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| 2026-02-11 00:08:20 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:9882:4750:7270:d878) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-02-11 00:09:48 +0100 | prdak | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
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| 2026-02-11 00:17:14 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine) |
| 2026-02-11 00:17:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-02-11 00:37:44 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
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| 2026-02-11 01:54:18 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@85-156-32-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
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| 2026-02-11 02:45:02 +0100 | socksbuny | (~socks@oberon.raccoon.fun) (Quit: goodbye :)) |
| 2026-02-11 02:47:15 +0100 | socksbuny | (~socks@oberon.raccoon.fun) raccoonasdf |
| 2026-02-11 02:50:06 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@2001:8004:6970:4f3c:c4f4:395a:ec93:7dc) housemate |
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| 2026-02-11 02:59:28 +0100 | mud | (~mud@user/kadoban) (Server closed connection) |
| 2026-02-11 02:59:54 +0100 | mud | (~mud@user/kadoban) kadoban |
| 2026-02-11 02:59:58 +0100 | <s3np41> | Hello i return another question, what are some good resources to read up on FRP? |
| 2026-02-11 03:00:04 +0100 | <s3np41> | with* |
| 2026-02-11 03:00:11 +0100 | socksbuny | (~socks@oberon.raccoon.fun) (Quit: goodbye :)) |
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| 2026-02-11 03:01:05 +0100 | socksbuny | (~socks@oberon.raccoon.fun) raccoonasdf |
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| 2026-02-11 03:04:35 +0100 | DetourNe- | (~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) DetourNetworkUK |
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| 2026-02-11 03:06:48 +0100 | DetourNe- | DetourNetworkUK |
| 2026-02-11 03:07:22 +0100 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@85-156-32-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2026-02-11 03:08:32 +0100 | wickedjargon | (~user@2605:8d80:5431:79f0:cd3e:268a:4cce:8f81) wickedjargon |
| 2026-02-11 03:09:11 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-02-11 03:24:08 +0100 | sudden | (~cat@user/sudden) (Server closed connection) |
| 2026-02-11 03:24:23 +0100 | sudden | (~cat@user/sudden) sudden |
| 2026-02-11 03:25:21 +0100 | <EvanR> | conal's blog is an oldie but goodie |
| 2026-02-11 03:27:14 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-02-11 03:40:21 +0100 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect |
| 2026-02-11 03:42:35 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-02-11 03:43:12 +0100 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-02-11 03:44:14 +0100 | juri_ | (~juri@212.86.50.13) juri_ |
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| 2026-02-11 03:47:20 +0100 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2026-02-11 03:47:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-02-11 03:55:52 +0100 | <jackdk> | s3np41: event-and-behaviour style (e.g., reflex, reactive-banana) or monadic-signal-function style (e.g. rhine)? For the former I found https://github.com/qfpl/reflex-workshop tremendously valuable for getting my hands dirty and getting it into my head (though you might enjoy Conal Elliot's blogs and papers to understand the aspirational denotational model). For the latter, I enjoyed https://github.com/turion/rhine-koans |
| 2026-02-11 03:56:46 +0100 | omidmash | (~omidmash@user/omidmash) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
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| 2026-02-11 05:36:59 +0100 | wickedjargon | (~user@2605:8d80:5431:79f0:cd3e:268a:4cce:8f81) wickedjargon |
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| 2026-02-11 06:48:45 +0100 | <s3np41> | again thanks for the replies |
| 2026-02-11 06:49:03 +0100 | <s3np41> | sorry for the lack of reply i sent that and went off to do other stuff |
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| 2026-02-11 10:57:15 +0100 | <gentauro> | s3np41: Perhaps Evan Czaplicki MSc thesis from Harvard? https://people.seas.harvard.edu/~chong/pubs/pldi13-elm.pdf |
| 2026-02-11 10:58:06 +0100 | <gentauro> | However, I don't know how much of the FRP actually survived in later releases |
| 2026-02-11 11:00:07 +0100 | <gentauro> | s3np41: another good source is Ivan Perez (with a PhD from Nottingham Uni and currently at NASA) https://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/50348/ |
