2025/06/20

2025-06-20 00:00:48 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 00:02:30 +0200dhil(~dhil@5.151.29.140) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:03:25 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-227.res.spectrum.com) hackager
2025-06-20 00:03:25 +0200ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2025-06-20 00:05:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:16:35 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 00:18:09 +0200CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:18:38 +0200Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Quit: irc.renjuan.org (juan@acm.org))
2025-06-20 00:22:11 +0200raym(~ray@user/raym) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:22:36 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-06-20 00:22:37 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-227.res.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 00:23:17 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:24:46 +0200infinity0(~infinity0@pwned.gg) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:25:44 +0200soverysour(~soverysou@84.232.150.235)
2025-06-20 00:25:44 +0200soverysour(~soverysou@84.232.150.235) (Changing host)
2025-06-20 00:25:44 +0200soverysour(~soverysou@user/soverysour) soverysour
2025-06-20 00:29:31 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-227.res.spectrum.com) hackager
2025-06-20 00:29:31 +0200ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2025-06-20 00:30:04 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-06-20 00:31:10 +0200soverysour(~soverysou@user/soverysour) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:34:39 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 00:37:06 +0200user363627(~user@user/user363627) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2025-06-20 00:39:43 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:44:56 +0200infinity0(~infinity0@pwned.gg) infinity0
2025-06-20 00:48:17 +0200tmciver(~tim@syn-198-255-177-240.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:49:15 +0200tmciver(~tim@syn-198-255-177-240.res.spectrum.com) tmciver
2025-06-20 00:50:24 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 00:51:29 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:55:01 +0200tpb2(~tpb@user/frostspanner) frostspanner
2025-06-20 00:56:16 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 00:59:58 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:00:04 +0200humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net)
2025-06-20 01:01:15 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 01:02:04 +0200trickard(~trickard@cpe-49-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:05:04 +0200caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:06:33 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 01:07:41 +0200humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
2025-06-20 01:10:58 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:11:00 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:4857:4086:42cd:fdac) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:16:44 +0200 <geekosaur> taking everything down to set up another router
2025-06-20 01:16:47 +0200caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-06-20 01:16:53 +0200notzmv(~umar@user/notzmv) notzmv
2025-06-20 01:17:04 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-227.res.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 01:19:33 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 01:20:48 +0200eL_Bart0(eL_Bart02@dietunichtguten.org)
2025-06-20 01:23:08 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:4857:4086:42cd:fdac)
2025-06-20 01:24:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:28:57 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2acfe.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:30:15 +0200ft(~ft@p3e9bc32c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 01:35:20 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 01:37:43 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:38:40 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-06-20 01:38:45 +0200tmciver(~tim@syn-198-255-177-240.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:39:34 +0200tmciver(~tim@syn-198-255-177-240.res.spectrum.com) tmciver
2025-06-20 01:40:01 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:40:58 +0200Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-06-20 01:41:54 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:42:21 +0200Lord_of_Life_Lord_of_Life
2025-06-20 01:42:45 +0200notzmv(~umar@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:50:44 +0200trickard_trickard
2025-06-20 01:51:08 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 01:54:17 +0200user363627(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2025-06-20 01:57:01 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-06-20 01:58:09 +0200acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e70b668704812f95fe3678e1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:03:02 +0200jespada(~jespada@179.26.250.100) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:06:09 +0200Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:07:43 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 02:09:45 +0200poscat0x04(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2025-06-20 02:10:08 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-06-20 02:10:09 +0200poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:11:52 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-06-20 02:12:11 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:21:45 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) hackager
2025-06-20 02:21:46 +0200ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2025-06-20 02:23:05 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 02:24:54 +0200 <geekosaur> okay, let's see how this works
2025-06-20 02:28:15 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:38:51 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 02:42:01 +0200machinedgod(~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:43:41 +0200j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-06-20 02:43:44 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:44:34 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:50:28 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-06-20 02:50:35 +0200j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:54:39 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 02:56:21 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:4857:4086:42cd:fdac) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 02:59:02 +0200tpb2(~tpb@user/frostspanner) (Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3)
