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| 2025-04-22 01:46:23 +0200 | <EvanR> | There is a 27-state turing machine which halts if and only if goldbach's conjecture is true |
| 2025-04-22 01:51:06 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@94.156.149.91) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 01:52:11 +0200 | <EvanR> | does this mean if you know the running time of the 27-state busy beaver that you know the answer to goldbach's conjecture |
| 2025-04-22 01:53:42 +0200 | <TMA> | you can decide by running it for the 27-beaver steps |
| 2025-04-22 01:54:00 +0200 | Guest49 | (~Guest49@astrolabe.plus.com) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-04-22 01:54:38 +0200 | <TMA> | so, you do not know it immediately, but you know it in theory, because only finite many steps are missing |
| 2025-04-22 01:55:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 01:55:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | what's the difference between "halts" and "halts in a finite but possibly unbounded amount of time" |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | fininte but possibly unbounded? |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I know I got the terminology wrong there |
| 2025-04-22 01:56:42 +0200 | <TMA> | a k-state TM that halts halts in at most BB(k) steps |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but if it runs for 10^60 years, do you really know the answer from its running time? |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:25 +0200 | <EvanR> | yeah "you know it in theory" is funny |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:37 +0200 | <TMA> | in theory there is no difference between theory and praxis |
| 2025-04-22 01:57:55 +0200 | <TMA> | in praxis the difference tends to be immense |
| 2025-04-22 01:58:43 +0200 | <TMA> | mathematics does not concern itself with praxis though :) |
| 2025-04-22 01:58:53 +0200 | <TMA> | that's for engineers |
| 2025-04-22 01:59:10 +0200 | <EvanR> | with this clarification of what's what, I think the answer to my question is "no" |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | also |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:15 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:27 +0200 | <EvanR> | "knowing" what this 27-beaver number is is funny |
| 2025-04-22 02:00:47 +0200 | <EvanR> | would it be like something with scientific notation, or something that defies notation because it's so big |
| 2025-04-22 02:01:33 +0200 | <EvanR> | in which case I'm not sure what knowing entails |
| 2025-04-22 02:03:56 +0200 | foul_owl | (~kerry@174-21-146-90.tukw.qwest.net) foul_owl |
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| 2025-04-22 02:04:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | which leads me to question if you can "know" what the value 2834528348238485234593452341237645 is |
| 2025-04-22 02:05:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | maybe inventing a new annoying form of ultrafinitism |
| 2025-04-22 02:05:51 +0200 | <TMA> | S(6) > 10 ^^ 15 (^^ is tetration) |
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| 2025-04-22 02:11:56 +0200 | Googulator92 | (~Googulato@94-21-172-228.pool.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
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| 2025-04-22 02:12:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-04-22 02:26:08 +0200 | tt12310978324354 | (~tt1231@syn-075-185-104-199.res.spectrum.com) tt1231 |
| 2025-04-22 02:26:46 +0200 | <monochrom> | Huh, I disagree. In whose theory there is no difference? Because in my theory, there is already a difference, I try very hard to have/use honest theories. |
| 2025-04-22 02:27:26 +0200 | <monochrom> | Because if it is your theory that says there is no difference, then the problem is with you, not with the idea of having theories. |
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| 2025-04-22 02:30:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | But yes the running time of that 27-state machine should tell you quite something about the answer to goldbach's conjecture. I don't know the machine itself so I don't know what it will tell you. |
| 2025-04-22 02:31:35 +0200 | ezzieyguywuf | (~Unknown@user/ezzieyguywuf) ezzieyguywuf |
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| 2025-04-22 02:38:15 +0200 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:1700:69cf:9000:887e:630e:324f:f9fb) |
| 2025-04-22 02:44:51 +0200 | <EvanR> | "the" machine with 27-states is unrelated, just that it halts is the important part, and that nothing runs longer without running forever |
| 2025-04-22 02:45:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | actually there was at least two machines with that number of states discussed |
| 2025-04-22 02:45:59 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-04-22 02:49:27 +0200 | <EvanR> | the goldbach one may not halt ("probably not" according to heuristics) |
| 2025-04-22 02:49:51 +0200 | <monochrom> | Ah OK so is this the plan? Race the/a Goldbach machine (it has 27 states) against BB(27). We gain information from which one finishes first. |
| 2025-04-22 02:50:16 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 02:50:35 +0200 | <monochrom> | May be merely 1 bit for all that trouble. :) |
| 2025-04-22 02:50:57 +0200 | <EvanR> | a pretty valuable bit though, how much prize money |
| 2025-04-22 02:51:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | grad students are much cheaper and faster >:) |
| 2025-04-22 02:52:29 +0200 | <EvanR> | ok like a million dollars |
| 2025-04-22 02:52:37 +0200 | <monochrom> | (then trying to run BB(27)) |