| 2026-02-11 11:00:27 +0100 | <gentauro> | Both Evan and Ivan have transitioned FRP from academia to industry "very" succesfully |
| 2026-02-11 11:00:30 +0100 | <gentauro> | (Y) |
| 2026-02-11 11:03:32 +0100 | <gentauro> | for Ivan lookup "Keera Studios" (gaming in FRP Haskell) and (the GOOD) CoPilot (Haskell FRP for NASA) |
| 2026-02-11 11:05:23 +0100 | <gentauro> | and for Evan, well, just search for Elm ;) (not to be confused with https://gren-lang.org/ xD) |
| 2026-02-11 11:05:59 +0100 | gentauro | https://gren-lang.org/ just copy/pasta ALL of elm-lang and then they did a rename. That's what permissive open source licenses gets you … |
| 2026-02-11 11:09:31 +0100 | bwe | (~bwe@2a01:4f8:1c1c:4878::2) bwe |
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| 2026-02-11 11:21:52 +0100 | <gentauro> | s3np41: my bad, I linked to Evans paper instead of his MSc thesis. Here you go -> https://elm-lang.org/assets/papers/concurrent-frp.pdf |
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| 2026-02-11 11:29:04 +0100 | <ski> | > serExp 0 0 (App (App (Var "a") (Var "b")) (App (Var "c") (Var "d"))) "" |
| 2026-02-11 11:29:06 +0100 | <lambdabot> | "a b (c d)" |
| 2026-02-11 11:29:11 +0100 | <ski> | > serExp 0 0 (App (Abs "a" (App (Var "a") (Var "b"))) (Abs "d" (App (Var "c") (Var "d")))) "" |
| 2026-02-11 11:29:12 +0100 | <lambdabot> | "(\\a. a b) \\d. c d" |
| 2026-02-11 11:29:14 +0100 | <ski> | > serExp 0 0 (App (Abs "a" (App (Var "a") (Abs "b" (Var "b")))) (Abs "c" (App (Var "c") (Abs "d" (Var "d"))))) "" |
| 2026-02-11 11:29:15 +0100 | <lambdabot> | "(\\a. a \\b. b) \\c. c \\d. d" |
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| 2026-02-11 12:20:48 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | controversional BlockArguments printing :p |
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| 2026-02-11 12:30:09 +0100 | <Leary> | Haskell98 printing in a better timeline. |
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| 2026-02-11 12:34:44 +0100 | <ski> | got annoyed at not having `BlockArguments'-style printing of trailing lambda (including inside of an outer bracketting), with a simple standard precedence printer that i used for some examples i was playing around with, so i threw the above together, to see whether my initial hunch for how to do it would work |
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| 2026-02-11 12:36:32 +0100 | <ski> | (i'd first done it in a kludgey way, with the traditional precedences, but it turned out to not work for more complex examples. oh, and yea, i'm pretty sure this should work for mixfix with individual precedences specified for the ends of the constituent lexemes (cf. Annika Aasa's papers on parsing)) |
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| 2026-02-11 12:39:44 +0100 | <bwe> | Why is the second (Megaparsec) parser not being evaluated? `parseMaybe (try (1 <$ "abc") <|> 1 <$ "abcd") "abcd"` -- parseTest is of no help as it moans about ambiguous types. And no, encapsulating each parser with try doesn't help either (assuming the backtracing is the issue). |
| 2026-02-11 12:40:18 +0100 | <bwe> | tomsmeding: Thanks for the recommendation of the fsnotify package (yet to check it out). |
| 2026-02-11 12:40:24 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2026-02-11 12:42:26 +0100 | <Leary> | bwe: Why would it be? The first succeeds. |
| 2026-02-11 12:46:01 +0100 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-54-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-02-11 12:46:31 +0100 | <bwe> | I mean `parseMaybe (try (1 <$ "abc") <|> 1 <$ "abcd") "abcd"` of course. There, the second does not succeed, but I want it to succeed. |
| 2026-02-11 12:47:34 +0100 | <__monty__> | bwe: <|> uses its left argument if it succeeds, so if it does the right argument is never tried. |
| 2026-02-11 12:47:53 +0100 | <__monty__> | In this case I assume you want to flip the argument order basically. |
| 2026-02-11 12:53:21 +0100 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-54-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2026-02-11 12:54:19 +0100 | Enrico63 | (~Enrico63@host-79-22-157-220.retail.telecomitalia.it) Enrico63 |
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| 2026-02-11 12:56:33 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2026-02-11 12:58:10 +0100 | comonad | (~comonad@p200300d02722ae00dce4ce9451b59974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2026-02-11 12:58:36 +0100 | <bwe> | __monty__: But why does it return Nothing, then? (Flipping fixes it for me but I still don't understand the concept.) |