2025-06-20 03:00:13 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:02:09 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:06:52 +0200hsw(~hsw@106.104.103.23) hsw
2025-06-20 03:11:30 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-06-20 03:12:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 03:15:09 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 03:16:17 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2025-06-20 03:17:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:18:38 +0200arahael(~arahael@user/arahael) arahael
2025-06-20 03:18:56 +0200tmciver(~tim@syn-198-255-177-240.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:19:21 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 03:19:28 +0200L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Read error: Connection timed out)
2025-06-20 03:20:01 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2025-06-20 03:20:29 +0200user363627(~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 03:20:33 +0200L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
2025-06-20 03:28:28 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 03:33:31 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:35:26 +0200OftenFaded(~OftenFade@user/tisktisk) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-06-20 03:38:27 +0200ft(~ft@p3e9bc32c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:44:16 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 03:47:00 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:47:19 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-06-20 03:49:31 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:50:10 +0200ft(~ft@p3e9bc5d2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 03:53:39 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp)
2025-06-20 03:56:19 +0200ft(~ft@p3e9bc5d2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 03:57:06 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2ad17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 04:00:02 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 04:00:07 +0200Square(~Square@user/square) Square
2025-06-20 04:00:45 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) gabiruh
2025-06-20 04:02:44 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2ad17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 04:03:31 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2a29b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 04:05:09 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 04:12:39 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 04:12:40 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 04:15:48 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 04:19:32 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) hackager
2025-06-20 04:19:33 +0200ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2025-06-20 04:21:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-06-20 04:23:24 +0200humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2025-06-20 04:23:47 +0200Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 04:24:23 +0200hsw(~hsw@106.104.103.23) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-06-20 04:26:49 +0200humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Client Quit)
2025-06-20 04:31:36 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 04:37:15 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 04:38:27 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-06-20 04:40:38 +0200haskellbridge(~hackager@syn-096-028-224-214.res.spectrum.com) hackager
2025-06-20 04:40:39 +0200ChanServ+v haskellbridge
2025-06-20 04:49:39 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 04:51:24 +0200ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-06-20 04:54:39 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:05:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 05:06:07 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:06:35 +0200pyooque(~puke@user/puke) puke
2025-06-20 05:06:35 +0200pukeGuest9091
2025-06-20 05:06:35 +0200Guest9091(~puke@user/puke) (Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services)))
2025-06-20 05:06:35 +0200pyooquepuke
2025-06-20 05:06:45 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) gabiruh
2025-06-20 05:10:51 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:16:39 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:17:32 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-06-20 05:18:43 +0200inline(~inline@ip-005-146-196-202.um05.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-06-20 05:20:55 +0200aforemny_(~aforemny@i59F4C7AE.versanet.de) aforemny
2025-06-20 05:20:56 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 05:22:04 +0200aforemny(~aforemny@2001:9e8:6ce2:ce00:a839:54d1:1188:f48b) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:22:39 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:25:26 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:25:56 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:26:28 +0200 <geekosaur> dammit, still bouncing
2025-06-20 05:27:24 +0200 <geekosaur> oddly, it isn't showing in the logs at all
2025-06-20 05:27:35 +0200inline(~inline@ip-005-146-196-202.um05.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2025-06-20 05:29:23 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) gabiruh
2025-06-20 05:34:42 +0200ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:36:43 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 05:41:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:43:39 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 05:52:32 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 05:56:18 +0200trickard(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 05:56:31 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 05:57:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:00:49 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) gabiruh
2025-06-20 06:04:15 +0200jathan(~jathan@69.61.93.38) (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)