| 2025-04-22 02:52:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | ( s/then/than/ ) |
| 2025-04-22 02:54:02 +0200 | <EvanR> | I see that your plan is different from anything discussed above |
| 2025-04-22 02:54:22 +0200 | <EvanR> | I was like what if you know, you're like, race two machines |
| 2025-04-22 02:54:32 +0200 | <EvanR> | much more dramatic |
| 2025-04-22 02:54:38 +0200 | <monochrom> | heh |
| 2025-04-22 02:55:15 +0200 | <EvanR> | one involved the number BB(27) and the other involves a machine with that runtime |
| 2025-04-22 02:55:22 +0200 | <monochrom> | If you know the running time of BB(27), then you no longer have to race, you run only the Goldbach machine and you know how long to wait. |
| 2025-04-22 02:56:13 +0200 | <monochrom> | Alternatively maybe "BB(27)" refers to that running time. OK you know how to correct my plan. |
| 2025-04-22 02:56:30 +0200 | <EvanR> | 27 isn't that many states |
| 2025-04-22 02:56:52 +0200 | <EvanR> | but I'm guessing we don't know the machine |
| 2025-04-22 02:57:06 +0200 | <EvanR> | a machine |
| 2025-04-22 02:57:15 +0200 | <EvanR> | a busy beaver |
| 2025-04-22 02:57:40 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah I believe we only know up to 6. |
| 2025-04-22 02:58:21 +0200 | tt12310978324354 | (~tt1231@syn-075-185-104-199.res.spectrum.com) (The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
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| 2025-04-22 03:22:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> so, should i finish figuring out how to set up login on my server, or should I play with Miso to set up a Zhuangzi.io host, using the Burt Watson translation? |
| 2025-04-22 03:22:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 03:23:28 +0200 | <EvanR> | who |
| 2025-04-22 03:24:42 +0200 | harveypwca | (~harveypwc@2601:246:d080:f6e0:27d6:8cc7:eca9:c46c) |
| 2025-04-22 03:25:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> some dead philosopher, fond of jokes, paradox, and contradiction |
| 2025-04-22 03:26:14 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> was recently surprised the only free online repo is on ctext.org, using an ancient translation |
| 2025-04-22 03:26:35 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> Zhuangzi: Was I a butterfly dreaming that I am Zhuang Zhou, or am I Zhang Zhou dreaming that I am a butterfly? |
| 2025-04-22 03:26:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 03:27:23 +0200 | abrar_ | (~abrar@static-96-245-187-163.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 03:27:48 +0200 | abrar | (~abrar@static-96-245-187-163.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-04-22 03:29:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> it's more about learning miso, in a low-risk project |
| 2025-04-22 03:29:45 +0200 | <EvanR> | 庄子 |
| 2025-04-22 03:30:44 +0200 | <EvanR> | or 莊子 |
| 2025-04-22 03:31:47 +0200 | <EvanR> | how about a dose of "before covid" times https://ro-che.info/ccc/9 |
| 2025-04-22 03:35:58 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't understand why setting up login requires a translation of a Chinese philosophy text. |
| 2025-04-22 03:36:30 +0200 | <monochrom> | Unless you just mean "how do I make the server allow a book-length password" |
| 2025-04-22 03:37:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> by setting up login, i mean having a page and sql backend that can allow user accounts to log in |
| 2025-04-22 03:37:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i only have it set up so far that user accounts can be created, an activation e-mail can be sent, and that e-mail contains a link to a key which is checked against a table to turn the account to "activated" |
| 2025-04-22 03:38:53 +0200 | <monochrom> | There is actually a Japanese manga that has scene coming close to that. The password requires a pair of twins synchronously read alout a few verses from Ecclesiastes in the Bible. |
| 2025-04-22 03:39:54 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 03:43:00 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i'm still shocked the chinese haven't gone to diceware with randomly generated tang-dynasties poetry operating as passwords |
| 2025-04-22 03:43:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> 41 bits of entropy per line? |
| 2025-04-22 03:44:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 03:44:51 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> the problem is, you'd need to learn cangjie or wubi or some other code-based character input method to actually be able to input such a password efficiently |
| 2025-04-22 03:54:16 +0200 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:1700:69cf:9000:887e:630e:324f:f9fb) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-04-22 03:55:40 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 03:56:30 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> apparently there have been some papers on the entropy of crlassical chinese poetry, it's often memorable; estimates are like 30-35 bits |
| 2025-04-22 03:57:27 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> per line, so 4 line poem would translate to 128 bit, 8 line 256 bit, but you'd have to understand systems of character input that aren't based on phonetics |
| 2025-04-22 04:00:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 04:01:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | how bits to designate which chinese poem + where to start |
| 2025-04-22 04:01:47 +0200 | <EvanR> | how many |