| 2026-02-11 13:00:15 +0100 | <Leary> | bwe: "This function also parses eof, so if the parser doesn't consume all of its input, it will fail." |
| 2026-02-11 13:02:36 +0100 | <bwe> | Leary: So this answers why `parseMaybe` behaves differently than when I combine the parser with others. What's then the right function to (unit) test parser combinator segments? |
| 2026-02-11 13:03:15 +0100 | <merijn> | bwe: I mean, you could just add "<* eof" to each parse before feeding to parseMaybe? :) |
| 2026-02-11 13:03:51 +0100 | <merijn> | i.e.: parseMaybe (foo <* eof) "stuff here" |
| 2026-02-11 13:04:51 +0100 | <Leary> | I think they want the opposite; add `<* takeWhileP (const True)`. |
| 2026-02-11 13:05:03 +0100 | <__monty__> | Or use parseTest and just add the type annotation that it complains about. |
| 2026-02-11 13:06:35 +0100 | <Leary> | `parseTest` seems to be for visual inspection, not automated testing. |
| 2026-02-11 13:13:21 +0100 | <ski> | (seems to me like the failing end of input ought to trigger backtracking, with the `try' present there, no ?) |
| 2026-02-11 13:14:09 +0100 | <Leary> | No, it's outside of the `<|>`. |
| 2026-02-11 13:14:25 +0100 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2026-02-11 13:18:29 +0100 | prdak1 | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
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| 2026-02-11 13:18:34 +0100 | prdak1 | prdak |
| 2026-02-11 13:22:56 +0100 | <ski> | (mm, right. for some reason i was thinking it did the right distributive law, with `try' .. too bad) |
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| 2026-02-11 13:23:56 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2026-02-11 13:24:42 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | bwe: as people have said, thep roblem is that "abc" succeeds, so the left argument to (<|>) succeeds, so the (<|>) as a whole succeeds and that's that. (Mega)parsec does not do arbitrary backtracking: its model is that if a parser fails while having consumed input, it's an error; if a parser fails without consuming input, we backtrack. 'try' wraps its argument to "undo" the input consumption upon |
| 2026-02-11 13:24:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | error. |
| 2026-02-11 13:25:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | The solutions here seem to be swapping the two parsers (in which case the try shouldn't be necessary any more), or augmenting the "abc" parser to explicitly reject a following 'd' |
| 2026-02-11 13:25:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ("abc" >> notFollowedBy "d"), for example |
| 2026-02-11 13:26:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | or ("abc" >> eof), if appropriate |
| 2026-02-11 13:26:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not a fan of this model of "backtracking is an error without consuming input", as it's unintuitive and at times inflexible; I prefer my parser combinators more explicit about backtracking and failure |
| 2026-02-11 13:27:41 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but I also have to be honest that if you make things more explicit, the whole system doesn't necessarily get nicer -- the rule does somehow strike a balance where a lot of cases can be expressed fairly neatly |
| 2026-02-11 13:29:53 +0100 | ski | would like a mode & determinism tracking system that could be used to ensure that you get the intended efficient switching rather than backtracking, when you expect it, without removing the more general case, nor making it less convenient to express |
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| 2026-02-11 13:34:33 +0100 | <ski> | (oh, and it should satisfy the right (and left, upto permutation of solutions) distribution law, and also the law that if `p' parses tokens `s' and `q' parses tokens `t', then `p >> q' ought to parse tokens `s <> t' (so, no `eof' nor `lookAhead')) |
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| 2026-02-11 14:02:45 +0100 | <gentauro> | ski: with `lookAhead` you bind your parser logic to a monadic context right? Isn't it better su rely only on (Selective) Applicative and Functors? |
| 2026-02-11 14:03:29 +0100 | <ski> | well, i said "no [..] `lookAhead'" |
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| 2026-02-11 14:06:04 +0100 | <gentauro> | ski: got it |
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