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2025-05-16 00:02:08 +0200 <monochrom> Yes. But macOS is not okay, hence the frequent cycle.
2025-05-16 00:02:59 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 00:03:41 +0200tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:a44a:50e6:3df5:3b66) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-05-16 00:07:54 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-05-16 00:09:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> merijn's IRC client is making low traffic channels less usable for me
2025-05-16 00:10:52 +0200sprotte24(~sprotte24@p200300d16f0fe6004d89544af78e53f5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-05-16 00:18:45 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 00:21:42 +0200 <tomsmeding> go complain at your irc client vendor to implement a feature hiding join/leave events if those nicks aren't saying anything anyway
2025-05-16 00:21:45 +0200 <tomsmeding> (weechat has this built in)
2025-05-16 00:23:51 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-05-16 00:24:05 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I can hide them of course, but then I lose useful information about drive by questions etc. I think it's bad form to be constantly joining/leaving 24/7
2025-05-16 00:24:34 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> together with being unresponsive
2025-05-16 00:25:40 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) (Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in)
2025-05-16 00:25:44 +0200sabathan2(~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2025-05-16 00:28:03 +0200 <int-e> . o O ( irssi could do /ignore merijn JOINS PARTS QUITS )
2025-05-16 00:28:34 +0200 <hellwolf> thank you, ityped that in rcirc, and now my toaster is on
2025-05-16 00:29:11 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) dolio
2025-05-16 00:33:22 +0200sabathan2(~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2025-05-16 00:34:32 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 00:34:32 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) (Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in)
2025-05-16 00:35:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> (example:)
2025-05-16 00:35:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/matrix.org/SjmkPwmlbSGWXycvLvhVfyJJ/_Ishca76mvI/image.png
2025-05-16 00:39:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-05-16 00:41:39 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) dolio
2025-05-16 00:50:06 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 00:54:36 +0200nullobject(~josh@user/nullobject) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-05-16 00:54:57 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-16 00:56:13 +0200 <TMA> sm: it might not be the client but the ISP that is too aggressive to drop "inactive" TCP streams
2025-05-16 00:56:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> 👍️
2025-05-16 00:56:44 +0200jmorris(uid604645@id-604645.hampstead.irccloud.com) jmorris
2025-05-16 00:57:19 +0200machinedgod(~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-05-16 00:57:24 +0200 <TMA> the default of sending keepalive packets is about an hour
2025-05-16 00:58:38 +0200 <TMA> but some routers/NATs are configured to drop the connection (without bothering to announce it properly via ICMP) in several minutes
2025-05-16 01:00:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> merijn's connected durations aren't all exactly 5m, but close to it
2025-05-16 01:00:51 +0200 <Leary> sm: This is why I like glirc: https://i.imgur.com/yWsxm95.png
2025-05-16 01:01:31 +0200 <TMA> you can tell if it is the case by speaking in merijn-connected channel periodically and observing whether they disconnect approx 5 minutes after you stop
2025-05-16 01:01:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> and they reconnect not always but usually after 11m
2025-05-16 01:02:40 +0200 <TMA> that looks like autoreconnect with 10 minutes timeout and 1 minute for recognizing the disconnection
2025-05-16 01:05:53 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 01:06:00 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> reconnecting in.. boom
2025-05-16 01:06:56 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> it'll disconnect in 5m regardless of us talking I think
2025-05-16 01:07:00 +0200sabathan2(~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2025-05-16 01:07:45 +0200 <sm> merijn, pinging you again about your IRC connection, please respond if you can see this
2025-05-16 01:08:05 +0200manwithluck(~manwithlu@2a09:bac5:5084:2387::38a:3b) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:08:38 +0200manwithluck(~manwithlu@2a09:bac5:5082:2387::38a:10) manwithluck
2025-05-16 01:10:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> disconnecting in 5.. 4..
2025-05-16 01:11:06 +0200Clintsquints.
2025-05-16 01:11:13 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:11:18 +0200 <Clint> close enough
2025-05-16 01:13:21 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> merijn didn't respond last time I pinged, maybe an IRC op could reach them ?
2025-05-16 01:15:46 +0200 <TMA> my theory is invalidated
2025-05-16 01:16:50 +0200 <EvanR> sm: the C channel soft kickbans you if you leave and join twice too quickly
2025-05-16 01:20:01 +0200Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.)
2025-05-16 01:20:25 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:20:31 +0200Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
2025-05-16 01:21:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 01:21:54 +0200Lord_of_Life_Lord_of_Life
2025-05-16 01:22:40 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-05-16 01:25:55 +0200 <monochrom> A long time ago merijn explained it. Something about macOS going to sleep then waking up on LAN.
2025-05-16 01:26:11 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> 👀
2025-05-16 01:26:34 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:26:41 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> perhaps he should use a bouncer like me ?
2025-05-16 01:27:27 +0200 <monochrom> I use a bouncer, but I don't want to be imposing and say "everyone must shell out extra money for an extra PC or shell account to run a bouncer".
2025-05-16 01:27:41 +0200weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2025-05-16 01:27:50 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> or configure his mac differently ? or his irc client ? out of kind regard for the room ?
2025-05-16 01:28:55 +0200 <monochrom> But you can count me biased because I am not affected by other people frequently cycling.
2025-05-16 01:28:56 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I mean, intermittent 5m slices of channel history isn't very useful to him either
2025-05-16 01:29:45 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I will drop this urgent matter for now :)
2025-05-16 01:30:08 +0200 <monochrom> Oh, I have long accepted that people who learn from history are bound to helplessly watch other people repeat it!
2025-05-16 01:30:19 +0200 <int-e> I for one am more bothered by this discussion than by merijns rejoins and no, I'm not ignoring those. Why? Because they don't show up as channel activity.
2025-05-16 01:30:46 +0200 <int-e> And it's pretty far off topic.
2025-05-16 01:31:24 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> They do for some of us int-e, as in my screenshot. Having to turn those off entirely and sacrifice all join/leave awareness because of one person's config is silly, don't you think ?
2025-05-16 01:31:59 +0200 <int-e> they're in the (back-)log, but the channel doesn't show as active when somebody parts or joins
2025-05-16 01:32:22 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I don't know what that means, it sounds client specific
2025-05-16 01:32:43 +0200 <int-e> this entire "problem" is client specific
2025-05-16 01:32:49 +0200int-eshrugs
2025-05-16 01:33:01 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> sure, but the root cause is merijn
2025-05-16 01:33:19 +0200acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f453148b790f5eba778.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:33:53 +0200flounders(~flounders@2607:fb90:ee09:4f99:c6b8:4dd2:346a:a4b4) flounders
2025-05-16 01:34:15 +0200 <EvanR> yeah a specific client could discard specifically merijn's join quits
2025-05-16 01:34:45 +0200 <EvanR> and fixing merijn's connection will not save you from it happening to some random other person, but a specific client would
2025-05-16 01:34:48 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-05-16 01:35:23 +0200 <EvanR> another improvement discord made on IRC, no one knows who joined or quit xD
2025-05-16 01:37:28 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-05-16 01:38:12 +0200sajenim(~sajenim@user/sajenim) sajenim
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