2025-06-20 06:06:11 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-06-20 06:08:09 +0200gabiruh(~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:08:20 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 06:15:42 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:26:23 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 06:31:02 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:38:45 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2a29b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:39:51 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 06:40:05 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 06:40:44 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2a37c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 06:41:53 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 06:46:50 +0200ft(~ft@p4fc2a37c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:48:24 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:48:39 +0200ft(~ft@p508dbee8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 06:50:03 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 06:56:48 +0200user0(~user0@user/plague) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 06:58:34 +0200ft(~ft@p508dbee8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-06-20 07:00:12 +0200ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 07:00:37 +0200ft(~ft@p3e9bc586.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-06-20 07:00:42 +0200ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) ChaiTRex
2025-06-20 07:01:45 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 07:07:07 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 07:10:39 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 07:11:04 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
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2025-06-20 11:50:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I need some input from somebody with type-fool knowledge
2025-06-20 11:50:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> https://play.haskell.org/saved/vc4ycTs6
2025-06-20 11:50:55 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> In particular, the definitions of bar and baz
2025-06-20 11:51:17 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I’d like GHC to infer the HasField instances via divide2 automatically, but it is stumped
2025-06-20 11:51:27 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I tried the r1 ~ r2 trick, but that does not seem to work
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2025-06-20 11:53:15 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I feel like it should be possible in principle
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2025-06-20 11:56:21 +0200 <ames> this is just a monomorphism restriction thing
2025-06-20 11:57:14 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> ames: Oh you mean cause GHC needs to infer monomorphic types for toplevel
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2025-06-20 11:58:03 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I want to make use of Divisible contravariants ergonomic, but without too much overloading going on; I guess if I just use it somewhere in code it should be fine
2025-06-20 11:58:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> ames: But then again, ideally HLS could infer the function signature nonetheless
2025-06-20 11:58:58 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> cause it should follow directly from the definition of divide2
2025-06-20 11:59:28 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 11:59:47 +0200 <ames> well the problem is exactly that it's not a function and ghc does not want to make it one by quantifying over your HasField(s)
2025-06-20 12:00:00 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> what’s not a function?
2025-06-20 12:00:16 +0200 <ames> baz
2025-06-20 12:01:40 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> ames: ohh! if I reformulate as baz bar = divide2 #foo stringT #bar bar
2025-06-20 12:01:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> It does work
2025-06-20 12:02:39 +0200 <ames> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/monomorphism.html
2025-06-20 12:05:12 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> ames: Can I specify a type defaulting rule for this function?
2025-06-20 12:05:59 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> No I guess that’s only if I control the type class
2025-06-20 12:09:09 +0200 <ames> i don't know really how defaulting works and i don't want to find out either i consider it a misfeature
2025-06-20 12:12:46 +0200 <ames> but like is there an actual problem here? if you turn off the monomorphism restriction or just add a dummy argument to baz ghc infers exactly the type you want (± the dummy argument, i guess)
2025-06-20 12:13:28 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> field :: forall f l a b. (Contravariant f, HasField l a b) => LabelPrx l -> f b -> f a
2025-06-20 12:13:28 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> field LabelPrx a = getField @l >$< a
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2025-06-20 12:13:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> bar _ = field #foo textT <> "foo" <> (field #bar naturalDecimalT)
2025-06-20 12:13:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> bar :: (HasField "foo" a Text, HasField "bar" a Natural) => p -> TextBuilder a
2025-06-20 12:14:17 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> Things are looking bright for contravariant syntax
2025-06-20 12:14:29 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-20 12:14:42 +0200 <tomsmeding> defaulting is for guessing an instantiation for an ambiguous type variable based on the type class constraints on that variable
2025-06-20 12:14:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> doesn't sound relevant here
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2025-06-20 12:16:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> Profpatch: "because it follows directly from the definition of divide2" -- no, how the type inference algorithm works is it first instantiates all forall quantifiers with unknown type variables ("unification variables"), collects all constraints arising from your program and instantiates type variables in order to satisfy the constraints, and then looks at the result