| 2025-04-22 04:03:26 +0200 | amadaluz- | (~amadaluzi@host86-129-150-130.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: Hi, this is Paul Allen. I'm being called away to London for a few days. Meredith, I'll call you when I get back. Hasta la vista, baby.) |
| 2025-04-22 04:06:18 +0200 | <EvanR> | 16 bits could index into 65k poems + a few bits for the starting position |
| 2025-04-22 04:08:11 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) |
| 2025-04-22 04:10:42 +0200 | <monochrom> | Well, both start and length. Still, barely more than 16 bits. |
| 2025-04-22 04:11:30 +0200 | zmt01 | (~zmt00@user/zmt00) zmt00 |
| 2025-04-22 04:13:04 +0200 | zmt00 | (~zmt00@user/zmt00) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 04:13:18 +0200 | <EvanR> | if I said, you'll never guess my password. It's classic rock lyrics |
| 2025-04-22 04:13:23 +0200 | <EvanR> | I'd be dumb |
| 2025-04-22 04:13:31 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 04:17:58 +0200 | inca | (~inca@pool-96-255-212-224.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-04-22 04:18:12 +0200 | <monochrom> | The real number of bits is, if you think about it, how much the attacker knows about your choice space. People who think well-known literature is secure are thinking that the attacker figures only random sentences of similar length. To some extent it is true, but also to some extent it's just another securty-by-obscurity. |
| 2025-04-22 04:18:30 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-04-22 04:19:01 +0200 | <monochrom> | You are busted as soon as an attacker figures out you're just choosing from well-known literature. That space is so much smaller. |
| 2025-04-22 04:20:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | can you implement my preferred online security |
| 2025-04-22 04:20:20 +0200 | <EvanR> | if you get the password wrong 3 times, it deletes your entire account |
| 2025-04-22 04:20:50 +0200 | <EvanR> | then you also don't have to implement "offboarding" or privacy protection supeona stuff |
| 2025-04-22 04:21:11 +0200 | <monochrom> | I'm trying to think of a cute name for that. :) |
| 2025-04-22 04:21:25 +0200 | <EvanR> | and I would use this feature on at least 10 websites immediately |
| 2025-04-22 04:21:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | security-by-oblivion :) |
| 2025-04-22 04:23:42 +0200 | <monochrom> | I'm going to make up a word to increase rhyming. security-by-oblitery |
| 2025-04-22 04:26:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | You will get your accounts deleting in no time. |
| 2025-04-22 04:26:39 +0200 | <monochrom> | s/deleting/deleted/ |
| 2025-04-22 04:26:47 +0200 | arkeet | (~arkeet@moriya.ca) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2025-04-22 04:27:44 +0200 | <monochrom> | I instead would accept just locking my account waiting for me to take action instead. which most of the industry agrees. |
| 2025-04-22 04:28:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | Over the past 10 years I actually got my credit card locked twice, each time for what the bank's ANN considered an unusal transaction. |
| 2025-04-22 04:29:32 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-04-22 04:29:36 +0200 | <monochrom> | (Phoned up the bank and/or show ID at bank in person, and confirm the transactions, to unlock) |
| 2025-04-22 04:30:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | huh. mine just declines the transaction and asks me for confirmation, after which I have to tell the vendor to retry it |
| 2025-04-22 04:30:43 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah mine was locked, i.e., no further transactions, even unrelated. |
| 2025-04-22 04:31:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | I be damned if they completely cancelled the credit card account altogather. Unless, of course, it also means my whole month's debt is also forgiven. >:) |
| 2025-04-22 04:33:38 +0200 | <monochrom> | (One time it was boxing week so yeah would be accepting if my boxing week shopping up to that point were free haha.) |
| 2025-04-22 04:33:49 +0200 | <monochrom> | s/accepting/acceptable/ |
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| 2025-04-22 07:51:55 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> monochrom: I mean randomly generated poetry |
| 2025-04-22 07:51:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> it's been done stateside |
| 2025-04-22 07:52:20 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://magazine.viterbi.usc.edu/fall-2015/whats-next/password-poetry/ |
| 2025-04-22 07:52:54 +0200 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:1700:69cf:9000:887e:630e:324f:f9fb) |
| 2025-04-22 07:52:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> it just comes to mind cuz |
| 2025-04-22 07:53:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://bendolnick.substack.com/p/cixin-liu-cloud-of-poems |
| 2025-04-22 07:54:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> "earth is conquered by dinosaurs. Then dinosaurs meet even more advanced species, true aliens this time, who take an interest in human poetry and decide to brute force attack the problem of poetry and use the solar system as a storage medium for their generated poems" |
| 2025-04-22 07:54:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> surprisingly, i see a lot of diceware, but not a lot of poetryware, simply because the latter requires NLP chops to generate memorable poems |
| 2025-04-22 07:55:54 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://slate.com/technology/2017/07/what-happens-when-an-a-i-program-tries-to-write-poetry.html |
| 2025-04-22 07:55:57 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> this is better coverage |