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2026-04-28 01:02:18 +0000 <janus> did anyone listen to the latest Haskell Interlude? it
2026-04-28 01:02:43 +0000 <janus> they are kinda explaining where MonadComprehensions and TransformLispComp come from
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2026-04-28 01:03:20 +0000 <janus> i just feel like it is so very anachronistic and nostalgic, how can anybody stand it
2026-04-28 01:03:59 +0000 <janus> imagine a college freshman listening to the Interlude, they must feel like Haskell is for dinosaurs :O
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2026-04-28 01:06:25 +0000 <janus> regarding the technical content... i know they are talking to an academic. but to my ears, i can't see the practicality in compiling an imperative program to recursive CTEs using trampolines
2026-04-28 01:06:45 +0000 <janus> am i listening to a code golfing podcast?
2026-04-28 01:07:19 +0000 <janus> somebody, please explain to me how this has any useful application beside code golfing?
2026-04-28 01:08:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> it is hard to handle the intense academic content of the podcast sometimes
2026-04-28 01:08:47 +0000 <janus> we're compiling an imperative program to SQL (declarative style), only for the query planner to compile it back into a series of index lookups? how is this not esoteric?
2026-04-28 01:08:58 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> damnit jim, I'm an engineer not a professor
2026-04-28 01:09:48 +0000 <janus> THANK YOU sm
2026-04-28 01:10:00 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> it's not just the technical content, it's sometimes the long story of academic career, moves, etc blah blah blah :)
2026-04-28 01:10:29 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> and while I'm ranting.. that damn music ! It is so depressing !
2026-04-28 01:11:02 +0000 <janus> hah well that's a question of taste :D
2026-04-28 01:11:10 +0000 <janus> but i am so glad i am not the only one ranting
2026-04-28 01:11:30 +0000 <janus> i do feel like a premise this retrospective is necessarily shaping the culture though
2026-04-28 01:13:04 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I love the podcast. I like hearing the history and especially from the long time researchers. But it could really use more modern practitioner voices for balance
2026-04-28 01:13:26 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> Real World Haskell !
2026-04-28 01:13:54 +0000yin(~zero@user/zero) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2026-04-28 01:14:16 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I love the podcast. I like hearing the history and especially from the long time researchers. But it could really use more practitioner interviews for balance
2026-04-28 01:14:33 +0000 <janus> i like Type Theory Forall a lot, but it is also necessarily academic (just younger academics). so i suppose it is also not the engineer's podcast you're looking for
2026-04-28 01:14:48 +0000 <janus> the one by Jane Street is more practical, i'd say
2026-04-28 01:15:40 +0000 <monochrom> I did not listen to the podcast. I would write declaratively in the first place; if something optimizes it, that's a bonus, but even if not, I'm fine with it. My experience is that declarative code is easier to change than imperative code when requirement changes in the future. And easier to reverse-engineer---hell, declarative is defined to mean nothing to reverse-engineer.
2026-04-28 01:16:30 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-04-28 01:20:27 +0000 <janus> they do mention in the podcast that they want guarantees that you don't avoid n+1 queries. and that did make me think of the Orville db library we use at flipstone, which attempts something similar
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2026-04-28 01:21:01 +0000 <janus> pretty sure rel8 also has an answer to this question
2026-04-28 01:21:10 +0000haskellbridgesm hasn't listened to this episode yet either
2026-04-28 01:22:28 +0000 <janus> would be interesting to hear if you also recognize guarantees like that in practical database libraries... because i am a bit unsure if what is said maps 1:1 to rel8 and such
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2026-04-28 13:16:46 +0000 <pounce> hi, do we still have to ask for account approval on irc
2026-04-28 13:16:53 +0000 <pounce> my accnt sems to have been approved already
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2026-04-28 14:14:00 +0000 <ski> janus : never heard of it before
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2026-04-28 15:29:04 +0000jmcantrell_(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
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2026-04-28 15:36:39 +0000Vizious(~bes@user/Vizious) Vizious
2026-04-28 15:37:50 +0000 <janus> ski: the Haskell Interlude? MonadComprehensions? rel8? Type Theory Forall? Jane Street?
2026-04-28 15:38:33 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:144f:94ac:cf96:df60)
2026-04-28 15:38:52 +0000 <janus> pounce: i've implemented 'vouching' on Hackage, which means you can now get uploader permissions from other uploaders. So that should lessen the need to use chat to speak with admins. But you'll still have to speak with someone of course
2026-04-28 15:42:57 +0000misterfish(~misterfis@84.53.85.146) misterfish
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2026-04-28 15:47:48 +0000Wygulmage(~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) Wygulmage
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2026-04-28 15:51:08 +0000Wygulmage49(~Wygulmage@user/Wygulmage) Wygulmage
2026-04-28 15:51:43 +0000 <ski> er, some podcast ?
2026-04-28 15:51:50 +0000 <ski> (already forgot the name)
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2026-04-28 15:53:54 +0000 <janus> ski: right. The Haskell Interlude. It's the official podcast of the Foundation. Available at https://haskell.foundation/podcast/
2026-04-28 15:54:28 +0000Enrico63(~Enrico63@85.255.235.90) (Quit: Client closed)
2026-04-28 15:56:33 +0000 <Wygulmage49> How do I load a package in lambdabot?
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2026-04-28 15:59:31 +0000 <janus> % :set -package lens
2026-04-28 15:59:31 +0000 <yahb2> cannot satisfy -package lens ; (use -v for more information)
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2026-04-28 16:10:08 +0000 <ski> Wygulmage49 : if you mean here, then no
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2026-04-28 16:10:49 +0000 <pounce> janus: i just needed to make an issue on gitlab, it seems to have worked
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2026-04-28 16:13:51 +0000 <Wygulmage49> ski: Thanks.
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2026-04-28 16:24:42 +0000 <pounce> hmm do i wanna become a ghc contributor
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2026-04-28 17:09:21 +0000 <pounce> has anyone had success using hls on the ghc codebase
2026-04-28 17:10:14 +0000bkani(~bkani@user/bkani) bkani
2026-04-28 17:13:03 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, but I suggest having a LOT of ram
2026-04-28 17:13:21 +0000 <pounce> uhh on this machine i have 32 does that count
2026-04-28 17:13:21 +0000 <geekosaur> I think there are some hints on the wiki
2026-04-28 17:13:24 +0000 <pounce> how much we talkin
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2026-04-28 17:13:40 +0000 <geekosaur> at least 64 I think
2026-04-28 17:13:42 +0000 <pounce> my work machine has 512gb is that enough
2026-04-28 17:13:47 +0000 <pounce> ok w/e i'll do it at work
2026-04-28 17:13:55 +0000 <geekosaur> hls uses a lot of ram anyway, but with a very large codebase like ghc's it uses even more
2026-04-28 17:14:19 +0000 <geekosaur> I have 84 and it was a bit creaky when I last tried it
2026-04-28 17:14:26 +0000 <pounce> oof
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