2025-06-20 12:17:35 +0200 <tomsmeding> then, if a function definition without a type signature still has unknown unification variables, they are implicitly "generalised" by introducing a forall quantifier for them
2025-06-20 12:17:43 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 12:17:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> any constraints that existed on them become constraints on the function
2025-06-20 12:18:10 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 12:18:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> if the monomorphism restriction is enabled, GHC will only do this final generalisation process for things that are already functions, i.e. have >=1 argument
2025-06-20 12:18:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> because those constraints become actual arguments at runtime (dictionary translation), and hence for a non-function, that generalisation process would _make it a function_
2025-06-20 12:19:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> a non-function has the interesting property that once evaluated, it will not be evaluated again; when it's a (polymorphic) function, every use will implicitly apply it to its type class dictionaries, and hence it will be recomputed at every use site
2025-06-20 12:19:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> because this can be a very unexpected and undesirable introduction of recomputation (and hence slowness), GHC refuses to do this by default
2025-06-20 12:21:22 +0200 <tomsmeding> Profpatsch: here is an alternative: write `baz :: _ => Build r` and enable -XPartialTypeSignatures, and perhaps set -Wno-partial-type-signatures
2025-06-20 12:21:39 +0200 <tomsmeding> that will cause GHC to infer the polymorphic type, without you having to write out the constraints
2025-06-20 12:22:01 +0200 <tomsmeding> and without having to disable the monomorphism restriction, which is a rather big hammer that you'd like to leave sowed away if possible
2025-06-20 12:22:09 +0200 <tomsmeding> *stowed
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2025-06-20 12:24:34 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> tomsmeding: takk for explanation
2025-06-20 12:24:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I added an _ to coerce it to a function and now it works
2025-06-20 12:25:14 +0200 <tomsmeding> if that works for you, then that's a solution too, indeed
2025-06-20 12:25:34 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I think I’m also, like, the first person to find a dual to "do" notation for Divide?
2025-06-20 12:25:40 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I haven’t seen it before
2025-06-20 12:26:08 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> It’s like a holy grail that was just lying on the floor in the corner somewhere
2025-06-20 12:28:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> side-note: I highly doubt that 'INLINE divide2' pragma is necessary
2025-06-20 12:29:58 +0200 <tomsmeding> Profpatsch: first time looking at contravariant, but isn't 'adapt >$< a `divided` b' the same as 'divide adapt a b'
2025-06-20 12:31:49 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> probably
2025-06-20 12:32:30 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Profpatsch> I don’t much care for games of find the prettier definition
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2025-06-20 12:43:16 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-06-20 12:46:17 +0200prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 12:55:14 +0200trickard(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 12:55:28 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 13:01:27 +0200jespada(~jespada@r167-61-135-10.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) jespada
2025-06-20 13:10:29 +0200Square(~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 13:17:08 +0200prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-06-20 13:22:50 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 13:23:03 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 13:44:02 +0200__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving)
2025-06-20 13:47:12 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-06-20 13:47:25 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-60-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-06-20 13:58:22 +0200end(~end@user/end/x-0094621) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-06-20 13:58:23 +0200bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-06-20 13:59:56 +0200trickard_trickard
2025-06-20 14:00:52 +0200Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2025-06-20 14:02:14 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:02:33 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:05:17 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-06-20 14:08:19 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-06-20 14:12:39 +0200wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot
2025-06-20 14:14:52 +0200jespada(~jespada@r167-61-135-10.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-06-20 14:17:32 +0200j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-06-20 14:18:09 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:18:50 +0200jespada(~jespada@r167-61-135-10.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) jespada
2025-06-20 14:19:20 +0200bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) bcksl
2025-06-20 14:21:34 +0200poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-06-20 14:21:50 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:23:10 +0200iteratee_(~kyle@199.119.84.78)
2025-06-20 14:23:10 +0200bgamari(~bgamari@64.223.225.174)
2025-06-20 14:23:29 +0200poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2025-06-20 14:23:47 +0200bgamari_(~bgamari@64.223.225.174) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:26:04 +0200iteratee(~kyle@199.119.84.78) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-06-20 14:26:26 +0200end(~end@user/end/x-0094621) end^
2025-06-20 14:26:54 +0200haritz(~hrtz@2a01:4b00:bc2e:7000:d5af:a266:ca31:5ef8)
2025-06-20 14:26:54 +0200haritz(~hrtz@2a01:4b00:bc2e:7000:d5af:a266:ca31:5ef8) (Changing host)
2025-06-20 14:26:54 +0200haritz(~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz