:18 +0200 | poscat0x04 | (~poscat@user/poscat) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-07-09 04:16:15 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2025-07-09 04:16:27 +0200 | <Axman6> | geekosaur: just wrapping all the structs/non-function types would be enough for me |
| 2025-07-09 04:17:10 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34 |
| 2025-07-09 04:17:28 +0200 | <Axman6> | The other big problem that I've run into is wanting to wrapp macOS libraries, which often use Apple's blocks syntax, which none of the tools seem to know about |
| 2025-07-09 04:17:41 +0200 | <Axman6> | s/pp/p |
| 2025-07-09 04:17:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | c2hs should mostly be able to do that unless they do things like making variable length structs (which I think is either technically illegal or barely legal) with the last element extending past the end of the declared part |
| 2025-07-09 04:18:33 +0200 | poscat | (~poscat@user/poscat) poscat |
| 2025-07-09 04:19:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | C's just evil |
| 2025-07-09 04:20:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I wrote a lot of C code between 1985 and 2016) |
| 2025-07-09 04:21:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and yeh, nobody supports blocks. I thiiiink Apple tried to get them standardized but they chose a different extension instead? |
| 2025-07-09 04:22:20 +0200 | <glguy> | were blocks meant to be used outside of ObjC? |
| 2025-07-09 04:22:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Apple added them to clang |
| 2025-07-09 04:22:36 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2025-07-09 04:23:09 +0200 | dtman34 | (~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34 |
| 2025-07-09 04:23:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | last I heard the C standard committee was considering importing C++'s lambda syntax |
| 2025-07-09 04:23:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but hadn't made a decision yet |
| 2025-07-09 04:24:06 +0200 | <glguy> | with captures? |
| 2025-07-09 04:24:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | don't recall |
| 2025-07-09 04:24:23 +0200 | <geekosaur> | probably not since C can't do them right |
| 2025-07-09 04:24:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hence "syntax" |
| 2025-07-09 04:24:43 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-07-09 04:25:54 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-07-09 04:26:14 +0200 | td_ | (~td@i53870933.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2025-07-09 04:27:30 +0200 | <Axman6> | Hmm, looks like I made more progress on getting this stuff work than I thought I did, looking at my old code. I at least got enums... |
| 2025-07-09 04:27:59 +0200 | td_ | (~td@i5387091B.versanet.de) |